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If you get a chance, check this special out on CNN. Its about the orcas that are kept at seaworld and the the deaths of a few of the trainers.

I've never been an advocate on animal rights and this show isn't going to change that. But it does show the ridiculous and inhumane way these animals are kept.
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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    same here, I saw the short on the news last night and all I can say is "play with fire and you will get burned" these animals were not ment to be caged.


    Godfather.
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,447
    I need to check this out. I'm a fan of zoos, etc but of course they have to do it the right way.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    cincybearcat wrote:
    I need to check this out. I'm a fan of zoos, etc but of course they have to do it the right way.

    I'm not making any judgements towards you, but I would argue that there is no right way.

    If you wish to see killer whales... I think you should hop on a boat and go off the coast to see them.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • chadwickchadwick Posts: 21,157
    keeping orcas in aquariums is one of the most ridiculous things a human being has ever done. these assholes should be set on fire as soon as every orca is released
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • groovemegrooveme Posts: 353
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:
    cincybearcat wrote:
    I need to check this out. I'm a fan of zoos, etc but of course they have to do it the right way.

    I'm not making any judgements towards you, but I would argue that there is no right way.

    If you wish to see killer whales... I think you should hop on a boat and go off the coast to see them.

    Agree! And I would say the same for dolphins and beluga whales
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    chadwick wrote:
    keeping orcas in aquariums is one of the most ridiculous things a human being has ever done. these assholes should be set on fire as soon as every orca is released

    if every orca is released back in the wild all or most would die, the capturing of thies animals needs to stop along with the dolphins.


    Godfather.
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,051
    Rather than zoos (which, I'm somewhat reluctant to admit, are fun to visit) what animals really need is habitat or at the very least sanctuary. There is, for example, the Elephant Sanctuary in Hohenwald, Tennessee, a large area of land that provides a natural setting for rescue elephant to live. This is not a place people can go and view wildlife but rather a place for these majestic creatures to live as natural a life as possible.

    As well as increased natural habitat, I'm an advocate for creating corridors to connect wild lands to allow species to migrate properly. Creating these corridors would do much to insure the continuation of many species of wild life.
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  • chadwickchadwick Posts: 21,157
    Godfather. wrote:
    chadwick wrote:
    keeping orcas in aquariums is one of the most ridiculous things a human being has ever done. these assholes should be set on fire as soon as every orca is released

    if every orca is released back in the wild all or most would die, the capturing of thies animals needs to stop along with the dolphins.


    Godfather.
    i understand they have been fed for years & haven't hunted for yrs & possibly never have because they may have been born in a fucking aquarium. if we release one orca into a pod of wild ass orcas, i would bet one of two things would happens.

    they would kill the introduced orca
    or
    the pod would accept the introduced orca & show that orca how to be a badass orca with a huge orca erection
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • dasvidanadasvidana Posts: 1,347
    I caught the end of the documentary and I will say that I'll never go to Sea World again. I can understand aquariums that rehab and release animals and keep only those that are not fit for release, but that poor whale that killed the trainer is just a sperm donor so Sea World can make more orcas to sell for profit. I am so disgusted. That is so wrong.
    It's nice to be nice to the nice.
  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Posts: 8,661
    For those that are interested, blackfish will be airing Sunday night at 9pm on CNN.
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    Maybe we just shouldn't fuck with nature (ie, evolution), and let nature take its course for better or worse.

    It's done well on its own so far, and if we didn't fuck with it, we wouldn't have to "help" it.
  • groovemegrooveme Posts: 353
    Last-12-Exit wrote:
    For those that are interested, blackfish will be airing Sunday night at 9pm on CNN.

    Thanks!
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    As a viewer, I'm saddened and pissed off.

    I can only imagine what these intelligent mammals felt...feel.

    (at least through half of this, especially the grieving mother crying out, has been accompanied by tears)

    This is something I DON'T want to watch...but feel I have to.
  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    Mammal
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    know1 wrote:
    Mammal
    "Blackfish" is what some Native Americans used to call them. Makes sense, given the times.
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    chadwick wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    chadwick wrote:
    keeping orcas in aquariums is one of the most ridiculous things a human being has ever done. these assholes should be set on fire as soon as every orca is released

    if every orca is released back in the wild all or most would die, the capturing of thies animals needs to stop along with the dolphins.


    Godfather.
    i understand they have been fed for years & haven't hunted for yrs & possibly never have because they may have been born in a fucking aquarium. if we release one orca into a pod of wild ass orcas, i would bet one of two things would happens.

    they would kill the introduced orca
    or
    the pod would accept the introduced orca & show that orca how to be a badass orca with a huge orca erection


    hahahahhahahhabahhhhahahhahah :lol:


    Godfather.
  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    with the exception of water critters, if i was a lion, tiger or some other land animal i'd volunteer to go to a zoo, at least people at the zoo are only there to shoot me with CAMERA and aren't looking to mount me on a wall.
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    lukin2006 wrote:
    with the exception of water critters, if i was a lion, tiger or some other land animal i'd volunteer to go to a zoo, at least people at the zoo are only there to shoot me with CAMERA and aren't looking to mount me on a wall.

    really!?

    your world can be upwards of 1,000 sq. km. and you can run like 80 km/h and you are ok living in a cage?

    life's definitely rough out there for lions between poaching, habitat destruction and global warming but still ... a cage?
  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    hedonist wrote:
    know1 wrote:
    Mammal
    "Blackfish" is what some Native Americans used to call them. Makes sense, given the times.

    It was an extremely vague Seinfeld reference to the episode where George rescues the whale and calls is a fish in the story.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u8KUgUqprw
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    polaris_x wrote:
    lukin2006 wrote:
    with the exception of water critters, if i was a lion, tiger or some other land animal i'd volunteer to go to a zoo, at least people at the zoo are only there to shoot me with CAMERA and aren't looking to mount me on a wall.

    really!?

    your world can be upwards of 1,000 sq. km. and you can run like 80 km/h and you are ok living in a cage?

    life's definitely rough out there for lions between poaching, habitat destruction and global warming but still ... a cage?

    You know it's just not poaching right? plenty of Canadians pay big money to go hunt legally in Africa ...
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • puremagicpuremagic Posts: 1,907
    Last-12-Exit wrote:
    If you get a chance, check this special out on CNN. Its about the orcas that are kept at seaworld and the the deaths of a few of the trainers.

    I've never been an advocate on animal rights and this show isn't going to change that. But it does show the ridiculous and inhumane way these animals are kept.


    The Cove was another disturbing and eye opening documentary on the abuses and slaughter of sea mammals, in particular dolphins.
    SIN EATERS--We take the moral excrement we find in this equation and we bury it down deep inside of us so that the rest of our case can stay pure. That is the job. We are morally indefensible and absolutely necessary.
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    know1 wrote:
    hedonist wrote:
    know1 wrote:
    Mammal
    "Blackfish" is what some Native Americans used to call them. Makes sense, given the times.

    It was an extremely vague Seinfeld reference to the episode where George rescues the whale and calls is a fish in the story.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u8KUgUqprw
    Ah! The marine biologist :P
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    lukin2006 wrote:
    You know it's just not poaching right? plenty of Canadians pay big money to go hunt legally in Africa ...

    no ... i get that ... their numbers are definitely dwindling ... it's more the point that you would rather live in a cage ... i don't get that at all ... sure, you get fed ... but that's no life for any animal let alone a lion ...
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    lukin2006 wrote:
    with the exception of water critters, if i was a lion, tiger or some other land animal i'd volunteer to go to a zoo, at least people at the zoo are only there to shoot me with CAMERA and aren't looking to mount me on a wall.

    and they would use you for breeding :lol: how bad could it be ? a safe place to live,medical treatment,visiters every day and you'd be fed well without having to chase it down and kill it. :lol:

    Godfather.
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Godfather. wrote:
    and they would use you for breeding :lol: how bad could it be ? a safe place to live,medical treatment,visiters every day and you'd be fed well without having to chase it down and kill it. :lol:

    Godfather.

    commit a serious crime and you too could have the life!! ... not sure whether you want to call it "breeding" tho ... :lol:
  • chadwickchadwick Posts: 21,157
    lukin2006 wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    lukin2006 wrote:
    with the exception of water critters, if i was a lion, tiger or some other land animal i'd volunteer to go to a zoo, at least people at the zoo are only there to shoot me with CAMERA and aren't looking to mount me on a wall.

    really!?

    your world can be upwards of 1,000 sq. km. and you can run like 80 km/h and you are ok living in a cage?

    life's definitely rough out there for lions between poaching, habitat destruction and global warming but still ... a cage?

    You know it's just not poaching right? plenty of Canadians pay big money to go hunt legally in Africa ...
    & these safari money havin soulless freaks should be beat senseless by mike tyson & the like then tied to a tree so big cats & whatnot can have a snack

    i'd like to see a tree climbing badass leopard just go to town on a fucker tied high up in a tree under 120 degree sunshine for a good week or so

    the sounds at night would make him cry like a baby as he can't move a single limb .... in comes kitties

    same with sea world assholes
    them bastards should be fed to the fish
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    polaris_x wrote:
    lukin2006 wrote:
    You know it's just not poaching right? plenty of Canadians pay big money to go hunt legally in Africa ...

    no ... i get that ... their numbers are definitely dwindling ... it's more the point that you would rather live in a cage ... i don't get that at all ... sure, you get fed ... but that's no life for any animal let alone a lion ...

    Plus you get the chance to kick the shit out of one of those hunters with their fancy hats, cargo shorts, high socks, and big guns.

    "I say jolly old fellow, it looks like a splendid day to shoot a lion. What say we go after tea, sport?"

    Hunt animals... except instead of coming across them and shooting them with a gun... shoot them with a picture. It took every bit of patience to not admonish my colleagues for oohing and aahing while looking through a photo album of African hunting exploits. How does one get their kicks killing zebras?

    I understand someone killing a deer for the meat they can put in their freezer, but I cannot understand trophy hunting.

    I don't know.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:
    I understand someone killing a deer for the meat they can put in their freezer, but I cannot understand trophy hunting.

    I don't know.
    One is about survival. The other, ego (and money).

    I don't get it either.
  • groovemegrooveme Posts: 353
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    lukin2006 wrote:
    You know it's just not poaching right? plenty of Canadians pay big money to go hunt legally in Africa ...

    no ... i get that ... their numbers are definitely dwindling ... it's more the point that you would rather live in a cage ... i don't get that at all ... sure, you get fed ... but that's no life for any animal let alone a lion ...

    Plus you get the chance to kick the shit out of one of those hunters with their fancy hats, cargo shorts, high socks, and big guns.

    "I say jolly old fellow, it looks like a splendid day to shoot a lion. What say we go after tea, sport?"

    Hunt animals... except instead of coming across them and shooting them with a gun... shoot them with a picture. It took every bit of patience to not admonish my colleagues for oohing and aahing while looking through a photo album of African hunting exploits. How does one get their kicks killing zebras?

    I understand someone killing a deer for the meat they can put in their freezer, but I cannot understand trophy hunting.

    I don't know.

    Then you won't like this either. Folks like this make me embarrased to be a Texan
    http://abcnews.go.com/US/hunting-club-a ... d=20697931
  • kenny olavkenny olav Posts: 3,319
    I watched this exploitative piece about the exploitation of these intelligent and emotional sea-dwellers. It's a very sad practice to keep them confined in such small quarters and make them do tricks for food. It would be a shame if human deaths end up being the main reason this practice gets banned.
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