Well fuck, what is the new Benny record set now?

2-feign-reluctance

*Edit
Benny is still the new Benny apparently.
That an PlayStation 5s, 20 bottles of champagne & a whole lotta Dave Matthews vinyl.

SS9981

Not to mention LB "red" vinyl, unless it end's up in shop.

2-feign-reluctance

45s are pretty cool, but this is outrageous!

CAVSTARR313

Is Tigertown Detroit?

klusterfuk

SS9981 wrote:

Not to mention LB "red" vinyl, unless it end's up in shop.

Red?

mfc2006

Caveeze wrote:

Is Tigertown Detroit?

It's Columbia, MO.

Rock Chalk!

Leezestarr313

Does that mean the Benny will get more affordable? :shifty:

KC2917

Here's a short dissertation on the subject:
There will never be another Benny and here's why... What makes it what it is is that it was released before vinyl was "cool" or trendy. It didn't sell out immediately and didn't really get to the value it has today until five years ago or so. Now whenever something gets released, i.e. vault 3, everyone buys it with the expectation of being the next "holy grail." That creates an initial buying frenzy on eBay, fueled by hope and speculation, but eventually calms down when people realize there are either more copies than they thought (or hoped) or that it's actually not that sought after, or both. It's all a big catch 22. Look at the colored PJ20 vinyl. Only 500 exist, but it sells for the same price, give or take, as a Benny. It's also way harder to find. If people actually valued records on their rarity, it should go for considerably more, right? The difference to me is that the phenomenon of Benaroya Hall happened organically, with no expectations. That will never be recreated as long as people are looking for it to.

That's just my take on it.

scratched vinyl

KC2917 wrote:

Here's a short dissertation on the subject:
There will never be another Benny and here's why... What makes it what it is is that it was released before vinyl was "cool" or trendy. It didn't sell out immediately and didn't really get to the value it has today until five years ago or so. Now whenever something gets released, i.e. vault 3, everyone buys it with the expectation of being the next "holy grail." That creates an initial buying frenzy on eBay, fueled by hope and speculation, but eventually calms down when people realize there are either more copies than they thought (or hoped) or that it's actually not that sought after, or both. It's all a big catch 22. Look at the colored PJ20 vinyl. Only 500 exist, but it sells for the same price, give or take, as a Benny. It's also way harder to find. If people actually valued records on their rarity, it should go for considerably more, right? The difference to me is that the phenomenon of Benaroya Hall happened organically, with no expectations. That will never be recreated as long as people are looking for it to.

That's just my take on it.

Also, the Benny show was a unique event in itself. It was an isolated acoustic show in their home town, which made it a special event already. Then they released the vinyl to celebrate the night, with numbered, limited pressings. A huge amount of people found out about Benny years after it was sold out, adding to the value.
That's way cooler than a soundtrack, a greatest hits compilation, or even a selected normal show from a previous tour. This sevens thing will for sure settle down once people realize it's an annoying version of a studio record, limited edition or not, it still contains the exact same versions of songs from a studio album, just in a much less practical format.

KC2917

Agreed. This happens every time. The people who get the new release always seem to try to self-hype whatever it is they got, and many people who didn't get it buy into that hype, thinking they need to buy it on ebay as soon as they can out of fear of missing out on owning it completely. With a few exceptions like the colored fixers, what always seems to happen is the market ends up regulating itself, demand drops, and prices go down.

pantelis79

I don't think that the Benny didn't sell out quickly. I remember trying to buy it when it came out and I couldn't even access the online shop because of the traffic.

2-feign-reluctance

KC2917 wrote:

Agreed. This happens every time. The people who get the new release always seem to try to self-hype whatever it is they got, and many people who didn't get it buy into that hype, thinking they need to buy it on ebay as soon as they can out of fear of missing out on owning it completely. With a few exceptions like the colored fixers, what always seems to happen is the market ends up regulating itself, demand drops, and prices go down.

Looks like Benny is still Benny & Sevens are just numbers.

SVRDhand13

pantelis79 wrote:

I don't think that the Benny didn't sell out quickly. I remember trying to buy it when it came out and I couldn't even access the online shop because of the traffic.

You are right. But vinyl is so much more popular now compared to 2004.

Zod

pantelis79 wrote:

I don't think that the Benny didn't sell out quickly. I remember trying to buy it when it came out and I couldn't even access the online shop because of the traffic.

I had the same problem and was able to log back in the next day and order it. It'd didn't sell out right away but it did sell out in less than 2 days.

I agree with the other poster. Vinyl was almost at its bottom when Benaroya came out. If PJ came out with a new live vault album and said theres only 2000 copies.. it'd probably sell out in hours instead of days. 2000 seemed like a decently sized pressing in 2004(?). Now it seems pretty small. Most limited editions for RSD or MOV coloured releases are 4000 to 5000 copies.

Benaroya does have the benefit off attracting both collectors and vinyl lovers.

I imagine the sevens boxset (if pressed in really small numbers) will carry a decent value amongst collectors. I still remember baseball cards though. What happens if Vinyl falls back out of favour?

I think the collector side of me wants the sevens boxset more than the vinyl lover part of me. Mostly because my PJ collection seems fairly big and something limited like the sevens boxset seems to leave a hole in it. I guess limited editions are horrible for collections with a little ocd going on

pdalowsky

why does there have to be a next benny? there are already sets that are more valuable than the benny.

Try and find the GITD record set for $1000!!!, and the coloured Pj20 records are still bringing in $900plus.

2-feign-reluctance

pdalowsky wrote:

why does there have to be a next benny? there are already sets that are more valuable than the benny.

Try and find the GITD record set for $1000!!!, and the coloured Pj20 records are still bringing in $900plus.

pdalowsky

hahahaha

ckravitz

pdalowsky wrote:

why does there have to be a next benny? there are already sets that are more valuable than the benny.

Try and find the GITD record set for $1000!!!, and the coloured Pj20 records are still bringing in $900plus.

I'm sure this is a dumb question, but what is GITD?

MayDay10

Zod wrote:

I still remember baseball cards though. What happens if Vinyl falls back out of favour?

cards got saturated when we went from Topps and Fleer basically to 10x the companies. Mass production. Then prices all went up. Then they decided to make things rare, but inflate the price on the front end. So I have to buy a card with Gronkowski's pube ingrained in it for $500 and hope it someday increases in value.

Vinyl also has a function

pdalowsky

ckravitz wrote:

pdalowsky wrote:

why does there have to be a next benny? there are already sets that are more valuable than the benny.

Try and find the GITD record set for $1000!!!, and the coloured Pj20 records are still bringing in $900plus.

I'm sure this is a dumb question, but what is GITD?

http://www.pjcollectors.com/detail.asp?id=2083

leach7

ckravitz

pdalowsky wrote:

ckravitz wrote:

pdalowsky wrote:

why does there have to be a next benny? there are already sets that are more valuable than the benny.

Try and find the GITD record set for $1000!!!, and the coloured Pj20 records are still bringing in $900plus.

I'm sure this is a dumb question, but what is GITD?

http://www.pjcollectors.com/detail.asp?id=2083

Wow, 100 total. Ha, looks like I can just pretend I never found out what GITD meant as I am certain I will never see one!

PJ51390

MayDay10 wrote:

Zod wrote:

I still remember baseball cards though. What happens if Vinyl falls back out of favour?

cards got saturated when we went from Topps and Fleer basically to 10x the companies. Mass production. Then prices all went up. Then they decided to make things rare, but inflate the price on the front end. So I have to buy a card with Gronkowski's pube ingrained in it for $500 and hope it someday increases in value.

Vinyl also has a function

DAMNIT! I thought the one with his spit on it was the $500 one, I had no idea they released a set with his pubes. Damn football cards...I give up.

javis el errante

KC2917 wrote:

Here's a short dissertation on the subject:
There will never be another Benny and here's why... What makes it what it is is that it was released before vinyl was "cool" or trendy. It didn't sell out immediately and didn't really get to the value it has today until five years ago or so. Now whenever something gets released, i.e. vault 3, everyone buys it with the expectation of being the next "holy grail." That creates an initial buying frenzy on eBay, fueled by hope and speculation, but eventually calms down when people realize there are either more copies than they thought (or hoped) or that it's actually not that sought after, or both. It's all a big catch 22. Look at the colored PJ20 vinyl. Only 500 exist, but it sells for the same price, give or take, as a Benny. It's also way harder to find. If people actually valued records on their rarity, it should go for considerably more, right? The difference to me is that the phenomenon of Benaroya Hall happened organically, with no expectations. That will never be recreated as long as people are looking for it to.

That's just my take on it.

I agree, if there's a way of pushing Vault 3 or PJ20 colored vinyl or PJ20 BR 3-disc set towards the Benny status, it only will make Benny more valuable...

And I just want to add that yesterday I spun vault 3 at maximun volume and I'm still looking up for words in the dictionary to describe those sensations, today I'm spinning Drop In The Park, tomorrow Orpheum...

chinobaeza

pdalowsky wrote:

why does there have to be a next benny? there are already sets that are more valuable than the benny.

Try and find the GITD record set for $1000!!!, and the coloured Pj20 records are still bringing in $900plus.

sorry guys, but what does GITD stand for?

KC2917

Glow in the dark

scurtis

If the red LBs don't end up in the shop, I bet they will go around the same as a coloured PJ20.

Of course they will all be opened (since as of now it's a surprise if you get one), so maybe less.

But there won't be another "benny" because it was sold in a different time, vinyl and collecting vinyl is so much more popular now, and these collector items come out all the time, so there will always be a "next one".

Right now Sevens is getting buzz, it'll be something else in a few months.

Zod

for the the coloured pj20, backspacer, and lightning bolt are less attractive, because the counterparts are identical except for the the colour of the vinyl.

The sevens set while containing the music is entirely different artwork, all 45's, and brand new packaging. As I pretty much own most pearl jam 45's (not every version, but at least 1 version of every single 45 released), it burns up in side that theres some out there I won't have.. lol.

So I seem content not having a tricoloured pj20, white backspacer, or red lightning bolt, but it bugs the fuck out of me to not have the sevens set.. lol

If anyone else feels like me.. that set will totally skyrocket in value.

juddboz80

Zod wrote:

for the the coloured pj20, backspacer, and lightning bolt are less attractive, because the counterparts are identical except for the the colour of the vinyl.

The sevens set while containing the music is entirely different artwork, all 45's, and brand new packaging. As I pretty much own most pearl jam 45's (not every version, but at least 1 version of every single 45 released), it burns up in side that theres some out there I won't have.. lol.

So I seem content not having a tricoloured pj20, white backspacer, or red lightning bolt, but it bugs the fuck out of me to not have the sevens set.. lol

If anyone else feels like me.. that set will totally skyrocket in value.

If no more sevens sets are for sale somewhere then these will skyrocket! And I doubt the sell any more, I just hope they are colored

buck502000

I'll trade my sevens for a car or motorcycle.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

buck502000 wrote:

I'll trade my sevens for a car or motorcycle.