So the rich don't pay their fair share?

Prince Of Dorkness

hedonist wrote:

I hear you, somewhat, though aren't WE are the system?

I think many of those who are stinking rich do much that's worthwhile and charitable - of their own accord. It's really not a rarity, either. I don't know, maybe it's perception?

But yes, we all are fortunate to be able to speak our minds, freely. And to give (or not) a shit or two

Tell me... Other than making sure women get more sex than they wanted, what charitable things does Kobe Bryant do?

moretonbayfig

Tax breaks and refunds are 'welfare' too - the wealthy have the freedom to avoid paying taxes, the working poor (and even the lower middle classes) don't.

polaris_x

inside job ... the documentary ... anyone else watch this? ... every time i read the plight of the rich in america i just wanna :fp:

hedonist

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

hedonist wrote:

I hear you, somewhat, though aren't WE are the system?

I think many of those who are stinking rich do much that's worthwhile and charitable - of their own accord. It's really not a rarity, either. I don't know, maybe it's perception?

But yes, we all are fortunate to be able to speak our minds, freely. And to give (or not) a shit or two

Tell me... Other than making sure women get more sex than they wanted, what charitable things does Kobe Bryant do?

I don't know the man personally. Googled a bit though. I imagine one could find additional information if they're so inclined.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/1 ... 45364.html
http://www.looktothestars.org/celebrity/kobe-bryant

unsung

brianlux wrote:

I think we are fortunate in that because we live in a society that allows people to make more money than they could ever possibly need

Who determines how much anyone 'needs'? That thought alone is what is wrong with this country. It's nobody else's business telling another that they don't need more money. So should we require him to give away anything over a certain amount? Where does that money then go? To others that have more of a 'need'? Do the same people make that decision?

know1

I would gladly give 14 Million away of my 24 Million.....but I wouldn't be happy about forcibly giving it to a corrupt, wasteful, irresponsible government who will do very little good with it other than feed it's own bureaucracy.

I'd love to give it to people who actually need and might even deserve it. Our government is neither of those things.

brianlux

unsung wrote:

brianlux wrote:

I think we are fortunate in that because we live in a society that allows people to make more money than they could ever possibly need

Who determines how much anyone 'needs'?

In this case, I do because my logical brain tells me that many millions of dollars is more than anyone needs. Sorry is this sounds like goofy logic.

unsung wrote:

That thought alone is what is wrong with this country.

My single thought is what is wrong with this country? Whoa! Well fuck me then!

unsung wrote:

It's nobody else's business telling another that they don't need more money.

I make it my business to express what I believe. The problem is, people don't always listen. Oh well.

unsung wrote:

So should we require him to give away anything over a certain amount?

Unless you are completely against taxation, yes.

unsung wrote:

Where does that money then go? To others that have more of a 'need'? Do the same people make that decision?

Answers to the last three: It goes to the IRS. Most people needs that money more than Koby. We the people.

Godfather.

WAHOOOOOOOO...yes we need taxes but really 57% ??????? is it our fault the government we have can't even ballance a check book or have any feeling for the people that work their ass's off to pay these taxes.....AND most of you people say that this country is the land opertunity for the world to come and live here as they wish and and become successful....what only for OUR government to fuck us to death ? really...if I earn $14M the government thinks they are entileted to 57%...by the way who is the dumb shit that sets the tax percentage for OUR (worked for) income ?
we all know who takes it and spends it.....

Godfather.

unsung

brianlux wrote:

unsung wrote:

brianlux wrote:

I think we are fortunate in that because we live in a society that allows people to make more money than they could ever possibly need

Who determines how much anyone 'needs'?

In this case, I do because my logical brain tells me that many millions of dollars is more than anyone needs. Sorry is this sounds like goofy logic.

unsung wrote:

That thought alone is what is wrong with this country.

My single thought is what is wrong with this country? Whoa! Well fuck me then!

unsung wrote:

It's nobody else's business telling another that they don't need more money.

I make it my business to express what I believe. The problem is, people don't always listen. Oh well.

unsung wrote:

So should we require him to give away anything over a certain amount?

Unless you are completely against taxation, yes.

unsung wrote:

Where does that money then go? To others that have more of a 'need'? Do the same people make that decision?

Answers to the last three: It goes to the IRS. Most people needs that money more than Koby. We the people.

Reserving this place for a reply when I get to my computer.

Cosmo

know1 wrote:

I would gladly give 14 Million away of my 24 Million.....but I wouldn't be happy about forcibly giving it to a corrupt, wasteful, irresponsible government who will do very little good with it other than feed it's own bureaucracy.

I'd love to give it to people who actually need and might even deserve it. Our government is neither of those things.

...
Can that already be done? Any Tax Attorneys online?
Can you figure out what your tax liability is going to be and give that amount away to the charities of your choosing... then, reconcile the amount on your tax filing and receive that amount in the form of a refund?
Can that be done?

know1

Cosmo wrote:

know1 wrote:

I would gladly give 14 Million away of my 24 Million.....but I wouldn't be happy about forcibly giving it to a corrupt, wasteful, irresponsible government who will do very little good with it other than feed it's own bureaucracy.

I'd love to give it to people who actually need and might even deserve it. Our government is neither of those things.

...
Can that already be done? Any Tax Attorneys online?
Can you figure out what your tax liability is going to be and give that amount away to the charities of your choosing... then, reconcile the amount on your tax filing and receive that amount in the form of a refund?
Can that be done?

I think the issue is you aren't refunded 100% of what you donate. I think in my case it's more like 30% of what I give to charity is refunded. In Kobe's case, I'm assuming he'd get back even less.

But I'd absolutely love to be able to give to the charities of my choice and have that same amount reduced from my tax liability. I would have no problem with that whatsoever. In fact, I'd likely stop complaining about the government if that were the case.

It never will be, though...

mickeyrat

ok, so at present Gov both Fed State and local are due 14 mil? Now , lets just see what happens when his accountants get done with his return.

See, there is a difference between what the "on paper before anyone does their magic in theory" liability is and what is actually paid.

Per diem for away games or other time away from home for business.
Other expenses related to such travel that is his responsibility to pay up front.
Charitable donations
Mortgage interest deduction.
On and On and On and On........



I'm not crying for Kobe.