my god man, they played 4 concerts last time in philly, of course they will end up playing some of the same songs. they have a new record, of course they are going to play those songs. they are still trying to sell records you know.
You really missed the point. It's not about repeating songs, it's about repeating the rare songs. Even with playing 4 concerts in Philly recently (last time was MIA), they still could have filled 2 more concerts with songs they did NOT play at the spectrum, many of them rare. Before this tour, Pilate had been played 21 times ever, including the Spectrum and at PJ20 (which many hardcore Philly fans attended). You generally are lucky to get one song a show as rare as Pilate. They could have easily picked a different rare song, one not played at the Spectrum or PJ20. Off the top of my head, Brother has never been played in Philly. And its the damn city of BROTHERly love. Oceans hasn't been played in Philly for 2 decades. Undone, Otherside, Hitchhiker, Bushleager, Big Wave... the list goes on.
As for the new record, we WANT to hear those songs, ALL of them. Not just the same 5 both nights. Again, you completely missed the point.
You really missed the point. It's not about repeating songs, it's about repeating the rare songs. [BLAHBLAHBLAH]
Hey man,
I hear you.
I actually do. I mean, I was having thoughts like this earlier (before I just got to see two shows) and here is my response to you:
What you are really asking for is for a wider pool of songs.
Right now Pearl Jam appears to be pulling from a pool of about 60 songs (100% guess).
In previously years they have pulled from probably 100-130 songs.
BUT. I think what you are missing is the *fact* that the band is REALLY TIGHT right now.
I would take 60 really tight songs performed at 150% and rotated and setlisted properly (check, check) over another 60 more added in and played sloppy, too fast, too unrehearsed. To wit, I think I saw Eddie using a lyric sheet ONCE in two shows, and that was for AATWatchtower.
If you were accusing the band of mainstreaming down their sets, lazily relying on overplaying of "rarities", and generally slacking their performance, you would expect MORE lyric sheet use from eddie, not less. The fact he is using sheets less, to me, is all the proof you need that they have been *practicing the fuck* out of this batch of songs, and are hell bent on nailing them.
Let them nail this batch.
They'll give you another next year.
You also have an entire leg to go here! ! !
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
OK, to clarify, I said that YES, these setlists are predictable with a few OBSCURE songs thrown in. And I stand by that. Pendulum opening how many shows? Alive, Porch, GTF, DTE, Even Flow, Better Man??? In every single set list? (with the exception of GTF, there are a couple shows they didn't play those) That's predictable, and that's what I'm about. Every. single. show. And of course, they have to play about half of the new album. That's expected.
One thing I wholeheartedly am thankful for is the letting go of Ledbetter at the end of every show. I'm so glad they're making the end more interesting now.
OK, to clarify, I said that YES, these setlists are predictable with a few OBSCURE songs thrown in. And I stand by that. Pendulum opening how many shows? Alive, Porch, GTF, DTE, Even Flow, Better Man??? In every single set list? (with the exception of GTF, there are a couple shows they didn't play those) That's predictable, and that's what I'm about. Every. single. show. And of course, they have to play about half of the new album. That's expected.
One thing I wholeheartedly am thankful for is the letting go of Ledbetter at the end of every show. I'm so glad they're making the end more interesting now.
You are listing 7 songs out of the 30 plus they are playing a night. That's less than 25%. They have played well over 100 DIFFERENT songs thus far. Say what you will, but that does not scream predictable to me. Of course some songs are going to be repeated from night to night, but in no way are these setlists predictable.
OK, to clarify, I said that YES, these setlists are predictable with a few OBSCURE songs thrown in. And I stand by that. Pendulum opening how many shows? Alive, Porch, GTF, DTE, Even Flow, Better Man??? In every single set list? (with the exception of GTF, there are a couple shows they didn't play those) That's predictable, and that's what I'm about. Every. single. show. And of course, they have to play about half of the new album. That's expected.
One thing I wholeheartedly am thankful for is the letting go of Ledbetter at the end of every show. I'm so glad they're making the end more interesting now.
Again, 120+ diff songs played so far. Only 5 at all 12 shows. The songs you mentioned not all in every set. DTE - 10, Even Flow - 9, Betterman - 7!
OK, to clarify, I said that YES, these setlists are predictable with a few OBSCURE songs thrown in. And I stand by that. Pendulum opening how many shows? Alive, Porch, GTF, DTE, Even Flow, Better Man??? In every single set list? (with the exception of GTF, there are a couple shows they didn't play those) That's predictable, and that's what I'm about. Every. single. show. And of course, they have to play about half of the new album. That's expected.
One thing I wholeheartedly am thankful for is the letting go of Ledbetter at the end of every show. I'm so glad they're making the end more interesting now.
You are listing 7 songs out of the 30 plus they are playing a night. That's less than 25%. They have played well over 100 DIFFERENT songs thus far. Say what you will, but that does not scream predictable to me. Of course some songs are going to be repeated from night to night, but in no way are these setlists predictable.
PREDICTABLE is Alive, Porch, DTE, Even Flow and GTF at every single show. Don't forget Elderly Woman, Daughter and Better Man played at almost every show as well. Predictable. I think that they even HAVE to play Alive and Even Flow for the casual fan, so they are accounted for. And GTF is just an incredibly awesome song I personally never tired of. Not to mention that the band sounds incredibly tight this tour, sound is incredible, and the shows have been great with Alone being played (yay!) among other many obscurities, albeit only a few a show. We can't really expect more than a few obscurities unless they play a 10c only show (still waiting on that one).
The point of this thread again? The predictability of the handful mentioned in the above paragraph every. single. show. It's something always played as well as half of the new album. I can only thank Ed for taking Jeremy out of that list.
Can I mention the predictability of the shows as well? Ed swinging on the light ball at the end of the second set. McCready playing behind his head. Again, just pointing out the obvious, not complaining. I love these guys, I love the shows. But I would also love a little unpredictability.
OK, to clarify, I said that YES, these setlists are predictable with a few OBSCURE songs thrown in. And I stand by that. Pendulum opening how many shows? Alive, Porch, GTF, DTE, Even Flow, Better Man??? In every single set list? (with the exception of GTF, there are a couple shows they didn't play those) That's predictable, and that's what I'm about. Every. single. show. And of course, they have to play about half of the new album. That's expected.
One thing I wholeheartedly am thankful for is the letting go of Ledbetter at the end of every show. I'm so glad they're making the end more interesting now.
You are listing 7 songs out of the 30 plus they are playing a night. That's less than 25%. They have played well over 100 DIFFERENT songs thus far. Say what you will, but that does not scream predictable to me. Of course some songs are going to be repeated from night to night, but in no way are these setlists predictable.
PREDICTABLE is Alive, Porch, DTE, Even Flow and GTF at every single show. Don't forget Elderly Woman, Daughter and Better Man played at almost every show as well. Predictable. I think that they even HAVE to play Alive and Even Flow for the casual fan, so they are accounted for. And GTF is just an incredibly awesome song I personally never tired of. Not to mention that the band sounds incredibly tight this tour, sound is incredible, and the shows have been great with Alone being played (yay!) among other many obscurities, albeit only a few a show. We can't really expect more than a few obscurities unless they play a 10c only show (still waiting on that one).
The point of this thread again? The predictability of the handful mentioned in the above paragraph every. single. show. It's something always played as well as half of the new album. I can only thank Ed for taking Jeremy out of that list.
Oh sorry about that, I guess I was basing my response to the thread title you started in saying the "set lists" as in the entire thing. :fp: I disagree with you and that's fine. They play 7-8 songs out of 30 plus for everyshow. I expect them to play some of the same songs, but if any band is really good at mixing it up and not being predicatble it's Pearl Jam.
Given to Fly - 8, Small Town - 8 and Daughter only 5 times out of 12 shows. Not as predictable as you're making it out to be.
Come on. Are you really getting technical to avoid recognizing the obvious?
No. I got technical to show you its not obvious. 5 out of 12 shows is a less than 50% chance of seeing a song last time I checked. But no worries dude, I think this tour is more varied than ever and you think otherwise. Thats fine. I was just throwing out some stats to back my opinion.
They're not "getting predictable". This is what they've done since becoming the live PJ we know today, which you could pretty much pin point to the No Code tour. They play a lot of bigger songs that will please the fringe fans, a bunch from the current record, then sprinkle in some b-side and rarities that will get the hardcores off. They've done this since '96, why is it suddenly an issue for you?
You apologists are ridiculous. They've opened with Pendulum 11 out of 12 shows, yet I their shows are "not predictable". :roll: :roll:
I assume you're lumping me in that category. If so, what exactly am I apologizing for? Several different posters have laid out the stats for you showing the variety in sets so far. And ok Pendulum has opened 11 of 12 but being followed by a different "classic" opener. Far from predictable.
What you are really asking for is for a wider pool of songs.
[BLAHBLAHBLAH]
If you were accusing the band of mainstreaming down their sets, lazily relying on overplaying of "rarities", and generally slacking their performance, you would expect MORE lyric sheet use from eddie, not less. The fact he is using sheets less, to me, is all the proof you need that they have been *practicing the fuck* out of this batch of songs, and are hell bent on nailing them.
[BLAHBLAHBLAH]
I'm not at all asking for a wider pool of songs. Just more thought put in to the current pool. Oceans and Otherside are in the current pool of songs, and Philly would have appreciated them more than Pilate.
I've never seen Ed mess up lyrics more than he has on this tour. Maybe he should be using more lyric sheets... I don't mind, no one would. So the point about "nailing" the songs is moot.
I can't believe Eddie forgot to factor in all the diehard Philly fans that went to PJ20.
What a ass.
He totally blew it with that one song choice that could have been slightly better, you know for those handful of fans that might have been mildly infuriated by that choice.
So what made you ignore the part about them playing the song in Philly at the 4th spectrum show, and focus on the part about PJ20? Is it just to argue?
Regardless, the type of people who want to hear rare songs, probably went to the spectrum, and probably went to PJ20 too. But there were songs not played ever in Philly, or at PJ20, that would have been a better choice than Pilate.
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I can see some similarities between Philly and Brooklyn but I don't think that holds for the whole tour so far.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
You really missed the point. It's not about repeating songs, it's about repeating the rare songs. Even with playing 4 concerts in Philly recently (last time was MIA), they still could have filled 2 more concerts with songs they did NOT play at the spectrum, many of them rare. Before this tour, Pilate had been played 21 times ever, including the Spectrum and at PJ20 (which many hardcore Philly fans attended). You generally are lucky to get one song a show as rare as Pilate. They could have easily picked a different rare song, one not played at the Spectrum or PJ20. Off the top of my head, Brother has never been played in Philly. And its the damn city of BROTHERly love. Oceans hasn't been played in Philly for 2 decades. Undone, Otherside, Hitchhiker, Bushleager, Big Wave... the list goes on.
As for the new record, we WANT to hear those songs, ALL of them. Not just the same 5 both nights. Again, you completely missed the point.
Hey man,
I hear you.
I actually do. I mean, I was having thoughts like this earlier (before I just got to see two shows) and here is my response to you:
What you are really asking for is for a wider pool of songs.
Right now Pearl Jam appears to be pulling from a pool of about 60 songs (100% guess).
In previously years they have pulled from probably 100-130 songs.
BUT. I think what you are missing is the *fact* that the band is REALLY TIGHT right now.
I would take 60 really tight songs performed at 150% and rotated and setlisted properly (check, check) over another 60 more added in and played sloppy, too fast, too unrehearsed. To wit, I think I saw Eddie using a lyric sheet ONCE in two shows, and that was for AATWatchtower.
If you were accusing the band of mainstreaming down their sets, lazily relying on overplaying of "rarities", and generally slacking their performance, you would expect MORE lyric sheet use from eddie, not less. The fact he is using sheets less, to me, is all the proof you need that they have been *practicing the fuck* out of this batch of songs, and are hell bent on nailing them.
Let them nail this batch.
They'll give you another next year.
You also have an entire leg to go here! ! !
If I opened it now would you not understand?
One thing I wholeheartedly am thankful for is the letting go of Ledbetter at the end of every show. I'm so glad they're making the end more interesting now.
You are listing 7 songs out of the 30 plus they are playing a night. That's less than 25%. They have played well over 100 DIFFERENT songs thus far. Say what you will, but that does not scream predictable to me. Of course some songs are going to be repeated from night to night, but in no way are these setlists predictable.
PREDICTABLE is Alive, Porch, DTE, Even Flow and GTF at every single show. Don't forget Elderly Woman, Daughter and Better Man played at almost every show as well. Predictable. I think that they even HAVE to play Alive and Even Flow for the casual fan, so they are accounted for. And GTF is just an incredibly awesome song I personally never tired of. Not to mention that the band sounds incredibly tight this tour, sound is incredible, and the shows have been great with Alone being played (yay!) among other many obscurities, albeit only a few a show. We can't really expect more than a few obscurities unless they play a 10c only show (still waiting on that one).
The point of this thread again? The predictability of the handful mentioned in the above paragraph every. single. show. It's something always played as well as half of the new album. I can only thank Ed for taking Jeremy out of that list.
Can I mention the predictability of the shows as well? Ed swinging on the light ball at the end of the second set. McCready playing behind his head. Again, just pointing out the obvious, not complaining. I love these guys, I love the shows. But I would also love a little unpredictability.
(BTW - I'll take Porch every show. Fucking love that damn song!)
Come on. Are you really getting technical to avoid recognizing the obvious?
Oh sorry about that, I guess I was basing my response to the thread title you started in saying the "set lists" as in the entire thing. :fp: I disagree with you and that's fine. They play 7-8 songs out of 30 plus for everyshow. I expect them to play some of the same songs, but if any band is really good at mixing it up and not being predicatble it's Pearl Jam.
The obvious isn't that obvious.
Seven songs repeated in Worcester from Night 1 to Night 2.
Three New: LB, MYM, Sirens
Four Classic: DTE, Alive, Porch and Evenflow
Say what you want about DTE, Porch and Evenflow but that doesn't seem like too much predictable repetition to me.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
One song is not a show
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I'm not at all asking for a wider pool of songs. Just more thought put in to the current pool. Oceans and Otherside are in the current pool of songs, and Philly would have appreciated them more than Pilate.
I've never seen Ed mess up lyrics more than he has on this tour. Maybe he should be using more lyric sheets... I don't mind, no one would. So the point about "nailing" the songs is moot.
So what made you ignore the part about them playing the song in Philly at the 4th spectrum show, and focus on the part about PJ20? Is it just to argue?
Regardless, the type of people who want to hear rare songs, probably went to the spectrum, and probably went to PJ20 too. But there were songs not played ever in Philly, or at PJ20, that would have been a better choice than Pilate.