This board has a long history of hating Nirvana. Most of the world however knows Nirvana as one of the most important bands of our generation and legends.
Those haters just like keeping this Pearl Jam vs. Nirvana thing going.
To them I say, if it wasn't for Nirvana our beloved Pearl Jam and all the other great bands of the 90's would not have gained the exposure on mainstream media the way they did.
As much as I love Pearl Jam, they did not change the world.
Adelaide 17/11/2009, Melbourne 20/11/2009, Sydney 22/11/2009, Melbourne (Big Day Out Festival) 24/01/2014
I think the Vaselines should induct Nirvana when the time comes. People would be like "who the fuck...?"
Paul McCartney?
Josh Homme?
having a Beatle induct Kurt would be sweet poetry, given how much he loved them. I think it really should be Frances. But the Vaselines or the Meat Puppets would be an epic choice as well.
Or someone from the 80's hardcore punk bands he loved like MDC, Black Flag, Bad Brains.
Or Flipper, or The Pixies?
Adelaide 17/11/2009, Melbourne 20/11/2009, Sydney 22/11/2009, Melbourne (Big Day Out Festival) 24/01/2014
Their first album came out in 1988, but come on....The album that changed the landscape of America didn't come out till 1991.
Ask any casual fan what they think of Bleach and you'll get blank stares.
The criteria is just "25 years after release of first record", not 25 years after release of first good record, or first commercially successful album. It's just an eligibility period, not meant to be an anniversary. You don't wait and induct somebody into the baseball HoF on the anniversary of their first good season.
Did they last long enough to be in. I dont know how long you need to be a band. If RRHOF is anything like baseball hof they would be boarderline at best.
They lasted longer than The Doors and Sex Pistols, both in the HoF.
Yeah and it doesn't even have to be 25 years after your first LP. A single or an EP counts too. Stupid thread.
Obviously they can be in...the eligibility rules were never in question. But should they be in when they were still 3 years shy of reaching their iconic status?
Obviously they can be in...the eligibility rules were never in question. But should they be in when they were still 3 years shy of reaching their iconic status?
Well I shouldn't say "stupid" cause that's not nice. But it doesn't make any sense for reasons already mentioned in this thread.
The music HOF is a bigger joke than the NFL Hall of fame.
to answer the question yes they deserve to be in.
This comes from someone who thinks they were overated and really did not "swoon and love their music"
this
"Well, I think this band is incapable of sucking."
-my dad after hearing Not for You for the first time on SNL .
The music HOF is a bigger joke than the NFL Hall of fame.
to answer the question yes they deserve to be in.
This comes from someone who thinks they were overated and really did not "swoon and love their music"
this
I know the selection process and some other things about it are a huge clusterfuck, but it's a fantastic place to visit. I went when I was 16, and I've never been so in awe in my entire life. I spent 2 days in that place. Standing there looking at one of Hendrix's smashed guitars, John Lennon's Rickenbacker with the '66 tour setlist still taped to it, Mick Jagger stage outfits, Janis Joplin's Porsche, etc, was really mind-blowing. Especially for a 16 year old kid. Regardless of what you think about the institution, if you ever get a chance to go there, do so. You don't have to actually go into the Hall Of Fame part if you don't want to (it's not that interesting anyway, just a room with pictures of the inducted) and just stay in the museum. That's where the good stuff is, and stuff from people not in the Hall. Just music artifacts of a wide variety.
"See a broad to get dat booty yak 'em, leg 'er down, a smack 'em yak 'em!"
I was "swooned" as soon as I saw Nirvana on MTV, playing Teen Spirit... Like no other band I've ever heard or seen, and they'll NEVER be another one like them...
THIS
Gimli 1993
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
Good stuff.. I just wonder how much of a shit storm this is going to turn out to be leading up to it with Courtney. She's going to want to be involved somehow, and knowing her, she won't make things easy for everyone during this process…. Hope it doesn't come to that, congrats to Nirvana!
1998 Dallas (7/5) 2006 San Fran (7/15,7/16) 2009 San Fran (8/28) 2010 Bristow (5/13) NY (5/21) 2011 Alpine Valley (9/3,9/4) 2012 Missoula (9/30) 2013 Chicago (7/19) Pittsburgh (10/11) Buffalo (10/12) Baltimore (10/27) Dallas (11/15) 2014 Austin (10/12) Memphis (10/14) St. Paul (10/19) Milwaukee (10/20) Denver (10/22) 2016 Ft. Lauderdale (4/8) Miami (4/9) Hampton (4/18) Philly (4/28,4/29) NY (5/1,5/2) 2018 Seattle (8/10) Missoula (8/13) 2022 Nashville (9/16) E.V. - 2008 Berkeley (4/8) 2012 Austin (11/9,11/12) Temple of the Dog - 2016 Upper Darby
Good stuff.. I just wonder how much of a shit storm this is going to turn out to be leading up to it with Courtney. She's going to want to be involved somehow, and knowing her, she won't make things easy for everyone during this process…. Hope it doesn't come to that, congrats to Nirvana!
with the amount of hate she spews towards dave, who knows what she'll do. she even insults krist whenever she gets the chance. but I guess there's really nothing she could do if they don't bill themselves as Nirvana for the show.
they really need to do this right. Don't just get some kurt clone to perform. the person doesn't even have to sound like him. just respect his legacy.
Gimli 1993
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
yeah, I don't get this comment either. I've seen much Kurt/Nirvana hate on other grunge-related boards, but not this one.
I think they have alot of the same fans, but there's some that still hold onto that rivalry. Hate is probably too strong, but there's definitely been some undeserved slagging of Nirvana in support of PJ in the PJ fan community. Thing could probably be said for any "rival" band fan bases, but it's a little stronger around here than other web communities.
Nirvana was an awesome band and I'm glad they're in but I'd be many times happier to see The Replacements inducted. Paul Westerberg is without a doubt one of rocks all-time greatest songwriters- that alone should qualify the 'Mats- and though the band train wrecked numerous times, when everything was working they were an incredible band.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Nirvana was an awesome band and I'm glad they're in but I'd be many times happier to see The Replacements inducted. Paul Westerberg is without a doubt one of rocks all-time greatest songwriters- that alone should qualify the 'Mats- and though the band train wrecked numerous times, when everything was working they were an incredible band.
Exactly what I was alluding at in the OP. There's a huge back catalog of bands who not just formed, but released iconic albums 25...30...40 years ago who have yet to get in. Outside of what the rules permit, what's the rush of having Nirvana be inducted when their iconic release hasn't hit 25 years?
Nirvana was an awesome band and I'm glad they're in but I'd be many times happier to see The Replacements inducted. Paul Westerberg is without a doubt one of rocks all-time greatest songwriters- that alone should qualify the 'Mats- and though the band train wrecked numerous times, when everything was working they were an incredible band.
Exactly what I was alluding at in the OP. There's a huge back catalog of bands who not just formed, but released iconic albums 25...30...40 years ago who have yet to get in. Outside of what the rules permit, what's the rush of having Nirvana be inducted when their iconic release hasn't hit 25 years?
Good point and well said, mookeywrench.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Nirvana was an awesome band and I'm glad they're in but I'd be many times happier to see The Replacements inducted. Paul Westerberg is without a doubt one of rocks all-time greatest songwriters- that alone should qualify the 'Mats- and though the band train wrecked numerous times, when everything was working they were an incredible band.
Exactly what I was alluding at in the OP. There's a huge back catalog of bands who not just formed, but released iconic albums 25...30...40 years ago who have yet to get in. Outside of what the rules permit, what's the rush of having Nirvana be inducted when their iconic release hasn't hit 25 years?
There are certain bands that unquestionably get in when they are first eligible. Nirvana is without a doubt one of those bands.
The Replacements? Not so much. Great band...influential. Not a chance in hell of them getting in the HOF. They are not *that* influential. Kind of like The Meat Puppets. People love them. Bands were influenced by them. They have achieved cult status. But that's not what the HOF is for...for better or worse.
There will always be bands that "deserve" to get in. Some are head scratchers: right now I believe Yes and Deep Purple are noteworthy (now that Rush and Kiss are in). And yeah, the HOF selection committee are a bunch of self righteous morons. But they have their criteria, again for better or worse. I've questioned a ton of entries over the years. For example: why The O'Jays were inducted but not Rush. I mean really. But it's the HOF. They're going to induct who they want to induct, and if you don't like it you can start a campaign (which seemed to work for Rush), or just shrug your shoulders.
Put it this way: Pink Floyd wasn't inducted until 1996. They were eligible for 4 years before that. Performers that beat them in their eligible years include: The Orioles, Martha and the Vandellas, The Animals, Duane Eddy, Rod Stewart, Frankie Lymon and the Teenagers and The Isley Brothers. I can't make a case against any of those...but over Pink Floyd? There's the HOF in a nutshell.
Bright eyed kid: "Wow Typo Man, you're the best!"
Typo Man: "Thanks kidz, but remembir, stay in skool!"
Dave and Krist and Courtney are all going to have to agree on this thing or it will turn very ugly.
Regardless whether you like it or not, Courtney is going to represent Kurt's feelings on this thing
and Michael Stipe is one of the few people who I could see working for everyone.
I also can't see Dave and Krist performing any Nirvana songs on the evening.
In my humble estimation, that would be really tacky.
They've carefully avoided doing that for all these years,
it would be a travesty if they were to play that music with anyone else playing kareoke hero for the night.
Just leave it alone with all due respect.
This induction could really be like a drunken wedding reception though.
Between Courtney and Dave and Krist combined with the possibility of Ace Frehley and Peter Criss
in the presence of Gene Simmons, add lots of some adult beverages...
it could be like a real life Celebrity Deathmatch episode.
I agree Dave and Krist will more than likely not perform live. However, like when the Beastie Boys were inducted and MCA was absent due to his near death, they had others perform Beastie Boys songs in a montage. I have a feeling this will be done with Nirvana also. Possibly show concert footage of them from the 80's/90's as well.
Nirvana was an awesome band and I'm glad they're in but I'd be many times happier to see The Replacements inducted. Paul Westerberg is without a doubt one of rocks all-time greatest songwriters- that alone should qualify the 'Mats- and though the band train wrecked numerous times, when everything was working they were an incredible band.
Exactly what I was alluding at in the OP. There's a huge back catalog of bands who not just formed, but released iconic albums 25...30...40 years ago who have yet to get in. Outside of what the rules permit, what's the rush of having Nirvana be inducted when their iconic release hasn't hit 25 years?
I know there are some obvious bands missing, but I don't think there's a huge list, especially now that Rush and KISS have gotten in.
I think Nirvana is a must first ballot band. You can wait on some, but the way things changed when Nevermind hit. I see your point about iconic releases and all that, bit I don't think they're a band you can wait on. I think you can hold off any other band they came after them for an extra year to help get the Deep Purples and Iron Maidens in.
it doesn't matter if a band's iconic release wasn't their first. the award is for their entire catalog (to date) and it's impact and they are only first eligible after 25 years. one has nothing to do with the other.
Gimli 1993
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
Comments
Those haters just like keeping this Pearl Jam vs. Nirvana thing going.
To them I say, if it wasn't for Nirvana our beloved Pearl Jam and all the other great bands of the 90's would not have gained the exposure on mainstream media the way they did.
As much as I love Pearl Jam, they did not change the world.
Or someone from the 80's hardcore punk bands he loved like MDC, Black Flag, Bad Brains.
Or Flipper, or The Pixies?
Yeah and it doesn't even have to be 25 years after your first LP. A single or an EP counts too. Stupid thread.
Pearl Jam bootlegs:
http://wegotshit.blogspot.com
Why's it stupid?
Obviously they can be in...the eligibility rules were never in question. But should they be in when they were still 3 years shy of reaching their iconic status?
Well I shouldn't say "stupid" cause that's not nice. But it doesn't make any sense for reasons already mentioned in this thread.
Pearl Jam bootlegs:
http://wegotshit.blogspot.com
this
-my dad after hearing Not for You for the first time on SNL .
I know the selection process and some other things about it are a huge clusterfuck, but it's a fantastic place to visit. I went when I was 16, and I've never been so in awe in my entire life. I spent 2 days in that place. Standing there looking at one of Hendrix's smashed guitars, John Lennon's Rickenbacker with the '66 tour setlist still taped to it, Mick Jagger stage outfits, Janis Joplin's Porsche, etc, was really mind-blowing. Especially for a 16 year old kid. Regardless of what you think about the institution, if you ever get a chance to go there, do so. You don't have to actually go into the Hall Of Fame part if you don't want to (it's not that interesting anyway, just a room with pictures of the inducted) and just stay in the museum. That's where the good stuff is, and stuff from people not in the Hall. Just music artifacts of a wide variety.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
THIS
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
Not really.
Typo Man: "Thanks kidz, but remembir, stay in skool!"
yeah, I don't get this comment either. I've seen much Kurt/Nirvana hate on other grunge-related boards, but not this one.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
2012 Missoula (9/30) 2013 Chicago (7/19) Pittsburgh (10/11) Buffalo (10/12) Baltimore (10/27) Dallas (11/15)
2014 Austin (10/12) Memphis (10/14) St. Paul (10/19) Milwaukee (10/20) Denver (10/22)
2016 Ft. Lauderdale (4/8) Miami (4/9) Hampton (4/18) Philly (4/28,4/29) NY (5/1,5/2) 2018 Seattle (8/10) Missoula (8/13) 2022 Nashville (9/16)
E.V. - 2008 Berkeley (4/8) 2012 Austin (11/9,11/12)
Temple of the Dog - 2016 Upper Darby
with the amount of hate she spews towards dave, who knows what she'll do. she even insults krist whenever she gets the chance. but I guess there's really nothing she could do if they don't bill themselves as Nirvana for the show.
they really need to do this right. Don't just get some kurt clone to perform. the person doesn't even have to sound like him. just respect his legacy.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
I think they have alot of the same fans, but there's some that still hold onto that rivalry. Hate is probably too strong, but there's definitely been some undeserved slagging of Nirvana in support of PJ in the PJ fan community. Thing could probably be said for any "rival" band fan bases, but it's a little stronger around here than other web communities.
Exactly what I was alluding at in the OP. There's a huge back catalog of bands who not just formed, but released iconic albums 25...30...40 years ago who have yet to get in. Outside of what the rules permit, what's the rush of having Nirvana be inducted when their iconic release hasn't hit 25 years?
Good point and well said, mookeywrench.
There are certain bands that unquestionably get in when they are first eligible. Nirvana is without a doubt one of those bands.
The Replacements? Not so much. Great band...influential. Not a chance in hell of them getting in the HOF. They are not *that* influential. Kind of like The Meat Puppets. People love them. Bands were influenced by them. They have achieved cult status. But that's not what the HOF is for...for better or worse.
There will always be bands that "deserve" to get in. Some are head scratchers: right now I believe Yes and Deep Purple are noteworthy (now that Rush and Kiss are in). And yeah, the HOF selection committee are a bunch of self righteous morons. But they have their criteria, again for better or worse. I've questioned a ton of entries over the years. For example: why The O'Jays were inducted but not Rush. I mean really. But it's the HOF. They're going to induct who they want to induct, and if you don't like it you can start a campaign (which seemed to work for Rush), or just shrug your shoulders.
Put it this way: Pink Floyd wasn't inducted until 1996. They were eligible for 4 years before that. Performers that beat them in their eligible years include: The Orioles, Martha and the Vandellas, The Animals, Duane Eddy, Rod Stewart, Frankie Lymon and the Teenagers and The Isley Brothers. I can't make a case against any of those...but over Pink Floyd? There's the HOF in a nutshell.
Typo Man: "Thanks kidz, but remembir, stay in skool!"
Bingo. That's who it's gonna be.
Dave and Krist and Courtney are all going to have to agree on this thing or it will turn very ugly.
Regardless whether you like it or not, Courtney is going to represent Kurt's feelings on this thing
and Michael Stipe is one of the few people who I could see working for everyone.
I also can't see Dave and Krist performing any Nirvana songs on the evening.
In my humble estimation, that would be really tacky.
They've carefully avoided doing that for all these years,
it would be a travesty if they were to play that music with anyone else playing kareoke hero for the night.
Just leave it alone with all due respect.
This induction could really be like a drunken wedding reception though.
Between Courtney and Dave and Krist combined with the possibility of Ace Frehley and Peter Criss
in the presence of Gene Simmons, add lots of some adult beverages...
it could be like a real life Celebrity Deathmatch episode.
9/29/04 Boston, 6/28/08 Mansfield, 8/23/09 Chicago, 5/15/10 Hartford
5/17/10 Boston, 10/15/13 Worcester, 10/16/13 Worcester, 10/25/13 Hartford
8/5/16 Fenway, 8/7/16 Fenway
EV Solo: 6/16/11 Boston, 6/18/11 Hartford,
I know there are some obvious bands missing, but I don't think there's a huge list, especially now that Rush and KISS have gotten in.
I think Nirvana is a must first ballot band. You can wait on some, but the way things changed when Nevermind hit. I see your point about iconic releases and all that, bit I don't think they're a band you can wait on. I think you can hold off any other band they came after them for an extra year to help get the Deep Purples and Iron Maidens in.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08
I think Paul McCartney would be a great choice for induction speech if Frances does not do it, but she should speak on kurt's behalf at the ceremony.
EV Solo: 7/11/11 11/12/12 11/13/12