Guns & Ammo Editor Preaches Responsibilty ... Promptly Fired

Cosmo

Also, wasn't the Second Amendment written to organize a para-military force to support the regular Army in case of an attack from foriegn invaders?
In 1778, the real threat was a reprisal of King George's Navy ferrying the King's Army to the Eastern shore to 'Teach those colonists a lesson'. Colonist were farmers and ranchers and shop keepers and blacksmiths. They needed to be readied in a short time to defend the newly created nation from foriegn forces.
The Second Amendment made it possible for the citizens of this new nation to keep and bear arms and to form a well regulated militia that understood and could execute military tactics set by Army regular strategists and planners.
That was the light in which the amendments were drafted. Under English rule... you could not express you grievences with the king's rule in public... you must adhere to the Church of England... you were not able to be in possession of firearm and to form militias... you had to yield your property to the King's Army for barracks... you sat in jail for long periods, without formal charges.. you faced trial by the English... and so on. That is why the amendments were written.. to counter the conditions that existed and to abolish them.
The beauty in them is the foresight and understanding that time had changed for them and time will change for future generations. That is how and why the rights are written so vaguely... so future legislators, executives and justices could interpret them and change the rule of law and NOT have thing written in stone and condemned to the past. That is the brilliance of our forefathers and this amazing Constitution.

gimmesometruth27

anyone see the study that came out this week that linked attitudes on gun laws with racial bias and racist attitudes?

gimmesometruth27

here is a news story on the study. i will link the study too at the bottom. it is too long and has too many charts that do not fit the size restrictions to post it all here...

Study: White racism linked with opposition to gun control
Research suggests high score on common measure of racial resentment increases odds person rejects gun reform

http://www.salon.com/2013/11/05/study_w ... l_partner/

As we digest the news of yet another high-profile gun crime, the conversation inevitably comes back to the question of why stricter gun-control laws are so difficult to pass in this country.

There are a variety of explanations, of course, including the political clout of the National Rifle Association. But there are also deeper, psychological reasons why so many Americans would rather endure mass shooting after mass shooting rather than agree to any restrictions on gun ownership.

And one of them, it appears, is ingrained racism.

That’s the implication of a newly published study, which finds a link between gun ownership, opposition to gun control, and “symbolic racism”—racist attitudes that are not overt, but nevertheless color one’s view of the world.

A research team led by Kerry O’Brien of Monash University in Australia reports a high score on a common measure of racial resentment increases the odds that a person will (a) have a gun in the house, and (b) be opposed to gun control. This holds true even after other “explanatory variables,” including political party affiliation, are taken into account.

“The statistics on firearm-related suicides and homicides in the U.S. might reasonably be expected to convince U.S. citizens that action on reducing gun ownership and use would be beneficial to their health,” the researchers write in the online journal PLOS One.

“Yet, U.S. whites oppose strong gun reform more than all other racial groups, despite a much greater likelihood that whites will kill themselves with their own guns (suicide) than be killed by someone else.”

They conclude that these “paradoxical attitudes” among American whites—who oppose measures that would reduce their own risk of violent death—can be explained in part by “anti-black prejudice.”

O’Brien and his colleagues analyzed data from several waves of the American National Election Studies, large-scale surveys that take place during federal election years. The sample of voters skewed slightly conservative: “Just over half (52 percent) of the sample had a gun in the home, 66 percent opposed bans on handguns in the home, and 52 percent reported support for permits to carry a concealed handgun.”




here is the link to the actual published study.
Racism, Gun Ownership and Gun Control: Biased Attitudes in US Whites May Influence Policy Decisions

http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Ad ... ne.0077552

Guitar92player

Cosmo wrote:

There is a reason why America cannot have a reasonable discussion about guns.

Exactly.

America is so far in its gun culture that there can never be a reasonable discussion because once guns are brought up in discussion its either "say good shit" or "get the fuck away from me."

Cosmo

Guitar92player wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

There is a reason why America cannot have a reasonable discussion about guns.

Exactly.

America is so far in its gun culture that there can never be a reasonable discussion because once guns are brought up in discussion its either "say good shit" or "get the fuck away from me."

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That's all i want... a reasonable discussion.
If you are on either end of the extremes... you want all of the guns gathered up... or you think everyone wants all of the guns gathered up... please, shut the fuck up with the looney tunes psycho shit. You can still have those extremist views and express them... it's just the vast majority of the sane Americans will just decide to ignore your psycho asses.
We want to adhere to the law of the land, written in out Bill Of Rights.... and we want to address the issues facing the 2013 America, regarding guns. Specifically, how easy it is for sketchy, unstable people with no police record can easily obtain some pretty fierce weapons and turn them on our own people. How about we start with that one issue?
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All in favor of letting unbalanced psychos obtain any and all legal firearms through ease of current legal means... raise your hands.

polaris_x

Guitar92player wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

There is a reason why America cannot have a reasonable discussion about guns.

Exactly.

America is so far in its gun culture that there can never be a reasonable discussion because once guns are brought up in discussion its either "say good shit" or "get the fuck away from me."

you could apply this to most topics ... that's is the function of division politics ...

Guitar92player

Cosmo wrote:

Guitar92player wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

There is a reason why America cannot have a reasonable discussion about guns.

Exactly.

America is so far in its gun culture that there can never be a reasonable discussion because once guns are brought up in discussion its either "say good shit" or "get the fuck away from me."

...
That's all i want... a reasonable discussion.
If you are on either end of the extremes... you want all of the guns gathered up... or you think everyone wants all of the guns gathered up... please, shut the fuck up with the looney tunes psycho shit. You can still have those extremist views and express them... it's just the vast majority of the sane Americans will just decide to ignore your psycho asses.
We want to adhere to the law of the land, written in out Bill Of Rights.... and we want to address the issues facing the 2013 America, regarding guns. Specifically, how easy it is for sketchy, unstable people with no police record can easily obtain some pretty fierce weapons and turn them on our own people. How about we start with that one issue?
...
All in favor of letting unbalanced psychos obtain any and all legal firearms through ease of current legal means... raise your hands.

Agree!!

mickeyrat

was behind an H3 Hummer tonight. Gasden flag sticker, just the snake sticker, a sticker flag with a star an semi auto rifle image and the words , come take it. Sticker that said armed and under something in arabic(assume the same "armed") and finally the Gun Family sticker like those stick figure families showing an 50 cal on down to a handgun 5 or 6 weapons in this family in all.

I wanted to ask if he was Navy, due to the naval battle flag of south carolina from revolutionary times he was displaying.

The rest, well, arrogance such as that needs to have a come-uppance.

Jason P

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

here is a news story on the study. i will link the study too at the bottom. it is too long and has too many charts that do not fit the size restrictions to post it all here...

Study: White racism linked with opposition to gun control

Gimmie this is more of a glen beck "connect the dots" article. It doesn't apply to a rational discussion of coming to a common ground of intelligent gun regulation debate. As long as the left and right cling to these ideologies, nothing will ever be solved.

gimmesometruth27

Jason P wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

here is a news story on the study. i will link the study too at the bottom. it is too long and has too many charts that do not fit the size restrictions to post it all here...

Study: White racism linked with opposition to gun control

Gimmie this is more of a glen beck "connect the dots" article. It doesn't apply to a rational discussion of coming to a common ground of intelligent gun regulation debate. As long as the left and right cling to these ideologies, nothing will ever be solved.

you can lampoon the article all you want. did you read the link to the study?

i was just pointing out that people who are as irrational as racists are, are more than likely irrational about other things like, say, compromise on gun laws.

jethrojam420

The point of this thread is the ironical nature in which the man was fired.

People were outraged that the writer utilized his freedom of speech to urge others to think about their freedom to own a gun.

It wouldn't surprise me that many people who subscribe to that magazine would disagree with his statement. I believe that was the point. Opening up a dialogue. Talking out differences. etc.

Drifter88

This sums it up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVMvRHl6Bas

Pingfah

I guess these guys really do fire first and ask questions later.

Jason P

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Jason P wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

here is a news story on the study. i will link the study too at the bottom. it is too long and has too many charts that do not fit the size restrictions to post it all here...

Study: White racism linked with opposition to gun control

Gimmie this is more of a glen beck "connect the dots" article. It doesn't apply to a rational discussion of coming to a common ground of intelligent gun regulation debate. As long as the left and right cling to these ideologies, nothing will ever be solved.

you can lampoon the article all you want. did you read the link to the study?

i was just pointing out that people who are as irrational as racists are, are more than likely irrational about other things like, say, compromise on gun laws.

Other things ... There are lots of things out there to be irrational about if you are racist. Lots of dot connecting to do.

Cosmo

jethrojam420 wrote:

The point of this thread is the ironical nature in which the man was fired.

People were outraged that the writer utilized his freedom of speech to urge others to think about their freedom to own a gun.

It wouldn't surprise me that many people who subscribe to that magazine would disagree with his statement. I believe that was the point. Opening up a dialogue. Talking out differences. etc.

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That sum it up.
We all have to realize that this is an issue. It IS an issue, right? The issue being, psychos in possession of modern day deadly weapons and turning them on us. No one is in favor of psychos shooting up the place, right?
So, let's set aside our extreme views that the people who disagree with us are out to kill us and come to the reality of the matter... we are ALL Americans and we need to discuss this in a reasonable manner.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Cosmo wrote:

jethrojam420 wrote:

The point of this thread is the ironical nature in which the man was fired.

People were outraged that the writer utilized his freedom of speech to urge others to think about their freedom to own a gun.

It wouldn't surprise me that many people who subscribe to that magazine would disagree with his statement. I believe that was the point. Opening up a dialogue. Talking out differences. etc.

...
That sum it up.
We all have to realize that this is an issue. It IS an issue, right? The issue being, psychos in possession of modern day deadly weapons and turning them on us. No one is in favor of psychos shooting up the place, right?
So, let's set aside our extreme views that the people who disagree with us are out to kill us and come to the reality of the matter... we are ALL Americans and we need to discuss this in a reasonable manner.

Last night's episode of Walking Dead showed probably the only legitimate reason for owning semi-automatic assault rifles: in the event of a zombie outbreak... the best way to defend yourself from an approaching zombie horde is with an assault rifle.

While shotguns and hunting rifles most assuredly serve a dual purpose as tools for hunting and weapons for home defence... they simply cannot stop the advance of a heavily numbered zombie horde bent on eating flesh with the efficiency of an AR-15 or the like.

Another remotely legitimate reason for owning a semi-automatic assault rifle is that they shoot beer cans waaay better than shotguns or hunting rifles.

And they also look pretty cool.