Guns & Ammo Editor Preaches Responsibilty ... Promptly Fired

Jason P
Jason P Posts: 19,327
edited November 2013 in A Moving Train
An editor, Dick Metcalf, wrote an op/ed were he preached responsible gun ownership and suggested a 16 hour training course for obtaining a concealed carry permit. And of course readers completely freaked out.

He was fired within two days.

He had worked for them since 1976.

:fp:

The funny thing is that Guns & Ammo made an apology that basically told their readers that they do not have the ability to have rational discussion ...

I made a mistake by publishing the column. I thought it would generate a healthy exchange of ideas on gun rights. I miscalculated, pure and simple. I was wrong, and ask your forgiveness.

Again, it was only an article about responsible gun ownership. It was seen as a vicious attack on the 2nd amendment.

http://news.yahoo.com/guns-ammo-editorial-controversy-203042117.html

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/11/foghorn/breaking-guns-ammo-fires-dick-metcalf-for-2a-betrayal/
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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    :fp:

    same thing plays out here on the AMT! ...
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    God forbid people get angry. Over an editorial, yet. An opinion.

    And then terminate someone after 37 (!!!) years of employment.

    Coincidence? :think:

    Amazing to me how others keep their jobs (and pensions) when committing actual termination-worthy acts.
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    I was reading the comment section on "The Truth About Guns" link listed above (which is quite amusing and disturbing at the same time, and it took about 250 comments before I got to a post that would even come close to what would be considered defending the article ...

    Chris says:

    Yeah, fuck everyone who thinks differently from us!

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    David Kachel says:

    People who think differently, have their place to voice their opinions, on virtually every news site and editorial page in the mainstream media. They have all the exposure they could ever possibly want or need. They DO NOT need it in the pages of the gun magazines they would dearly love to bring to an end. This is not a free speech issue. It is a Trojan Horse issue.

    A trojan horse that was instituted in 1976 and waited until 2013 to hatch his diabolical plan about being responsible.

    :fp: :lol:
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  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    There is a reason why America cannot have a reasonable discussion about guns.
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  • goingtoverona
    goingtoverona Posts: 616
    as a gun owner i really wish fellow gun owners weren't so close minded. this is very disturbing, essentially shutting down free speech which is so ironic given how much the second amendment is used as an argument for gun possession. it's so hypocritical. at the end of the day it comes down to money though. they must have had enough people saying they would cancel their memberships if something wasn't done about the guy and article.
    if you think what I believe is stupid, bizarre, ridiculous or outrageous.....it's ok, I think I had a brain tumor when I wrote that.
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    goingtoverona wrote:
    as a gun owner i really wish fellow gun owners weren't so close minded. this is very disturbing, essentially shutting down free speech which is so ironic given how much the second amendment is used as an argument for gun possession. it's so hypocritical. at the end of the day it comes down to money though. they must have had enough people saying they would cancel their memberships if something wasn't done about the guy and article.
    ...
    I believe yours is the voice of the majority of gun owners. I know many gun owners and the vast majority advocate responsibility and accountability as a keystone to gun ownership.
    The unreasonable opinions are more of a vocal minority that see any reasonable discussion as personal attacks upon their freedoms.
    Gun ownership is a right protected by our Constitution. But, with those rights comes responsibility... and responsibility comes from knowledge and understanding... which comes from education by skilled individuals. I believe that a thorough understanding of the lethal aspects of modern day firearms and the legal and moral ramifications of their use and misuse... is probably a good thing.
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  • polaris_x
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    Cosmo wrote:
    goingtoverona wrote:
    as a gun owner i really wish fellow gun owners weren't so close minded. this is very disturbing, essentially shutting down free speech which is so ironic given how much the second amendment is used as an argument for gun possession. it's so hypocritical. at the end of the day it comes down to money though. they must have had enough people saying they would cancel their memberships if something wasn't done about the guy and article.
    ...
    I believe yours is the voice of the majority of gun owners. I know many gun owners and the vast majority advocate responsibility and accountability as a keystone to gun ownership.
    The unreasonable opinions are more of a vocal minority that see any reasonable discussion as personal attacks upon their freedoms.
    Gun ownership is a right protected by our Constitution. But, with those rights comes responsibility... and responsibility comes from knowledge and understanding... which comes from education by skilled individuals. I believe that a thorough understanding of the lethal aspects of modern day firearms and the legal and moral ramifications of their use and misuse... is probably a good thing.

    i dunno ... i mentioned this in another thread ... my buddy is a hunter and he is part of a forum where he has been rendered a lurker because they can't tolerate his "responsible gun" position ...
  • unsung
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    He wasn't fired because he preached responsibility. He was fired because he said there were limits to rights.
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    unsung wrote:
    He wasn't fired because he preached responsibility. He was fired because he said there were limits to rights.

    and this is reasonable in what way?
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    unsung wrote:
    He wasn't fired because he preached responsibility. He was fired because he said there were limits to rights.
    There are already limits established. No full auto. No bazookas. etc. etc, etc .... Of course there are limits.
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  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,621
    Don't you people know, the first thing tyrannical dictatorships do is preach about responsible gun ownership! Wake up!
  • unsung
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    Jason P wrote:
    unsung wrote:
    He wasn't fired because he preached responsibility. He was fired because he said there were limits to rights.
    There are already limits established. No full auto. No bazookas. etc. etc, etc .... Of course there are limits.


    And many people believe that those are unconstitutional at the level they are now.
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    unsung wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    There are already limits established. No full auto. No bazookas. etc. etc, etc .... Of course there are limits.

    And many people believe that those are unconstitutional at the level they are now.
    Well all I can say to that is thank christ that the right to driving a car wasn't an original constitutional amendment.

    Too bad the right to be responsible wasn't included.
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  • hedonist
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    Jason P wrote:
    unsung wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    There are already limits established. No full auto. No bazookas. etc. etc, etc .... Of course there are limits.

    And many people believe that those are unconstitutional at the level they are now.
    Well all I can say to that is thank christ that the right to driving a car wasn't an original constitutional amendment.

    Too bad the right to be responsible wasn't included.
    So many issues would be resolved if simple common sense were employed.
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,791
    Jason P wrote:
    unsung wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    There are already limits established. No full auto. No bazookas. etc. etc, etc .... Of course there are limits.

    And many people believe that those are unconstitutional at the level they are now.
    Well all I can say to that is thank christ that the right to driving a car wasn't an original constitutional amendment.

    Too bad the right to be responsible wasn't included.
    AND yet the FIRST amendment has its limits too now doesnt it? Which right is more important? I go with speech.
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  • vant0037
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    unsung wrote:
    He wasn't fired because he preached responsibility. He was fired because he said there were limits to rights.

    There are limits to rights. Nothing controversial about that, both from a historical and practical perspective.
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  • unsung
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    vant0037 wrote:
    unsung wrote:
    He wasn't fired because he preached responsibility. He was fired because he said there were limits to rights.

    There are limits to rights. Nothing controversial about that, both from a historical and practical perspective.


    Those aren't real rights then.
  • Cosmo
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    Jason P wrote:
    Too bad the right to be responsible wasn't included.
    ...
    There is the inclusion of 'Well regulated' in the Second amendment right.
    If individual gun owners consider themselves as part of an armed militia... they are supposed to be well regulated.

    "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

    These citizen gun owners are supposed to provide the security of our free State by being a well regulated Militia... right?
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  • unsung
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    Well regulated meant to make regular, as in be organized. It did not mean to have regulations in the sense of having limitations.
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    unsung wrote:
    Well regulated meant to make regular, as in be organized. It did not mean to have regulations in the sense of having limitations.
    ...
    Then... if that is the case... shouldn't the citizen gun owners be organized and trained as a regular security force?
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