vancouver = WORST ga lineup organization

Zod

PJ_Soul wrote:

Hey, since it happened closer to you, do you know why two security guys came barging through the pit before the show started??

I didn't see that go down at all.

We did have a girl go down in the pit (Well into the show). She just sat down in the pit and the girl next to me started asking if she was ok. I went to try to get help her up but I couldn't without putting some serious effort into lifing her (which I really don't want to interfere with peoples personal bubbles if I don't have to). The girl next to me started lifting her out and repeated she needed help. I tapped the people ahead of me and it sort of parted like the red sea. We got her up and to security at the front of the rail.

Not sure what happened to her. Hope she's ok.

PJ_Soul

Zod wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

Hey, since it happened closer to you, do you know why two security guys came barging through the pit before the show started??

I didn't see that go down at all.

We did have a girl go down in the pit (Well into the show). She just sat down in the pit and the girl next to me started asking if she was ok. I went to try to get help her up but I couldn't without putting some serious effort into lifing her (which I really don't want to interfere with peoples personal bubbles if I don't have to). The girl next to me started lifting her out and repeated she needed help. I tapped the people ahead of me and it sort of parted like the red sea. We got her up and to security at the front of the rail.

Not sure what happened to her. Hope she's ok.

Oh, duh. I have directional problems, lol. i was right in front of Ed, maybe slightly to the right... so right next you literally (were you with Brent??)! Yes, i saw the girl go down. There was something else to our left that seemed weird.

kc007

dimitrispearljam wrote:

GA and rail is the best way to see this band...no wonder why people get crazy about it..this tambourine excuse is bullshit..i dont give a fuck about picks of harmonica,,...see Mike in front you of playing in the top shit ever..

^^this^^

pumpkinhead

Been to a few shows with ga tickets. Hate to single a group or person out but been seeing the same thing happen over and over at the shows. One person gets to the ga line before dawn and that person writes down names of their buddies. All never to be seen again until right before the show. This is not acceptable but is how GA Is run in Europe.... And the europeans think they can behave in this civil country in this manner. Specifically one Italian who in Portland pushed and shoved me while in ga line when I confronted him and his group leaving GA line for 11 hours expecting at be allowed back in front of the line. Just saying. The GA lines needs direction from ten club before something really bad happens.

mr_perfect

Hey, since it happened closer to you, do you know why two security guys came barging through the pit before the show started??[/quote]

this is what i was referring to about the drunk girl in my review on page 1 in the show review thread... after mudhoneys set, she was barging her way up to us "claiming" she lost her husband. she got behind me saying the guy behind me was her husband. guy was cool and immediately told everyone he wasnt. she kept elbowing me in the back. the people around me tried telling the security guard in front of us but he just laughed it off. after about 10 minutes she moved more towards mikes side and almost started a fight with a lady there...the new security guard that just came then got involved and told her to go back or hed kick her out. she started going back pushing everyone in her path...and then the 2 security guys came through the crowd to find her...

Fat Tam Scoop

I got in line at 9:30 am. Number 54. No one was manning the list, no one gave direction. I just happened to know some people who got there before me. There were maybe 20 people actually present.

I waited all day, in the freezing cold. But guess what? I don't want a trophy or kudos, I wanted a great spot to see Pearl Jam. This was my hometown show, my 3rd GA but the only time I cared to wait.

All day long people came and went and there were people on that list that were not there ALL DAY long (as already established). I called it at 11am...there is going to be a mutiny. The almighty list is an INVENTED THING. We all just followed it for whatever reason! Trying to be fair, trying to maintain order, trying to show respect but it appears The List did the opposite of that. The List was not respected.

I had THREE separate friends come to visit me, offering to hold my place in line so I could go to the bathroom, move my car, etc. But I was like "You don't need to. No one cares!"

To me, a line is a line. It has a beginning and an end. If everyone stayed in line, we wouldn't need a list!!!!! The list was an idea. Not a Pearl Jam issued procedure. And when people rolled up who had no idea what this list was and started to wait for 3 hours and then were told they were at the back, they were pissed! I don't blame them! The 6:20 drama was comical!!!! I literally stood back and said I am not getting involved until it's sorted. And people demanded security to "Do something!" shoving a list written on a notepad at them. If I was security I'd be like, "Are you f**king kidding me?"

This is why the system is flawed: ACTUALLY being present to wait is not respected. An invented list is not a Pearl Jam/10c system. It is an honour system that isn't even honourable!!!! And then it's abandoned on a garbage can, people come up to get in line and see 15 people and think they're at the front.

Make a line. Stay in it. Respect your neighbours and let them go pee and eat and it would have worked. If you want to be "on the rail" show up and be there. It's general admission.

I was also very unimpressed with the huge mess people waiting left. Respect my city. SO rude.

The show was great. My spot was great. I put in my time and I am happy.

Zod

PJ_Soul wrote:

Oh, duh. I have directional problems, lol. i was right in front of Ed, maybe slightly to the right... so right next you literally (were you with Brent??)! Yes, i saw the girl go down. There was something else to our left that seemed weird.

Not sure who Brent is? I took my brother to the show (but he was standing a few people behind me). I'm a pretty big guy and there were only short people in front of me. I probably stood out like a sore thumb (Was wearing a green concert shirt from the commodore show).

I was also pretty much right in front of Eddie (but a bit to the right). I thought I did pretty good. When we gave up on rail we went back to the hotel and had a few beers. Then we decided to go grab some food and get back to the arena for doors. We got out of the elevator at the bottom of the hotel and I walk by this guy who looks really fucking familiar so I do a double take. Next think I know I here myself saying "Hi Mike, I'm Brian!" My brother noticed I stopped to talk to someone and had come back. I wasn't sure what to say, so he decide to point out I'm an uberfan and it was my 21st show. I asked mike if I could get a pic with him, said thanks, shook his hand and took off. I don't really know him, or no what to say, but how do you not introduce yourself. I always wondered what I'd do if I met someone from the band. Now I know... I introduce myself and instantly run out of things to say.

So yah.. I love the number system. When it looked like there were only 20 people in line yesterday I would of gotten in that lineup. When I read it was up to 80 I went back to the hotel. It was karma Still got a good spot showing up at 6:30.

what dreams

CM189191 wrote:

You guys can keep GA. Put me near the soundboard. Every venue sounds best standing next to the guy who is controlling the sound.

^This.

I may be the one and only member who now loves my low priority number. It put me right next to the board at both shows I attended. I hang back by the board at most club shows I attend, and when I get to choose my seats in an arena, I always try for those seats first. I felt like I really did win the lottery once I saw where my seats were for this tour. The video screens are good enough for me. PJ does a great job with their concert film.

Now if anybody wants to get to the rail with no fuss -- go to the festivals. LOL, yes, the festivals. My one and only up-front experience was at Deluna last year. I could have been at the rail but waited about four deep on purpose because the stage was high, and I didn't want to strain my neck all day while watching the other bands. I also didn't want to get smooshed when the wave of people moved in later for PJ, so I stayed back a bit to allow for the forward surge. Funny thing -- one of the seasoned fans I was hanging out with pointed to the rail early in the afternoon to familiarize me with the group of rail monsters she regularly sees at other shows. She warned me to stay away from them because they're vicious.

Austin City was pretty much the same regarding access. Almost the whole crowd cleared out after the Dead Weather to see Ben Harper on another stage, and I could have moved right in to the rail. The mud was so awful, though, and the one remaining patch of grass in the entire park happened to be near the sound tent where I had been all afternoon. That's where I stayed, and that concert ranks as one of my tops.

eddiec

What I think is strange:

There has been a list at every show yet most people were oblivious to it until it started getting mentioned here.

The GA is all 10c so this list thing must have been planned before the 1st show. So why was there no posting about it to inform the other 10 clubbers here about it. I'm not saying it's some underground 10c mafia at work but if it had been discussed beforehand even with some vague guidelines in place I think this would have gone off a lot smoother.

Edit: grammer mistake: not 'have went' but 'had gone'.

dimitrispearljam

eddiec wrote:

What I think is strange:

There has been a list at every show yet most people were oblivious to it until it started getting mentioned here.

The GA is all 10c so this list thing must have been planned before the 1st show. So why was there no posting about it to inform the other 10 clubbers here about it. I'm not saying it's some underground 10c mafia at work but if it had been discussed beforehand even with some vague guidelines in place I think this would have went off a lot smoother.

i agree..but is not something u planned..its easy..europeans was there at the 1st show,that know how it worksd,Americans was there who toured in europe..arrive atthe venue early..start the list;l.thats how it works
and u are right ,i forget to answer u in a previous post,we have the Italian mafia here,who kinda fucks up the line and the list here ,but hey,we know eachother very well here,same people travel from show to show,so isnt easy to get fooled..

eddiec

dimitrispearljam wrote:

i agree..but is not something u planned..its easy..europeans was there at the 1st show,that know how it worksd,Americans was there who toured in europe..arrive atthe venue early..start the list;l.thats how it works
and u are right ,i forget to answer u in a previous post,we have the Italian mafia here,who kinda fucks up the line and the list here ,but hey,we know eachother very well here,same people travel from show to show,so isnt easy to get fooled..

But Dimitris, it has to be planned at some stage. When I'm getting ready for the show I go through my checklist: Tickets-check, money-check, etc. I never say Sharpie Marker-check.

iamgiventofly

kc007 wrote:

Somey wrote:

Dude if you wait you should get the spot you deserve, it's honestly rediculous people don't honor the simple fact that you can not leave the line for hours on in go drink and enjoy ur day while people are freezing than just come back and be like oh well I signed my name at 6 am I left went and slept and hung out, bullshit. I don't know what happen down there but people need to work together on this one. That's the whole point of a community , work together.

And that's what happened at the GA lines I was in. People got their number and left for the day only to come back stinkin drunk and wanting their spots back. <<---- this is the kind of stuff that makes me not want to get so into concerts. Smelly, arrogant, aggressive drunks are a big turn off to attending shows and trying to get a good spot in GA

I honestly don't understand why so many people have to get so drunk before a show. Its sad. Its effin pearl jam, drink after the show. Some people have absolutely no self discipline.

This is exactly how I felt. I arrived, stood for a long good while (hours) .... in the freezing cold before I was even made AWARE of the so called 'list'. At the point in time when I arrived, there were a bunch of empty chairs and only about 20 people milling around in a big empty space in front of the doors.....
I asked what was up...
I was told there was a 'list' ... Alright, sure. Then when I go to sign it , I notice that it's already nearing 100 people in front of me.... while reality of it was there were only a handful of people actually there. I asked the guy who pointed me to the list where these first almost 100 people are. After all, if I'm expected to sign as 100th in line... I'd expect to be standing behind around that number of people - give or take a few that have ran off for a reasonable length of time for a bathroom break etc. I was told at that time, "security told ppl to take their chairs and blankets away - so all of these absences are explained because they took these items to their cars......'
I accepted this at the time and put my name down then I went to the back - leaving a big giant open space for the people I was told just left for a minute. After several more hours of waiting I realized this was a giant lie and buddy was saving face for a large group of people who went to enjoy dinner and drinks at the 'PJ pre-party' before the show. As I watched people filter in closer to 630 with number 20 etc on their hand .... And waltz in front of me all cozy and warm while I had been out there freezing, holding my "'measly' spot was back near 100 - I realized and decided... "no flipping way" ...

Then because I refused to slide back and make room for all these people more entitled then me, came along the bossy blonde lady with glasses who was hollering in my boyfriends face and demanding him to show an 'acceptable number written in marker on his hand' or he was ordered to move single file down a huge set of stairs to his rightful and non deserving space in "the list" ...

You mean to tell me that your initial arrival time will dictate who deserves to be closest to the band? That's a joke and we are GROWN adults. Just to come at 6 am and fill out a list then force people to abide by it who had no input in this alleged 'honour system', is embarrassing. I'm a 10 club member who brought my boyfriend who loves the band too but isn't that intense. To have him see that this is how it goes down... I was actually embarrassed. I couldn't believe that the fan group I'm a part of - was acting so childish, and DISRESPECTFUL. I've never had good enough luck to be all that close to the stage - I was excited for GA so I could have that chance!!! And I wasted hours in an 'empty' line of imaginary people - to do just that. Then my boyfriend and I had our faces screamed in, because I wasn't willing to just move aside for people coming in droves from a party to their fucked up - self determined "rightful" spot in line.

Question: does anyone involved in this have a clue what the band you love so much would think about those actions? Cause I'm pretty sure I can make a guess. They would think that trying to enforce such a blatantly unfair and elite 'list' system like that is absolute bull shit. I believe that's why GA was re-introduced in the first place..... The seniority hungry people are getting ridiculous, and maybe they should watch the show from any other place in the arena like I've always done and always lovvvvved just being in that room regardless because I can recognize I'm fortunate enough to be there in the first place....

Van GA line up was a horrible and toxic experience and I hope something is done so that garbage like this doesn't keep happening.
I got dirty looks by almost all the people around me when I arrived to my spot in the pit - because of my so called "place cutting". Why were people so preoccupied with spots rather then just enjoying the show?

I have to say that was the most ridiculous thing I have ever witnessed by adults. These hard cores need to chill out, grow up and don't try to inject control where it's not fair to do so....

It's GA... That Stands for GENERAL ADMISSION... Therefore we all have an equal shot at front row.

.thats all

dimitrispearljam

eddiec wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

i agree..but is not something u planned..its easy..europeans was there at the 1st show,that know how it worksd,Americans was there who toured in europe..arrive atthe venue early..start the list;l.thats how it works
and u are right ,i forget to answer u in a previous post,we have the Italian mafia here,who kinda fucks up the line and the list here ,but hey,we know eachother very well here,same people travel from show to show,so isnt easy to get fooled..

But Dimitris, it has to be planned at some stage. When I'm getting ready for the show I go through my checklist: Tickets-check, money-check, etc. I never say Sharpie Marker-check.

well,others are,chairs check,sleeping bag check,marker check(if u see a band member to sign shit for u) flag check,signs with request check,same shirt eddie notice me yesterday check,etc..
and really,if u want the rail and arrive 1st at the venue,u for real will want to "prove" that u was there 1st..
its how it works..+ some thinks show dedication this whole.,.
you know,,being a fanatic fan of something make u do crazy things that to others seems not make sense..
from the moment things are safe,im ok with all this shit

High Fidelity 2000

iamgiventofly wrote:

kc007 wrote:

Somey wrote:

Dude if you wait you should get the spot you deserve, it's honestly rediculous people don't honor the simple fact that you can not leave the line for hours on in go drink and enjoy ur day while people are freezing than just come back and be like oh well I signed my name at 6 am I left went and slept and hung out, bullshit. I don't know what happen down there but people need to work together on this one. That's the whole point of a community , work together.

And that's what happened at the GA lines I was in. People got their number and left for the day only to come back stinkin drunk and wanting their spots back. <<---- this is the kind of stuff that makes me not want to get so into concerts. Smelly, arrogant, aggressive drunks are a big turn off to attending shows and trying to get a good spot in GA

I honestly don't understand why so many people have to get so drunk before a show. Its sad. Its effin pearl jam, drink after the show. Some people have absolutely no self discipline.

This is exactly how I felt. I arrived, stood for a long good while (hours) .... in the freezing cold before I was even made AWARE of the so called 'list'. At the point in time when I arrived, there were a bunch of empty chairs and only about 20 people milling around in a big empty space in front of the doors.....
I asked what was up...
I was told there was a 'list' ... Alright, sure. Then when I go to sign it , I notice that it's already nearing 100 people in front of me.... while reality of it was there were only a handful of people actually there. I asked the guy who pointed me to the list where these first almost 100 people are. After all, if I'm expected to sign as 100th in line... I'd expect to be standing behind around that number of people - give or take a few that have ran off for a reasonable length of time for a bathroom break etc. I was told at that time, "security told ppl to take their chairs and blankets away - so all of these absences are explained because they took these items to their cars......'
I accepted this at the time and put my name down then I went to the back - leaving a big giant open space for the people I was told just left for a minute. After several more hours of waiting I realized this was a giant lie and buddy was saving face for a large group of people who went to enjoy dinner and drinks at the 'PJ pre-party' before the show. As I watched people filter in closer to 630 with number 20 etc on their hand .... And waltz in front of me all cozy and warm while I had been out there freezing, holding my "'measly' spot was back near 100 - I realized and decided... "no flipping way" ...

Then because I refused to slide back and make room for all these people more entitled then me, came along the bossy blonde lady with glasses who was hollering in my boyfriends face and demanding him to show an 'acceptable number written in marker on his hand' or he was ordered to move single file down a huge set of stairs to his rightful and non deserving space in "the list" ...

You mean to tell me that your initial arrival time will dictate who deserves to be closest to the band? That's a joke and we are GROWN adults. Just to come at 6 am and fill out a list then force people to abide by it who had no input in this alleged 'honour system', is embarrassing. I'm a 10 club member who brought my boyfriend who loves the band too but isn't that intense. To have him see that this is how it goes down... I was actually embarrassed. I couldn't believe that the fan group I'm a part of - was acting so childish, and DISRESPECTFUL. I've never had good enough luck to be all that close to the stage - I was excited for GA so I could have that chance!!! And I wasted hours in an 'empty' line of imaginary people - to do just that. Then my boyfriend and I had our faces screamed in, because I wasn't willing to just move aside for people coming in droves from a party to their fucked up - self determined "rightful" spot in line.

Question: does anyone involved in this have a clue what the band you love so much would think about those actions? Cause I'm pretty sure I can make a guess. They would think that trying to enforce such a blatantly unfair and elite 'list' system like that is absolute bull shit. I believe that's why GA was re-introduced in the first place..... The seniority hungry people are getting ridiculous, and maybe they should watch the show from any other place in the arena like I've always done and always lovvvvved just being in that room regardless because I can recognize I'm fortunate enough to be there in the first place....

Van GA line up was a horrible and toxic experience and I hope something is done so that garbage like this doesn't keep happening.
I got dirty looks by almost all the people around me when I arrived to my spot in the pit - because of my so called "place cutting". Why were people so preoccupied with spots rather then just enjoying the show?

I have to say that was the most ridiculous thing I have ever witnessed by adults. These hard cores need to chill out, grow up and don't try to inject control where it's not fair to do so....

It's GA... That Stands for GENERAL ADMISSION... Therefore we all have an equal shot at front row.

.thats all

Sounds like a bunch of bullshit.

Again, the pre tour email for the ticket drawings said "Because the entire GA area is allocated for fan club members, early entry is not necessary."

How embarrassing.

what dreams

PJ_Soul wrote:

Hey, guess what? The ONLY person who got up to the rail after the start of the show was a man with a two or three year old on his shoulders! He went up and the crowd parted like the Red Sea for him

OilersRmylife

The show seriously kicked ass! Was GA about 8 rows (of people) back, dead center. Got there at about 7:45pm. Damn that was a good time!

High Fidelity 2000

smanchac1 wrote:

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

If I ever get GA tickets, I'm finding a nice cozy spot in the BACK of GA, leaning against the rail, dead-center with a completely unobstructed view, far from you people in the front.

Did that just last night!!

I moved back after about the first hour in Phoenix and was probably 10-12 people from the front. I just figured I could see better from the side and had more room to move... and I was right. Didn't want GA anyway, put reserved as my first choice GA as second... Phoenix was not a big GA draw. It was still a blast. You don't NEED to "get the rail." Enjoy the show and enjoy your life.

High Fidelity 2000

OilersRmylife wrote:

The show seriously kicked ass! Was GA about 8 rows (of people) back, dead center. Got there at about 7:45pm. Damn that was a good time!

Sounds about right. Get there shortly before the show starts and you still get a "good" spot. And you didn't waste the previous 12 hours of your life with a sharpie number on your hand.

tennismom

rival. wrote:

actually, i hope they keep GA.

all you animals will still put it as your first preference during the 10c lottery sale, i will put reserved seating as my first preference and be pretty much guaranteed tickets, great seating side stage, and i will be able to walk into the venue at 8pm headache and confrontation free and without dealing with the nut jobs holding a notebook and a black sharpie

This!! I went to LA1 and had Arena Riser seats just to the left behind the sound board. They were great seats aside from the assholes that came drunk off their asses and proceeded to spill their drinks within two minutes of showing up. And he did it again later. Both my sister and I ended up standing on the reeking wet area all night. Couldn't even get into the songs too much for fear of slipping and falling. As much as I would love to be super close, I will always forgo it to have less hassle. Plus I hate not being able to sit at least for a minute or two here or there throughout the show.

Mamasan Bren

Fat Tam Scoop wrote:

I got in line at 9:30 am. Number 54. No one was manning the list, no one gave direction. I just happened to know some people who got there before me. There were maybe 20 people actually present.

I waited all day, in the freezing cold. But guess what? I don't want a trophy or kudos, I wanted a great spot to see Pearl Jam. This was my hometown show, my 3rd GA but the only time I cared to wait.

All day long people came and went and there were people on that list that were not there ALL DAY long (as already established). I called it at 11am...there is going to be a mutiny. The almighty list is an INVENTED THING. We all just followed it for whatever reason! Trying to be fair, trying to maintain order, trying to show respect but it appears The List did the opposite of that. The List was not respected.

I had THREE separate friends come to visit me, offering to hold my place in line so I could go to the bathroom, move my car, etc. But I was like "You don't need to. No one cares!"

To me, a line is a line. It has a beginning and an end. If everyone stayed in line, we wouldn't need a list!!!!! The list was an idea. Not a Pearl Jam issued procedure. And when people rolled up who had no idea what this list was and started to wait for 3 hours and then were told they were at the back, they were pissed! I don't blame them! The 6:20 drama was comical!!!! I literally stood back and said I am not getting involved until it's sorted. And people demanded security to "Do something!" shoving a list written on a notepad at them. If I was security I'd be like, "Are you f**king kidding me?"

This is why the system is flawed: ACTUALLY being present to wait is not respected. An invented list is not a Pearl Jam/10c system. It is an honour system that isn't even honourable!!!! And then it's abandoned on a garbage can, people come up to get in line and see 15 people and think they're at the front.

Make a line. Stay in it. Respect your neighbours and let them go pee and eat and it would have worked. If you want to be "on the rail" show up and be there. It's general admission.

I was also very unimpressed with the huge mess people waiting left. Respect my city. SO rude.

The show was great. My spot was great. I put in my time and I am happy.

Sucks. Sorry for your experience. viewtopic.php?f=4&t=209312 written June 13 this year. Still happened last night to you.