So the rich don't pay their fair share?

unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    I weep for him
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    that's called rape and the government fucks you hard and if you don't allow yourself to be a victim you will be arrested and your life left pennyless, that's just how it's done and nobody has a choice other than to leave the country.


    Godfather.
  • JTHJTH Posts: 3,238
    Godfather. wrote:
    that's called rape and the government fucks you hard and if you don't allow yourself to be a victim you will be arrested and your life left pennyless, that's just how it's done and nobody has a choice other than to leave the country.


    Godfather.
    Kobe should demand a trade to the Cayman Islands.
  • ajedigeckoajedigecko Posts: 2,430
    Is this why lebron went to florida?

    And why dwight went to texas?
    live and let live...unless it violates the pearligious doctrine.
  • no wonder so many celebrities get nailed for tax evasion. I wouldn't give up $14 million either.
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  • PingfahPingfah Posts: 350
    Godfather. wrote:
    that's called rape

    It's really nothing like rape. Ask Kobe, he knows all about that.
  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    Godfather. wrote:
    that's called rape and the government fucks you hard and if you don't allow yourself to be a victim you will be arrested and your life left pennyless, that's just how it's done and nobody has a choice other than to leave the country.


    Godfather.

    oh, the drama...
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    ajedigecko wrote:
    Is this why lebron went to florida?

    And why dwight went to texas?
    Lebron left because ... well, let's face it, he was playing in Cleveland. It was only a matter of time before his knee exploded or a grand piano fell on his head.

    Dwight left because Dwight is inmature and has a super ego and couldn't stand playing second fiddle to Black Mamba. I think he left sizable money on the table cause the Lakers could offer a bigger max deal.

    I'm not sure how many pro atheltes actually put much thought and consideration into tax structures and codes. They treat money like a common commodity, much like tap water.
  • Kobe Inc. or Kobe Ltd. and he wouldn't be paying a drop of tax. I think that is what most of the tax paying public rip on.

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  • JOEJOEJOEJOEJOEJOE Posts: 10,513
    Kobe Inc. or Kobe Ltd. and he wouldn't be paying a drop of tax. I think that is what most of the tax paying public rip on.


    If the NBA allowed players to incorporate, as opposed to being employees of thier teams, Kobe would derive moderately more benefit out of his basketball-related expenses. However, he would still end up paying almost the same amount of tax because he'd have to pay himself a salary at the end of the year in order to avoid "personal service corporation" tax. He would also be on the hook for both the employer's and employee's portion of the payroll taxes related to the salary he'd pay himself out of his corporation.

    In regards to playing in Texas or Florida, the players still have to pay tax to the states/cities they play while their team is on the road. The average NBA player must file over 20 state/city tax returns every year!
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Pingfah wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    that's called rape

    It's really nothing like rape. Ask Kobe, he knows all about that.


    :o:o dude I don't know if I should laugh or not but that was some funny stuff !!!!


    Godfather.
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,051
    I can't tell you how many nights I've lost sleep thinking about how tough multimillionaires have it. My god, it must be tough. I just can't imagine.
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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    Caveat: I don't know much about the particulars of how this percentage was calculated or justified...but what if us regular Joes got hit with a 57% rate?

    Why would those who legitimately earn a high salary be scoffed at solely because of that?

    Anyone watch Kobe et al on a regular basis? If anyone feels athletes, entertainers, musicians and the like are overpaid, maybe we shouldn't contribute to their salary. Don't buy into what they offer...don't buy into their sponsors.

    Maybe he's fine with paying it, I don't know. But it strikes me as scary footing to say it's OK - or over-lookable, or even warranted - for some, but not for others.

    I guess it's the principle of it, to me.
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,051
    I think we are fortunate in that because we live in a society that allows people to make more money than they could ever possibly need at least we (still, sort of) have the ability to voice our feelings about that and my feeling is that I don't give two shits about someone making multiple millions of dollars getting taxed a large percentage. If the system allows them to be stinking rich they should have to pay into that system a stinking lot of money.

    I will add this- in some rare cases I find it beneficial for people to be stinking rich when they do wonderfully sweet scented things with their money. Those are rare exceptions. I hope some of my favorite big named artists still think that way though I wonder about that these days.

    As for supporting those artists, entertainers, athletes and the like, people like me should give that a second thought. In fact, I have been contemplating that though quite a bit lately with regard to some of the big name entertainers I've supported, especially when there are great smaller name individuals and groups who equally or better deserve my dollars. The Greenback Illness creeps in very easily sometimes. The ice is getting thin here- I'd better move on.
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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    brianlux wrote:
    I think we are fortunate in that because we live in a society that allows people to make more money than they could ever possibly need at least we (still, sort of) have the ability to voice our feelings about that and my feeling is that I don't give two shits about someone making multiple millions of dollars getting taxed a large percentage. If the system allows them to be stinking rich they should have to pay into that system a stinking lot of money.

    I will add this- in some rare cases I find it beneficial for people to be stinking rich when they do wonderfully sweet scented things with their money. Those are rare exceptions. I hope some of my favorite big named artists still think that way though I wonder about that these days.

    As for supporting those artists, entertainers, athletes and the like, people like me should give that a second thought. In fact, I have been contemplating that though quite a bit lately with regard to some of the big name entertainers I've supported, especially when there are great smaller name individuals and groups who equally or better deserve my dollars. The Greenback Illness creeps in very easily sometimes. The ice is getting thin here- I'd better move on.
    I hear you, somewhat, though aren't WE are the system?

    I think many of those who are stinking rich do much that's worthwhile and charitable - of their own accord. It's really not a rarity, either. I don't know, maybe it's perception?

    But yes, we all are fortunate to be able to speak our minds, freely. And to give (or not) a shit or two ;)
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    Let's temper the hysteria with some additional facts:
    http://www.celebritynetworth.com/riches ... net-worth/

    Kobe has earned more than $200 Million in his salary as a Laker. This does not include any endorsement dollars made.
    His annual salary is about $25 Million per year. This year, his salary is in the form of a lump sum payment. Imagine what your tax liability would be if your employer paid your annual salary in one check. It'd be a lot, right? Just like that check you get at the end of the year that included your annual bonus as well as the week off for Christmas. You take a big hit when you look at the gross payment... minus the deductions and see the net value of the check. Robbery, right?
    ...
    But, don't you reconcile the difference when you file your taxes at the end of the year? It works for me. That giant sum they withheld from my bonus/vacation check inflated my tax withholdings and I get a return, rather than having to pay a balance owed the government.
    ...
    I'm not saying it's right or wrong... i'm saying it's fair. Sure, Kobe is paying a hell of a lot more in taxes than me... but, I haven't earned $200 million over the past 16 years. I don't know how you all feel... but, $200 million is a lot of fucking money. I hope Kobe has been saving most of that because it's always a good thing to have a savings account. I think Kobe will do just fine.
    I'm pretty sure Kobe doesn't have to worry about having to eat the same food as his cat when he reaches age 85. The for the rest of us... depending on how much we save... or don't save... Friskies Giblit Feast might be on the future menu.
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  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 15,946
    I don't think many people are against paying taxes. There is so much government waste and corruption though. That generates most of the anger comes from with taxpayers. 57%? That is borderline theft though.
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    I don't think many people are against paying taxes. There is so much government waste and corruption though. That generates most of the anger comes from with taxpayers. 57%? That is borderline theft though.
    ...
    Government waste... it all depends on how 'Waste' is defined.
    Example, if the Department Of Defense procures 100 fighter jets... although it does not need any more jets of that type in its inventory... is that waste?
    It depends. The jobs generated in the private sector by the prime contractor... who hires everything from engineers to mechanics to the host of support personel... number in the thousands. Add the sub-contractors that build avionic systems, ejection seats, landing gear, engines, hydraulic and electrical systems components that span several states and hundreds of congressional districts.
    All of there jobs are focused on building... then maintaining 100 jets that the military does not need.. at $130 million a copy.
    ...
    Is that waste?
    ...
    It all depend on the congressional district you live in and if your community benefits from the jobs.
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  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 15,946
    The government collects enough tax revenue no matter what agenda is supported, except for extreme socialism.
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,840
    A. I'd love to see where this 57% number is coming from. The article didn't seem to cite dick

    B. Kobe is a fucking moron for negotiating to get it in a lump sum. Narcissism at its finest, would be awesome of it bit him in the ass
  • hedonist wrote:
    I hear you, somewhat, though aren't WE are the system?

    I think many of those who are stinking rich do much that's worthwhile and charitable - of their own accord. It's really not a rarity, either. I don't know, maybe it's perception?

    But yes, we all are fortunate to be able to speak our minds, freely. And to give (or not) a shit or two ;)

    Tell me... Other than making sure women get more sex than they wanted, what charitable things does Kobe Bryant do?
  • Tax breaks and refunds are 'welfare' too - the wealthy have the freedom to avoid paying taxes, the working poor (and even the lower middle classes) don't.
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    inside job ... the documentary ... anyone else watch this? ... every time i read the plight of the rich in america i just wanna :fp:
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    hedonist wrote:
    I hear you, somewhat, though aren't WE are the system?

    I think many of those who are stinking rich do much that's worthwhile and charitable - of their own accord. It's really not a rarity, either. I don't know, maybe it's perception?

    But yes, we all are fortunate to be able to speak our minds, freely. And to give (or not) a shit or two ;)

    Tell me... Other than making sure women get more sex than they wanted, what charitable things does Kobe Bryant do?
    I don't know the man personally. Googled a bit though. I imagine one could find additional information if they're so inclined.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/1 ... 45364.html
    http://www.looktothestars.org/celebrity/kobe-bryant
  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    brianlux wrote:
    I think we are fortunate in that because we live in a society that allows people to make more money than they could ever possibly need


    Who determines how much anyone 'needs'? That thought alone is what is wrong with this country. It's nobody else's business telling another that they don't need more money. So should we require him to give away anything over a certain amount? Where does that money then go? To others that have more of a 'need'? Do the same people make that decision?
  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    I would gladly give 14 Million away of my 24 Million.....but I wouldn't be happy about forcibly giving it to a corrupt, wasteful, irresponsible government who will do very little good with it other than feed it's own bureaucracy.

    I'd love to give it to people who actually need and might even deserve it. Our government is neither of those things.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,051
    unsung wrote:
    brianlux wrote:
    I think we are fortunate in that because we live in a society that allows people to make more money than they could ever possibly need


    Who determines how much anyone 'needs'?

    In this case, I do because my logical brain tells me that many millions of dollars is more than anyone needs. Sorry is this sounds like goofy logic.
    unsung wrote:
    That thought alone is what is wrong with this country.

    My single thought is what is wrong with this country? Whoa! Well fuck me then! :lol:
    unsung wrote:
    It's nobody else's business telling another that they don't need more money.

    I make it my business to express what I believe. The problem is, people don't always listen. Oh well.
    unsung wrote:
    So should we require him to give away anything over a certain amount?

    Unless you are completely against taxation, yes.
    unsung wrote:
    Where does that money then go? To others that have more of a 'need'? Do the same people make that decision?

    Answers to the last three: It goes to the IRS. Most people needs that money more than Koby. We the people.
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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    WAHOOOOOOOO...yes we need taxes but really 57% ??????? is it our fault the government we have can't even ballance a check book or have any feeling for the people that work their ass's off to pay these taxes.....AND most of you people say that this country is the land opertunity for the world to come and live here as they wish and and become successful....what only for OUR government to fuck us to death ? really...if I earn $14M the government thinks they are entileted to 57%...by the way who is the dumb shit that sets the tax percentage for OUR (worked for) income ?
    we all know who takes it and spends it.....

    Godfather.
  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    brianlux wrote:
    unsung wrote:
    brianlux wrote:
    I think we are fortunate in that because we live in a society that allows people to make more money than they could ever possibly need


    Who determines how much anyone 'needs'?

    In this case, I do because my logical brain tells me that many millions of dollars is more than anyone needs. Sorry is this sounds like goofy logic.
    unsung wrote:
    That thought alone is what is wrong with this country.

    My single thought is what is wrong with this country? Whoa! Well fuck me then! :lol:
    unsung wrote:
    It's nobody else's business telling another that they don't need more money.

    I make it my business to express what I believe. The problem is, people don't always listen. Oh well.
    unsung wrote:
    So should we require him to give away anything over a certain amount?

    Unless you are completely against taxation, yes.
    unsung wrote:
    Where does that money then go? To others that have more of a 'need'? Do the same people make that decision?

    Answers to the last three: It goes to the IRS. Most people needs that money more than Koby. We the people.


    Reserving this place for a reply when I get to my computer.
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    know1 wrote:
    I would gladly give 14 Million away of my 24 Million.....but I wouldn't be happy about forcibly giving it to a corrupt, wasteful, irresponsible government who will do very little good with it other than feed it's own bureaucracy.

    I'd love to give it to people who actually need and might even deserve it. Our government is neither of those things.
    ...
    Can that already be done? Any Tax Attorneys online?
    Can you figure out what your tax liability is going to be and give that amount away to the charities of your choosing... then, reconcile the amount on your tax filing and receive that amount in the form of a refund?
    Can that be done?
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