Pulled deltoid muscle

gimmesometruth27

duska3419 wrote:

It's the big toe side. Sometimes the bottom of that foots gets randomly a wee bit numb and/or tingly. It might sound completely daft, but sometimes I think that leg feels longer than the other one.

I'm not gonna be able to see a doctor until Feb, because insurance.

I'm gonna end up in a wheelchair ain't I?

DO NOT GOOGLE IMAGE SEARCH 'posterior tibialis' :sick: (I'm scarred for life now)

yeah so that is posterior tib side. that muscle attaches on the bottom of the foot. that is what helps it maintain the integrity of the arch. it also turns your ankle inward.

numbness on the bottom of the foot is normally not associated with posterior tib dysfunction, but it depends on where the numbness is. most times foot numbness comes from the spine, or sciatica.

you don't sound daft. leg length discrepancies are very common. a huge number of people have them, but not many of them are symptomatic. even a difference of 5 mm can be enough to throw you off. the body has many ways to compensate for leg length discrepancies. one way is the long leg side pelvis can rotate forward in attempt to shorten the long leg. this can result in back and si joint pain because the mechanics are all thrown off. also, the long leg side can cause overpronation of the foot in attempt to shorten that leg. that is what can be causing posterior tib issues because the posterior tib controls pronation of the foot as well. people with "fallen arches" have posterior tib dysfunction..

i am not saying you have any of this stuff, but it is possible. it is impossible to know without examining you. in most cases though, the simplest explanation is normally the correct one.

and sorry for scarring you for life lol... :fp:

ldent42

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

. in most cases though, the simplest explanation is normally the correct one.

and sorry for scarring you for life lol... :fp:

Occam's Razor!!! (Yes, I know that but not what a tibialis is. Philosophy nerd ftw!)

I wanted to see where that thing was so I could see if that's where it hurt but there was a bunch of photos of surgery included in there.... and I'm totally cool with my OWN blood and subdermal nastiness but I can't look at someone elses'. :fp:

Anyway thanks for the input. My non-medically employed friends had suggested I somehow injured my hamstring, but since my physical activity is mostly limited to walking the concrete jungle, climbing the hills of Harlem, and weaving through the most crowded subway station ever during rush hour, I didn't believe I could have a sports injury. I'm gonna youtube some stretches for pos tib and see if I notice any change. That's a totally foolproof way to diagnose myself right? (sarcasm)

C'moooooooooooooooooooooon Obamacare!!!! Mama needs a new leg!

gimmesometruth27

the hamstring attaches up under your gluteal muscles. it is possible that you may have injured it somehow, and if your hamstrings are inflexible it can cause back and leg pain. so maybe try stretching them as well.

you know, the hamstring is what allows you to walk up hills. in the old days, castles and cities were built on high ground and hills. when an invading army would take over a city, the victorious soldiers would take their swords and cut the hamstrings of the losing soldiers so that they could not walk or run up the hill to try to attack them again. that is where the term "being hamstrung" comes from.....

check out my wealth of worthless medical trivia tonight... :fp: :fp:

sports injury is a misnomer. nonathletes get the same injuries as athletes do. their bodies all work the same way. we are a sports medicine practice, but the vast majority of our patients are not athletes. we are dealing basically with nonsurgical orthopedic problems.

surgery does not bother me. i have watched countless procedures. the visual is not bad for me. but the smell can be pretty bad...

at least you didn't check out webmd

duska3419 wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

. in most cases though, the simplest explanation is normally the correct one.

and sorry for scarring you for life lol... :fp:

Occam's Razor!!! (Yes, I know that but not what a tibialis is. Philosophy nerd ftw!)

I wanted to see where that thing was so I could see if that's where it hurt but there was a bunch of photos of surgery included in there.... and I'm totally cool with my OWN blood and subdermal nastiness but I can't look at someone elses'. :fp:

Anyway thanks for the input. My non-medically employed friends had suggested I somehow injured my hamstring, but since my physical activity is mostly limited to walking the concrete jungle, climbing the hills of Harlem, and weaving through the most crowded subway station ever during rush hour, I didn't believe I could have a sports injury. I'm gonna youtube some stretches for pos tib and see if I notice any change. That's a totally foolproof way to diagnose myself right? (sarcasm)

C'moooooooooooooooooooooon Obamacare!!!! Mama needs a new leg!

chadwick

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

chadwick wrote:

wow, well done, gst

so what about actually hearing the rotater cuff explode or whatever it does? that was some sound & dad was not to pleased as his arm went dead like but above his head...

it is not uncommon to hear things rupture. it is like pulling a rubber band until it breaks. there is a snap there.

everything pops when it tears, some people just feel it, sometimes people hear it too.

i was standing on a sideline at a college football game in 1996 or so when a guy fractured his femur right in front of me. now that is a sound i will never, ever forget. both the snap, and the screams that followed it...

fuck the heck off @ the feeling & the sound of a snapping femur... that is terrible agony i would imagine.

also, i never knew you were a badass medical whatever you are classified as. nicely done, gimmietruth

ldent42

hmmmmm..... there's a HUUUUUGE hill that I have to climb every day. I wonder what role that fucker had to play in my drama. I wish I knew how to measure it. Alright I'll stretch out the hamstring too. I seriously can't thank you enough.

edit: AHHHH THE FUCKING PICTURES ARE THERE TOOOOOOOOOOOOO :sick: :sick: :sick: :evil: :evil: DAMN YOU GOOGLE!!!!!!!!!

gimmesometruth27

chadwick wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

chadwick wrote:

wow, well done, gst

so what about actually hearing the rotater cuff explode or whatever it does? that was some sound & dad was not to pleased as his arm went dead like but above his head...

it is not uncommon to hear things rupture. it is like pulling a rubber band until it breaks. there is a snap there.

everything pops when it tears, some people just feel it, sometimes people hear it too.

i was standing on a sideline at a college football game in 1996 or so when a guy fractured his femur right in front of me. now that is a sound i will never, ever forget. both the snap, and the screams that followed it...

fuck the heck off @ the feeling & the sound of a snapping femur... that is terrible agony i would imagine.

also, i never knew you were a badass medical whatever you are classified as. nicely done, gimmietruth

yeah that femur fracture was BAD. you don't see that happen very often other than car accidents. he knew he fractured it. i got to him and his foot was rotated to the right. it was his right femur. good thing we had an ambulance on site because you want to get them into traction as soon as you can, but a traction splint is not something your normal athletic training staff keeps handy.

that poor kid. he ended up leaving springfield mo a few days later with a titanium rod in his femur. i am not sure if he ever played football again after that. i am thinking not. he was in agony. i will never forget how big his eyes were. just totally freaked out. they started an iv on the field and gave him meds before they even spineboarded him. craziest sports injury i ever tended to. thank god we had doctors on site. you try to prepare yourself for things like this, but you rarely see it happen.

thanks chad. i am an athletic trainer. if you ever see a football game and someone gets hurt, i am one of those dudes who run out to take care of them. i am working in a doctor's office now so i do not cover sports these days. it sounds pretty morbid, but i kinda miss that adrenaline rush when the shit hits the fan though.

gimmesometruth27

duska3419 wrote:

hmmmmm..... there's a HUUUUUGE hill that I have to climb every day. I wonder what role that fucker had to play in my drama. I wish I knew how to measure it. Alright I'll stretch out the hamstring too. I seriously can't thank you enough.

don't thank me yet. haha..

you can thank me if i am right and if it helps... hard to do without seeing a doc for a proper exam and work up though...

ldent42

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

duska3419 wrote:

hmmmmm..... there's a HUUUUUGE hill that I have to climb every day. I wonder what role that fucker had to play in my drama. I wish I knew how to measure it. Alright I'll stretch out the hamstring too. I seriously can't thank you enough.

don't thank me yet. haha..

you can thank me if i am right and if it helps... hard to do without seeing a doc for a proper exam and work up though...

I spent the whole summer trying to get to see an ortho. I finally found what I thought was a free clinic which turned out to be sliding scale but I went anyway, spent $100 to see a nurse who told me I needed an orthopedist, which I already knew. They referred me to an ortho clinic which only has hours when I'm in school, but I figured that should be priority so took whatever appointment they gave me. That was in May. They kept calling me and rescheduling my appointment. I was standing in a merch line at Wrigley when they called and rescheduled my appointment for the end of September. I lost my shit and started yelling, which is something I never do, but between the sun, the line, and the history of rescheduling appointments I finally snapped at the poor guy who called me. I did call back later and leave a message apologizing. The appointment was supposed to be for this week. I called to confirm and they didn't have anything booked for me, which I figured was the guy I yelled at getting back at me, which I can't blame him for. The referral I got from the clinic is long expired anyway so I gotta go back and get a new one, hopefully without wasting another $100. In the meantime I tried this with another hospital but they won't let me go straight to an ortho and the regular doctors were booked for two months. I had given up and decided to wait for insurance but I guess I could try the other hospital again. Just gotta find the phone numbers.

gimmesometruth27

duska3419 wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

duska3419 wrote:

hmmmmm..... there's a HUUUUUGE hill that I have to climb every day. I wonder what role that fucker had to play in my drama. I wish I knew how to measure it. Alright I'll stretch out the hamstring too. I seriously can't thank you enough.

don't thank me yet. haha..

you can thank me if i am right and if it helps... hard to do without seeing a doc for a proper exam and work up though...

I spent the whole summer trying to get to see an ortho. I finally found what I thought was a free clinic which turned out to be sliding scale but I went anyway, spent $100 to see a nurse who told me I needed an orthopedist, which I already knew. They referred me to an ortho clinic which only has hours when I'm in school, but I figured that should be priority so took whatever appointment they gave me. That was in May. They kept calling me and rescheduling my appointment. I was standing in a merch line at Wrigley when they called and rescheduled my appointment for the end of September. I lost my shit and started yelling, which is something I never do, but between the sun, the line, and the history of rescheduling appointments I finally snapped at the poor guy who called me. I did call back later and leave a message apologizing. The appointment was supposed to be for this week. I called to confirm and they didn't have anything booked for me, which I figured was the guy I yelled at getting back at me, which I can't blame him for. The referral I got from the clinic is long expired anyway so I gotta go back and get a new one, hopefully without wasting another $100. In the meantime I tried this with another hospital but they won't let me go straight to an ortho and the regular doctors were booked for two months. I had given up and decided to wait for insurance but I guess I could try the other hospital again. Just gotta find the phone numbers.

ahhhh prime example number one of the state of the health care system in america. i hear stories like this all the time. i am sorry that you have gotten the runaround. our clinic books patients within the same week that they call us. and we take cash/credit and discount our services for uninsured patients. we are also the only orthopedic office in a 15 mile radius that takes medicaid. sure the docs lose money that way, but they don't care because helping people who lack insurance is the right thing to do. hopefully you get it all sorted out.

ldent42

honeslty this thread and your kindness to dispense what knowledge you can to complete strangers on a band forum makes me think I should reboot the mission to get myself fixed. Also I just saw a commercial for NY Presbyterian. So I'm gonna do some more legwork (pun fully intended) and try to get this fixed before next year. :thumbup: Even if that means getting the run around and wasting more time.

gimmesometruth27

duska3419 wrote:

honeslty this thread and your kindness to dispense what knowledge you can to complete strangers on a band forum makes me think I should reboot the mission to get myself fixed. Also I just saw a commercial for NY Presbyterian. So I'm gonna do some more legwork (pun fully intended) and try to get this fixed before next year. :thumbup: Even if that means getting the run around and wasting more time.

i try to contribute when i can on here. if i know something that might benefit others i am not gonna be selfish with it.
it is better than me spending my time arguing with people on amt like i normally do

lol i caught the pun.

good luck and let us know how it turns out. i am interested to see what the diagnosis and treatment plan is.

backseatLover12

chadwick wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

chadwick wrote:

wow, well done, gst

so what about actually hearing the rotater cuff explode or whatever it does? that was some sound & dad was not to pleased as his arm went dead like but above his head...

it is not uncommon to hear things rupture. it is like pulling a rubber band until it breaks. there is a snap there.

everything pops when it tears, some people just feel it, sometimes people hear it too.

i was standing on a sideline at a college football game in 1996 or so when a guy fractured his femur right in front of me. now that is a sound i will never, ever forget. both the snap, and the screams that followed it...

fuck the heck off @ the feeling & the sound of a snapping femur... that is terrible agony i would imagine.

I broke both femurs in a car accident, compound fractures (exit wounds through skin) and they both broke at both ends of the bone. Didn't hear any sound, didn't feel any pain, just knew I couldn't move them. So glad that I couldn't feel it! The agony was learning to walk again. I'll never run, but that's ok.

backseatLover12

Hey Gimme, so I did tell my general health dr. about my "strained deltoid" and her solution was to just not lift it for a few days.
Biofreeze. It helps.

gimmesometruth27

backseatLover12 wrote:

I broke both femurs in a car accident, compound fractures (exit wounds through skin) and they both broke at both ends of the bone. Didn't hear any sound, didn't feel any pain, just knew I couldn't move them. So glad that I couldn't feel it! The agony was learning to walk again. I'll never run, but that's ok.

oh man, i could not imagine tending to that. both femurs, both open? yikes!

i have seen several open fractures in my career. had a few open thumb fractures. but mostly both bone forearm fractures. you know, ulna and radius both sticking out of the skin. i have seen 2 open tibia and fibula fractures. one in a hockey game, and one in a football game. the hockey one was hard to tend to because i had to cut through the hockey sock, and then remove the shin guard, just so i could evaluate it. i saw blood on the sock so i knew it was bad. had coach call 911 before i even started trying to cut the sock. the football one was awful. the tibia was sticking out, and it was the cleanest white i have ever seen. imagine the whitest teeth you have ever seen. that is what it looked like.... the tibia was actually bleeding from the inside. like the bone marrow was bleeding. i had never seen anything like that. i just took a bunch of gauze and put pressure on the inside of the tibia to try to stop the bleeding until the ambulance got there. that bony bleeding is something that they do not train you for. you just improvise. the surgery was delayed for a day because they could not stop the bony bleeding. that kid was a junior. he was able to come back and play as a senior but he was never the same player as he was before the injury.

in situations like that, your body has ways of making you not feel anything. you body releases it's natural pain killers. that is probably why you didn't feel anything.

glad we have recovered from that

gimmesometruth27

backseatLover12 wrote:

Hey Gimme, so I did tell my general health dr. about my "strained deltoid" and her solution was to just not lift it for a few days.
Biofreeze. It helps.

see, told you to see someone who knows what they are doing... :fp:

you have to use the arm. how is the tissue going to heal if you do not apply appropriate strain to it? you have to work the muscle so the body knows how to lay down the scar tissue. if you don't stress it, the body lays down a big, disorganized hunk of scar tissue. it is like sticking a wad of chewed up gum in a muscle tear. it is a weak repair that can easily be reinjured. in therapy, you use the arm in such a way so that you can manipulate the scar tissue into healing along the lines of where the stress and forces within the muscle are their greatest. in therapy the scar tissue lines up with the muscle fibers. rest does not allow that to happen, so you get the potential for chronic problems. see an othopedic if you can.

biofreeze, flexall, ben gay, tiger balm, all of those things are called "counter irritants". they do nothing to promote healing. all they do is create an irritiation on the skin and the result of that irritation is either sensation of warmth or cold. the sensory nerves in the skin are tiny and impulses travel fast across these nerves. the pain nerves are thicker and deeper and the pain signals travel slower across these nerves. this is why pain feels like it is throbbing or constant. the counter irritants create that irritation on the skin, and the sensation of the irritation overrides the pain you feel in the deeper nerves.

what biofreeze is doing is essentially the same thing as when you scratch an itch.