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Breaking news on CNN right now. No real information is bei g given right now other than shots fired at terminal 3 at LAX. Fire department reporting that this is a "multi-patient" incident.
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati ... a/3361293/
LAX shooting suspect made suicidal references to family
The 23-year-old suspect in the Los Angeles International Airport shooting had family members worried that he may attempt to take his own life, according to details that have begun to emerge.
Paul Anthony Ciancia, the Los Angeles resident identified by the FBI as the suspected gunman, is alleged to have killed TSA officer Gerardo I. Hernandez, 39, on Friday. Several other people were also hurt that attack, some who may have been injured while trying to escape from the scene, authorities say.
Ciancia was wounded in a shootout with police and is now in custody.
On Friday, a sibling of Ciancia's received a text message from Ciancia saying he was thinking about taking his life, according to the Associated Press.
A federal law enforcement official, who didn't want to be named, told USA TODAY that the alleged shooter's family was worried about his emotional well-being. They alerted local police, and those officers relayed the family's concerns to Los Angeles authorities.
The official said Los Angeles police reportedly made contact with the alleged shooter's roommates who said Ciancia appeared to be okay.
The suspect grew up in Pennsville, N.J., according to an AP report that cited the town's police chief Allen Cummings as providing the information.
Cummings deemed the Ciancias as a "good family" and said his department had no dealings with him, according to a report on NJ.com.
Ciancia, a longtime township resident, did not attend Pennsville schools, according to media reports. He attended Salesianum School in Wilmington, Del.
Two former classmates of Ciancia's deemed the suspected shooter as a loner at the private high school, according to the Los Angeles Times.
"In four years, I never heard a word out of his mouth," said David Hamilton, who graduated with Ciancia from Salesianum School in 2008, and is now an editorial assistant at a publishing firm in Philadelphia. "He kept to himself and ate lunch alone a lot. I really don't remember any one person who was close to him."
Another classmate, Jeff Skidmore, told the Los Angeles Times that Ciancia wore black on "dress down" days when they were not required to wear their uniforms.
"He was definitely awkward," Skidmore said. "He was always hanging his head and just shuffling along."
On Friday evening, media members were camped out front of Ciancia father's driveway in New Jersey, which was blocked by police.
Joshua Pagan, 17, has lived across the street from Ciancia residence for past 10 years.
"I've seen (Paul) a few times, but I did not know him personally," Pagan said. "From what I've seen and heard, he was just a normal person – just an every-day guy."
Pagan finds it hard to comprehend that Ciancia would violently open fire in an airport.
"Right now I am still trying to process this," he says. "Did this really happen? Did they get the wrong guy? Because if they told me they got the wrong guy, it would make a lot more sense to me."
Investigators recovered a rambling message from the bag the shooter was allegedly carrying, which detailed an intent to kill TSA officers, two federal law enforcement officials said.
The officials, who are not authorized to comment publicly but who was familiar with contents of the message, said it was written in way that the author expected that his own life to be taken in the incident.
"This was clearly a suicide mission,'' one of the officials said. "He did not expect to walk away from this.''
The shooter, who was shot in the face, survived an exchange of gunfire with police. His condition was not immediately known, said the official.
certainly at airport.. That is a strictly enforced "no gun" zone!
so if there are strict laws agianst that, how the hell did it happen? laws will protect people, right?
yeah, I am being a little dick-ish and this is horrible (once again) but there are quite a few laws banning this one..
but, according to some, more laws will help :roll:
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Outside of Disneyland, where do you have a group of people packed together so tightly?
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more laws mean more punks like this dickweed will have easyer access to guns thu the black market, so yeah man you nailed it.
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Just HOW do these guns make their way to the black market/street?
Major robberies at the manufacturers? Individual thefts from homes?
Or is it more likely that ready access to states with lax laws (Like Ohio , every 2-3 months here in Columbus is a Gun Show "get em while you can!!!") and reporting of sales make it easy for a person to purchase weapons for places like gun shows with little accountability then transport across state lines and sold at a premium. Capitalism at its finest.
Why then is it that there are serial numbers on guns in the first place?
In my opinion , you should be required to have liability insurance on weapons and be held criminally liable if a weapon you purchased is later used in a crime , unless it can be proven that you had your weapons stored in a manner to reasonably believe they were secure but were still stolen.
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another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
actually....if a gun regestered to you is used in a crime like a murder believe me you will be contacted,if you sell a gun without proper reg. and change of ownership you will get in trouble if the fed's catch wind of it, I know people that have done time for this.....
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Yet another practical strategy that is frequently met with resistance. Place the burden of responsibility on those that wish to assume it. This is more than fair... isn't it? Why would any reasonable person resist such a change effort?
Because the level of irresponsibility is bigger than you would think. It was in this forum that many of our responsible gun owners admitted they never stored their weapons in the safe fashion that has been generally accepted. There are members of this community that leave their guns lying around their houses.
Here's the scary thing: we can afford, at a minimum, average intelligence to almost every participating member of this community (except for one) given that they can formulate a thought in written form. If these reasonable people have fallen into poor habits taking precautions with their weapons... think of the level of irresponsibility the really dumb folk exercise (ie. the babysitter who's gun fell into the 5 year old's hands).
It's likely happened, yes?
My point: everything is nice and safe and cool until good times go bad. Give each gun an eternal lifespan... and each gun will eventually kill someone. It is a mathematical certainty.
guns are being brought here from other countries via the black market and doing well I'd bet for one the bad guys can't buy guns at a gun shop as easley as they can from a warehouse near the docks and the more laws that are imposed the more this kind of business will grow, some people want a gun that the government can't see..yes responsible people who don't want the government telling them what they can and can not own or having a list of the guns they do own (I don't blame them at all)
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and to thirty bills, man i'm very disappointed that you of all people think that's a "practical strategy". I thought/think you're so much smarter than that. essentially saying if my guns were stolen, that i'm guilty of letting it happen and I have to prove that I didn't let it happen to not get in trouble with the law. fuck that shit.
Why is it so far fetched to expect gun owners to be responsible for keeping their guns secure? How hard is it to use gun locks and hide something that is that dangerous ? It's not.
And for the 110th time, why is it unreasonable to make gun purchases in the US difficult rather than easy?
Rather than seeing some of us as "anti-gun" can't we be seen as "pro-common sense"?
You are supposed to have your gun locked up. You are supposed to have your ammunition locked up in a different location than your gun. This is the responsibility that a gun owner is supposed to assume.
If there is a break-in and it is documented that your guns were taken from their place of storage that was deemed adequate... then a gun owner need not worry. If a gun 'mysteriously' goes missing... then that gun owner needs to be held accountable.
If you leave your fucking guns lying around then you might run into a problem. If you take the level of care that my father used to take... you will be fine. Why so tense over such a suggestion? You don't think that there should be some level of responsibility with owning a gun?
as far as having guns laying around, I'm not one to usually use self defense as an argument, but how the fuck am I suppose to blast a guy trying to kill me in my own house if all my guns are locked up?
so what does mysteriously go missing mean? like i have a gun sitting on my front seat and a guy comes by to steal it and we wink at each other? I'm not understanding the scenario, and can you tell me if you were me, how would you keep your guns? what would I have to do to not fall into the mysterious category?
and I absolutely think there should be responsibility when owning a gun, but what you're talking about is just madness.
to brianlux, I think we are in a state of miscommunication. I believe, strongly, that any person who leaves a gun laying around kids should be punished just for that act, if a kid kills someone or themselves then I think the penalty should be severe. if you have kids around keep your shit locked up safe, that should be the standard. but what you guys are saying is that if I don't have my guns in a bank vault in my own house that I should be punished if i'm the victim of a crime and that person hurts other people with my guns. that's just wowzers to me.
I don't think it's unreasonable at all to make gun purchases more difficult, what do you have in mind?
and both sides can't be pro common sense that's why, but i'd take anti gun over gun nut as a label any day.
You are out to lunch. We are talking about guns falling into the wrong hands through the careless actions and irresponsibility of gun owners. And you say you are tense from the complete lack of accountability? You are arguing against being accountable.
Nobody is giving the thief of your gun a free pass. They should be held accountable for whatever crime they have committed as well as the theft of your gun.
If you are at home... by your own account... there will be no theft of your gun because you are going to blast a guy trying to kill me in my own house. So, it's not likely your gun will go missing on your watch. I won't speak to the fact that having a loaded weapon inside your home at arms length has resulted in an astronomical amount of 'accidents'.
If you leave your home... it seems a prudent measure to lock your weapons in a gun safe. If you leave them by your bed and someone breaks into your house... you have not taken the necessary responsibility a weapon demands. And, because this is so... you should face some consequence. Shouldn't you?
And you mentioned something about a gun being on your front seat. Do you take a gun with you when you go out?
Honestly, I think if you're going to have a gun around the house it should- at least while your not at home or in possession of it- be kept locked up. A bank vault? If you have one, sure. Guns are dangerous. Dangerous items should be kept safe. If you kept nitroglycerin around the house I would not suggest that leaving it in a drawer would be safe. (Sorry, that's a silly come-back to the equally silly cars and kitchen knives argument.) It just seems very sensible to me to keep these things safe and locked up.
As for gun purchases being made more difficult: First of all, before even looking at gun purchase, let's look for ways better our education system, and set good examples to make for better people, less poverty, less hatred and less violence.
As for gun sales, start with make it illegal to sell automatics weapons that are made to kill many people. Those are for war (and I'd like to see an end to war as well). Secondly, better back ground checks, longer waiting periods. Thirdly, require tough fire arm safety courses that must be passed at high standards- no breeze through courses. Fourthly, more honesty about guns. Stop calling hunting a "sport". Stop glamorizing violence in our culture. Stop annoying neighbors with target practicing- that kind of activity should be restricted to isolated areas that do not disturb residents.
Any other suggestions? I'm sure I missed some here.
As for labels, that's not my thing. Call me anything but I only respond to my name.
I live by a simple rule with guns that is almost surely to never cause an accident. never keep a round in the chamber until you are about to pull the trigger. it's so easy but no one does it.
and no, I think I should face no consequence whatsoever for the scenario you described there I think that's crazy. If my doors and windows are locked, hell if they are even shut, that's taking the necessary responsibility.
usually I do take a pistol with me when I go places, and i'm sure in your mind i'm this terrified person looking around every corner living in fear all day and night, but in actuality I think of it as just a part of my wardrobe, phone, keys, pocket knife, wallet, 9mm. and Frisbees, but they stay in the car not on my person.
oh and you didn't answer my hypothetical car scenario question yo.
i'm down for the better education, being a teacher should be one of the highest paid professions in our country. agree on the poverty and hate as well. the violence i'm torn on, i'm not pro violence, but i do enjoy call of duty and good action/war movies.
i can't really give a response on the gun sales as "automatic" weapons covers a vast area of different guns but i would be against banning most of them. i'd love to see an end to war and i'd love to see a flying purple unicorn that craps golden nuggets. unfortunately neither will happen, at least not in our lifetimes.
i'd agree on the better background checks, i only got a thorough background check when i applied to carry concealed. but disagree on longer waiting periods. we are the same with guns as with posters and vinyl, need it now gotta have it now.
i'm fifty fifty on the extensive training, i like the idea of it, of people having to go through it, but me personally i wouldn't want to do it.
i'd agree with not calling hunting a sport, however i would say that if a person could catch and kill an animal with his bare hands or just a bowie knife, that that would be impressive enough to be called sport. to be eaten of course not for fun.
agree on the glamourizing violence, but i think that speaks more about people as a whole. movies and tv give us what we want to see. all the repugnant gory violent shit out there being shoved in our faces is exactly what the masses want.unfortunately.
not sure how i feel about the target practice around neighbors. i hear it all the time here, but can hardly hear it inside. maybe i'm just so use to it that it doesn't bother me anymore. i literally have neighbors on all sides hunting and shooting targets.
missed anything? hmmm, i think abolishing the drug war and spending the 40 to 50 billion a year we spend waging war on our own people, on helping people with drug problems. i think a shit ton of our violence is gang/drug related. which is so ironic because during alcohol prohibition it was exactly the same, gangs fighting to protect territory. so we should know better. imo, end the drug war legalize and tax drugs, and gun violence will drop exponentially.
I'm good with all of that except I think we have differing calls of duty.
I'd hunt if that was my only means of survival, but I'd forage for non-animal food first. As for being eaten, I'd rather be eaten by a mountain lion than by 4,000 lbs of Detroit (or Japanese) steel.
agreed.
A pet peeve. A bit crazy making.
End the drug war- yes!
this works well on the ignorant who won't think critically ... tie any issue to "take away your freedom" and they will back ya ... especially when you toss in other contentious words like "left", "liberals", etc...
it's just really sad to see people who, i hope, ultimately want the same thing not be able to come to a solution ... it's like there really is no hope when people actually believe that to prevent more random shootings - we need to arm more people ... :fp: ...
Firing a firearm in an airport: illegal
Murder: illegal
Rifle purchased after 2000?: illegal in Ca
>10 rd magazine: illegal
How many more laws are needed? Perhaps we need a law that makes it illegal to break laws.
They already are.
I'd assume that he meant guns like the AR-15 semi automatic..
People can have a basic understanding and mis-use terminology to some degree. I recall you gave me tons of shit years ago when I said "clips" instead of magazines. Or was it magazines instead of clips? I dont care, people knew what I was talking about... You proved your point - you own magazines and I dont.