8 year old bride from Yemen dies on wedding night

josevolution

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

unsung wrote:

You guys that want to call my post low need a reality check. Don't give me your holier than thou attitudes and look down upon my post. A child died in a violent fashion, there's no excuse for either way. Point your anger at your President that kills children by the dozens instead of someone calling out the truth.

I never knew we judged people by the degree of barbarity on which a child is killed. You exhibit outrage on the death of one, where are your threads when the Nobel Peace President rains down drone missiles upon dozens?

That outrage is there.

It's throughout various (and numerous) other, more appropriate threads. This thread was dedicated to a young girl and many others like her in an oppressive society. It wasn't meant to be dismissed, derailed and turned into... yet again... another Obama bashing thread.

Thanks for stating it better than i ever could he allways does this any chance to Bash Obama ...

gimmesometruth27

everyone knows that dowrys and arranged marriages to child wives started as soon as obama took over from bush. this shit has not been going on for a thousand years...only maybe 6.... can i get an amen???

josevolution

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

everyone knows that dowrys and arranged marriages to child wives started as soon as obama took over from bush. this shit has not been going on for a thousand years...only maybe 6.... can i get an amen???

Holla amen

dimitrispearljam

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

everyone knows that dowrys and arranged marriages to child wives started as soon as obama took over from bush. this shit has not been going on for a thousand years...only maybe 6.... can i get an amen???

Amen brother!!

unsung

josevolution wrote:

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

unsung wrote:

You guys that want to call my post low need a reality check. Don't give me your holier than thou attitudes and look down upon my post. A child died in a violent fashion, there's no excuse for either way. Point your anger at your President that kills children by the dozens instead of someone calling out the truth.

I never knew we judged people by the degree of barbarity on which a child is killed. You exhibit outrage on the death of one, where are your threads when the Nobel Peace President rains down drone missiles upon dozens?

That outrage is there.

It's throughout various (and numerous) other, more appropriate threads. This thread was dedicated to a young girl and many others like her in an oppressive society. It wasn't meant to be dismissed, derailed and turned into... yet again... another Obama bashing thread.

Thanks for stating it better than i ever could he allways does this any chance to Bash Obama ...

Actually I call out all tyrants and dictators. Try and keep up.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

unsung wrote:

josevolution wrote:

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

That outrage is there.

It's throughout various (and numerous) other, more appropriate threads. This thread was dedicated to a young girl and many others like her in an oppressive society. It wasn't meant to be dismissed, derailed and turned into... yet again... another Obama bashing thread.

Thanks for stating it better than i ever could he allways does this any chance to Bash Obama ...

Actually I call out all tyrants and dictators. Try and keep up.

How can we not keep up? You do it in every thread.

Last-12-Exit

I try not to swear to much in these threads, but thats fucking horrific.

aerial

This happens all the time......

February 3, 2013

Saudi Arabia: Islamic cleric rapes, tortures, kills daughter, pays fine
In Saudi Arabia an Islamic cleric who admits to raping, torturing and killing his daughter received a fine but no jail time for his heinous crime. Saudi media reports that the father paid 200,000 riyals ($50,000 US) in “blood money” for his crime, but will not be required to serve any time in prison.

In response to the heinous crime, and lack of justice for five-year old victim Lama al-Ghamdi, the women's rights activist Manal al-Sharif and others issued a press release on Feb 2, and launched a Twitter campaign using the hashtags #AnaLama (Arabic for "I am Lama") and #IamLama, demanding legislation criminalizing violence against women and children.

Fayhan al-Ghamdi, the victims father and a popular Islamic preacher who has made numerous television appearances promoting Islam, confessed to the heinous crime. Ghamdi told Saudi officials he used cables and a cane on his five-year-old daughter, leaving her with multiple injuries, including a crushed skull, broken ribs and left arm, extensive bruising and burns. In addition, one of Lama’s fingernails had been torn off. Hospital staff reports the child’s rectum had been torn open and the abuser had attempted to burn it closed.

Reports indicate the father had doubted his five-year old daughter's virginity.



Lama al-Ghamdi died last October. The amount her father was fined for the brutal rape, torture and murder, would have been doubled if Lama had been male. In Saudi Arabia, Islamic law is interpreted to be that a father cannot be executed for murdering his children, nor can husbands be executed for murdering their wives.

http://www.examiner.com/article/saudi-arabia-islamic-cleric-rapes-tortures-kills-daughter-pays-fine

chadwick

aerial wrote:

This happens all the time......

February 3, 2013

Saudi Arabia: Islamic cleric rapes, tortures, kills daughter, pays fine
In Saudi Arabia an Islamic cleric who admits to raping, torturing and killing his daughter received a fine but no jail time for his heinous crime. Saudi media reports that the father paid 200,000 riyals ($50,000 US) in “blood money” for his crime, but will not be required to serve any time in prison.

In response to the heinous crime, and lack of justice for five-year old victim Lama al-Ghamdi, the women's rights activist Manal al-Sharif and others issued a press release on Feb 2, and launched a Twitter campaign using the hashtags #AnaLama (Arabic for "I am Lama") and #IamLama, demanding legislation criminalizing violence against women and children.

Fayhan al-Ghamdi, the victims father and a popular Islamic preacher who has made numerous television appearances promoting Islam, confessed to the heinous crime. Ghamdi told Saudi officials he used cables and a cane on his five-year-old daughter, leaving her with multiple injuries, including a crushed skull, broken ribs and left arm, extensive bruising and burns. In addition, one of Lama’s fingernails had been torn off. Hospital staff reports the child’s rectum had been torn open and the abuser had attempted to burn it closed.

Reports indicate the father had doubted his five-year old daughter's virginity.



Lama al-Ghamdi died last October. The amount her father was fined for the brutal rape, torture and murder, would have been doubled if Lama had been male. In Saudi Arabia, Islamic law is interpreted to be that a father cannot be executed for murdering his children, nor can husbands be executed for murdering their wives.

http://www.examiner.com/article/saudi-arabia-islamic-cleric-rapes-tortures-kills-daughter-pays-fine

when i read these kinds of stories i want to reach out & rip their vile hearts out & feed their black hearts & lifeless bodies to schools of piranha.

it is a fact & it is sad it is not happening any sooner, but still it is a fact: women are winning & femininity will prevail as monsters like these sick fucks will have the tables reversed on them. girls & women worldwide are victorious. crime against them will be punishable with an iron fist. these islamic sick fucks shall suffer as they have dished it out themselves. please die slowly & painfully

ajedigecko

chadwick wrote:

aerial wrote:

This happens all the time......

February 3, 2013

Saudi Arabia: Islamic cleric rapes, tortures, kills daughter, pays fine
In Saudi Arabia an Islamic cleric who admits to raping, torturing and killing his daughter received a fine but no jail time for his heinous crime. Saudi media reports that the father paid 200,000 riyals ($50,000 US) in “blood money” for his crime, but will not be required to serve any time in prison.

In response to the heinous crime, and lack of justice for five-year old victim Lama al-Ghamdi, the women's rights activist Manal al-Sharif and others issued a press release on Feb 2, and launched a Twitter campaign using the hashtags #AnaLama (Arabic for "I am Lama") and #IamLama, demanding legislation criminalizing violence against women and children.

Fayhan al-Ghamdi, the victims father and a popular Islamic preacher who has made numerous television appearances promoting Islam, confessed to the heinous crime. Ghamdi told Saudi officials he used cables and a cane on his five-year-old daughter, leaving her with multiple injuries, including a crushed skull, broken ribs and left arm, extensive bruising and burns. In addition, one of Lama’s fingernails had been torn off. Hospital staff reports the child’s rectum had been torn open and the abuser had attempted to burn it closed.

Reports indicate the father had doubted his five-year old daughter's virginity.



Lama al-Ghamdi died last October. The amount her father was fined for the brutal rape, torture and murder, would have been doubled if Lama had been male. In Saudi Arabia, Islamic law is interpreted to be that a father cannot be executed for murdering his children, nor can husbands be executed for murdering their wives.

http://www.examiner.com/article/saudi-arabia-islamic-cleric-rapes-tortures-kills-daughter-pays-fine

when i read these kinds of stories i want to reach out & rip their vile hearts out & feed their black hearts & lifeless bodies to schools of piranha.

it is a fact & it is sad it is not happening any sooner, but still it is a fact: women are winning & femininity will prevail as monsters like these sick fucks will have the tables reversed on them. girls & women worldwide are victorious. crime against them will be punishable with an iron fist. these islamic sick fucks shall suffer as they have dished it out themselves. please die slowly & painfully

...and they are protected by their culture. That is the obstacle.

chadwick

their culture should be adjusted with something nice


lemme think of what that is


i got nothing


their culture is dog shit

VivaPalestina

It is not anymore part of Yemeni culture than Rabbis sucking the tips of penises of babies and transmitting herpes is part of the Jewish culture.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/07/health/ne ... index.html

The practice of child brides and prostitution which is practiced by countries throughout Asia and Africa and yes, event the US is a sad and disturbing result of socioeconomic factors,

on child brides:

"Early marriage is a brutal curtailment of childhood and a violation of children's rights, yet many parents around the world believe it is the best possible way to ensure their daughters are looked after," said Hannah Stevenson, a policy advisor and co-author of the report.

She continued: "The public perception in the West is that these types of marriages are down to convention, but our research found that in most cases parents fear the child will starve or have no money, especially when have lost everything through war."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... eport.html

And Unicef on Child prostitution:

•The victims of trafficking or their caregivers are often seeking escape from poverty. The children most likely to be trafficked are girls, those from tribal groups and ethnic minorities, stateless people and refugees (according to the UN special rapporteur).
•Some children (or their parents) are lured by promises of education, a new skill or a "good job"; other children are kidnapped outright, taken from their home villages or towns and then bought and sold like commodities. Often they are crammed into boats or trucks without enough air, water or food. When their smugglers are threatened by discovery, the children may be abandoned or even killed. If they reach their destination, they end up in situations of forced labor, forced prostitution, domestic service or involuntary marriage. They are virtual slaves, who have been stripped of their human rights.
•Children who are trafficked lose contact with their families. They are taken into an entirely new situation, often to another country, to a place where they don't know anyone and don't speak the language. They are vulnerable to many kinds of abuse, including sexual abuse. It is difficult for them to seek help not just because they are children but because they are often illegal immigrants and have false documents or no documents.
•Boys who are trafficked in armed conflicts are usually used as soldiers, while girls are usually forced to be servants who are often used sexually by the soldiers as well.

http://asiasociety.org/policy/social-is ... f-response

badbrains

unsung wrote:

Yeah don't they know that only US drone strikes are allowed to kill children in Yemen?

I dnt think most on here disagree with you on your post, it's just that it doesn't belong in this thread. That girl had no business being married off at that age, and to be killed in that manor. It's an absolute shame that this shit happens. We all agree killing and murdering children is the lowest form of humanity. Children are innocent and deserve nothing more than to be happy, joyful and full of life. Breaks me every time I read or hear something like this happening to a child. We're supposed to PROTECT them not let some sick fuck pay a father a goat/chicken for his daughter. Our world needs a complete change and restart. We're so fucked up as the human race.

Yes killing children in ANY WAY is pure evil and hate to say it but we as humans have become more like the devil.

Loulou

This just makes me want to cry and cry.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

VivaPalestina wrote:

It is not anymore part of Yemeni culture than Rabbis sucking the tips of penises of babies and transmitting herpes is part of the Jewish culture.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/07/health/ne ... index.html

The practice of child brides and prostitution which is practiced by countries throughout Asia and Africa and yes, event the US is a sad and disturbing result of socioeconomic factors,

on child brides:

"Early marriage is a brutal curtailment of childhood and a violation of children's rights, yet many parents around the world believe it is the best possible way to ensure their daughters are looked after," said Hannah Stevenson, a policy advisor and co-author of the report.

She continued: "The public perception in the West is that these types of marriages are down to convention, but our research found that in most cases parents fear the child will starve or have no money, especially when have lost everything through war."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... eport.html

And Unicef on Child prostitution:

•The victims of trafficking or their caregivers are often seeking escape from poverty. The children most likely to be trafficked are girls, those from tribal groups and ethnic minorities, stateless people and refugees (according to the UN special rapporteur).
•Some children (or their parents) are lured by promises of education, a new skill or a "good job"; other children are kidnapped outright, taken from their home villages or towns and then bought and sold like commodities. Often they are crammed into boats or trucks without enough air, water or food. When their smugglers are threatened by discovery, the children may be abandoned or even killed. If they reach their destination, they end up in situations of forced labor, forced prostitution, domestic service or involuntary marriage. They are virtual slaves, who have been stripped of their human rights.
•Children who are trafficked lose contact with their families. They are taken into an entirely new situation, often to another country, to a place where they don't know anyone and don't speak the language. They are vulnerable to many kinds of abuse, including sexual abuse. It is difficult for them to seek help not just because they are children but because they are often illegal immigrants and have false documents or no documents.
•Boys who are trafficked in armed conflicts are usually used as soldiers, while girls are usually forced to be servants who are often used sexually by the soldiers as well.

http://asiasociety.org/policy/social-is ... f-response

Just for clarification... what was the intent of this post? The information is fine, but your preface sounds as if it is a rationalization of some sort. This isn't what you intended is it?

Annafalk

The conservatives in jemen doesn't want a law against girls being married at young age because they think it's against Islam.

Pingfah

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

VivaPalestina wrote:

It is not anymore part of Yemeni culture than Rabbis sucking the tips of penises of babies and transmitting herpes is part of the Jewish culture.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/07/health/ne ... index.html

The practice of child brides and prostitution which is practiced by countries throughout Asia and Africa and yes, event the US is a sad and disturbing result of socioeconomic factors,

on child brides:

"Early marriage is a brutal curtailment of childhood and a violation of children's rights, yet many parents around the world believe it is the best possible way to ensure their daughters are looked after," said Hannah Stevenson, a policy advisor and co-author of the report.

She continued: "The public perception in the West is that these types of marriages are down to convention, but our research found that in most cases parents fear the child will starve or have no money, especially when have lost everything through war."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... eport.html

And Unicef on Child prostitution:

•The victims of trafficking or their caregivers are often seeking escape from poverty. The children most likely to be trafficked are girls, those from tribal groups and ethnic minorities, stateless people and refugees (according to the UN special rapporteur).
•Some children (or their parents) are lured by promises of education, a new skill or a "good job"; other children are kidnapped outright, taken from their home villages or towns and then bought and sold like commodities. Often they are crammed into boats or trucks without enough air, water or food. When their smugglers are threatened by discovery, the children may be abandoned or even killed. If they reach their destination, they end up in situations of forced labor, forced prostitution, domestic service or involuntary marriage. They are virtual slaves, who have been stripped of their human rights.
•Children who are trafficked lose contact with their families. They are taken into an entirely new situation, often to another country, to a place where they don't know anyone and don't speak the language. They are vulnerable to many kinds of abuse, including sexual abuse. It is difficult for them to seek help not just because they are children but because they are often illegal immigrants and have false documents or no documents.
•Boys who are trafficked in armed conflicts are usually used as soldiers, while girls are usually forced to be servants who are often used sexually by the soldiers as well.

http://asiasociety.org/policy/social-is ... f-response

Just for clarification... what was the intent of this post? The information is fine, but your preface sounds as if it is a rationalization of some sort. This isn't what you intended is it?

I believe he is saying that it is unfair to condemn a whole culture as "dog shit", when the reasons why parents give up their children go far beyond simple cultural tradition, and are in many cases down to extreme poverty, or fear that their children will suffer if they don't marry them into money. I don't believe he was trying to excuse the actions of this father killing his child though, that's a quite different issue to the topic of the thread.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Pingfah wrote:

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

VivaPalestina wrote:

It is not anymore part of Yemeni culture than Rabbis sucking the tips of penises of babies and transmitting herpes is part of the Jewish culture.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/07/health/ne ... index.html

The practice of child brides and prostitution which is practiced by countries throughout Asia and Africa and yes, event the US is a sad and disturbing result of socioeconomic factors,

on child brides:

"Early marriage is a brutal curtailment of childhood and a violation of children's rights, yet many parents around the world believe it is the best possible way to ensure their daughters are looked after," said Hannah Stevenson, a policy advisor and co-author of the report.

She continued: "The public perception in the West is that these types of marriages are down to convention, but our research found that in most cases parents fear the child will starve or have no money, especially when have lost everything through war."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... eport.html

And Unicef on Child prostitution:

•The victims of trafficking or their caregivers are often seeking escape from poverty. The children most likely to be trafficked are girls, those from tribal groups and ethnic minorities, stateless people and refugees (according to the UN special rapporteur).
•Some children (or their parents) are lured by promises of education, a new skill or a "good job"; other children are kidnapped outright, taken from their home villages or towns and then bought and sold like commodities. Often they are crammed into boats or trucks without enough air, water or food. When their smugglers are threatened by discovery, the children may be abandoned or even killed. If they reach their destination, they end up in situations of forced labor, forced prostitution, domestic service or involuntary marriage. They are virtual slaves, who have been stripped of their human rights.
•Children who are trafficked lose contact with their families. They are taken into an entirely new situation, often to another country, to a place where they don't know anyone and don't speak the language. They are vulnerable to many kinds of abuse, including sexual abuse. It is difficult for them to seek help not just because they are children but because they are often illegal immigrants and have false documents or no documents.
•Boys who are trafficked in armed conflicts are usually used as soldiers, while girls are usually forced to be servants who are often used sexually by the soldiers as well.

http://asiasociety.org/policy/social-is ... f-response

Just for clarification... what was the intent of this post? The information is fine, but your preface sounds as if it is a rationalization of some sort. This isn't what you intended is it?

I believe he is saying that it is unfair to condemn a whole culture as "dog shit", when the reasons why parents give up their children go far beyond simple cultural tradition, and are in many cases down to extreme poverty, or fear that their children will suffer if they don't marry them into money. I don't believe he was trying to excuse the actions of this father killing his child though.

But yeah, it's much easier not to concern ourselves with any facts, and to just casually dismiss their entire culture without making any attempt to understand what is going on.

Slow down, Champ.

If that is what he's saying, then he can say it. You've explained the reasons why a family would sell their daughter at 8 years of age to a man, but you haven't bothered to explain why a grown man would be motivated to take an 8 year old bride?

On both accounts... I'd have to say that's a little messed for my way of thinking, but if you are saying that this is something deeper than 'a little messed' and that we should not be scornful... well okay then.

Pingfah

Yes apologies, I made an edit there while you were replying. I thought my tone a little too combative. Sorry about that.

People take young brides because there are sick people in the world, you can find them in each and every culture, by no means is it limited to Islamic countries, there are plenty of pedophiles in the USA.

I seriously doubt many parents want to give up their child, especially to somebody who wants an 8 year old bride, but still believe that the alternative of starving, or being kidnapped into slavery may be even worse.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Pingfah wrote:

Yes apologies, I made an edit there while you were replying. I thought my tone a little too combative. Sorry about that.

People take young brides because there are sick people in the world, you can find them in each and every culture, by no means is it limited to Islamic countries, there are plenty of pedophiles in the USA.

I seriously doubt many parents want to give up their child, especially to somebody who wants an 8 year old bride, but still believe that the alternative of starving, or being kidnapped into slavery may be even worse.

No problems. I'm certainly guilty of that myself sometimes and I'd hate for anyone to hang me on my well-intended, but strong words. We are all on this forum because we care.