Yes. I too laughed coffee out of my nostrils when reading that particular assertion.
Looking back on it though... yikes. This is what environmentalists actually have to go up against. No wonder it's kind of slow going making the necessary improvements to maintain this world.
yes ... feel our pain!! ... that's why i have a condescending attitude on here! ...
Of all the ridiculous claims I have heard made on this topic, "the polar bears are thriving" is in the lead for worst.
I think he receives hand written letters -- "We're doing great this year..the snow is everywhere and we have tons of food. Little Timmy is off to polar bear college and papa bear has cut back on his drinking...brrr it's so nice, come for a visit!"
Wait a minute... when did polar bears learn to write? Did I miss something?
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Of all the ridiculous claims I have heard made on this topic, "the polar bears are thriving" is in the lead for worst.
I think he receives hand written letters -- "We're doing great this year..the snow is everywhere and we have tons of food. Little Timmy is off to polar bear college and papa bear has cut back on his drinking...brrr it's so nice, come for a visit!"
Wait a minute... when did polar bears learn to write? Did I miss something?
Its amazing what animals can learn when they're "thriving."
Of all the ridiculous claims I have heard made on this topic, "the polar bears are thriving" is in the lead for worst.
I think he receives hand written letters -- "We're doing great this year..the snow is everywhere and we have tons of food. Little Timmy is off to polar bear college and papa bear has cut back on his drinking...brrr it's so nice, come for a visit!"
Wait a minute... when did polar bears learn to write? Did I miss something?
After they learned to drink Coca Cola, life skyrocketed for them ever since.
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You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense
I think he receives hand written letters -- "We're doing great this year..the snow is everywhere and we have tons of food. Little Timmy is off to polar bear college and papa bear has cut back on his drinking...brrr it's so nice, come for a visit!"
Wait a minute... when did polar bears learn to write? Did I miss something?
After they learned to drink Coca Cola, life skyrocketed for them ever since.
I think he receives hand written letters -- "We're doing great this year..the snow is everywhere and we have tons of food. Little Timmy is off to polar bear college and papa bear has cut back on his drinking...brrr it's so nice, come for a visit!"
Wait a minute... when did polar bears learn to write? Did I miss something?
Its amazing what animals can learn when they're "thriving."
Not only thriving but upwardly mobile too! A family of polar bears just bought a house on my street this week. They had to move because the ice was melting in their old neighborhood but no worries. We have better schools.
Great interactive photos! Using your mouse to move the sliders side to side you really get the picture regarding what is happening to these glaciers. I'd never seen these photos using this technique. Thanks for posting them, TBU.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
as luck would have it I just watched "how the earth was made"
very very cool, so the earth and climate has been changing for billions of years,it's gone from total ocean to pangia
to solid ice at least a mile thick which was changed when moltin movment began under the earths crust pushing up to the surface and moving(in circular motion around the earth) the tectonic plates and even pushing plates back under the earths crust...but any way this is still happening today and in the very distant future this earth will be wast land unfit for humans once again kind of like Mars is today so all this makes it hard for me to believe that man made pollution will speed up that process or slow it down, not to say pollution is not a problem for man just that what is happen inside the earth that is changing the surface and climate is not affected by man made pollution....it in a sense is a huge self propelled machine and pollution in my opinion has little to no affect on its process/movment.
Great interactive photos! Using your mouse to move the sliders side to side you really get the picture regarding what is happening to these glaciers. I'd never seen these photos using this technique. Thanks for posting them, TBU.
as luck would have it I just watched "how the earth was made"
very very cool, so the earth and climate has been changing for billions of years,it's gone from total ocean to pangia
to solid ice at least a mile thick which was changed when moltin movment began under the earths crust pushing up to the surface and moving(in circular motion around the earth) the tectonic plates and even pushing plates back under the earths crust...but any way this is still happening today and in the very distant future this earth will be wast land unfit for humans once again kind of like Mars is today so all this makes it hard for me to believe that man made pollution will speed up that process or slow it down, not to say pollution is not a problem for man just that what is happen inside the earth that is changing the surface and climate is not affected by man made pollution....it in a sense is a huge self propelled machine and pollution in my opinion has little to no affect on its process/movment.
Godfather.
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Great interactive photos! Using your mouse to move the sliders side to side you really get the picture regarding what is happening to these glaciers. I'd never seen these photos using this technique. Thanks for posting them, TBU.
No problem.
Just an ex-jock helping out his hippy friend!
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“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
as luck would have it I just watched "how the earth was made"
very very cool, so the earth and climate has been changing for billions of years,it's gone from total ocean to pangia
to solid ice at least a mile thick which was changed when moltin movment began under the earths crust pushing up to the surface and moving(in circular motion around the earth) the tectonic plates and even pushing plates back under the earths crust...but any way this is still happening today and in the very distant future this earth will be wast land unfit for humans once again kind of like Mars is today so all this makes it hard for me to believe that man made pollution will speed up that process or slow it down, not to say pollution is not a problem for man just that what is happen inside the earth that is changing the surface and climate is not affected by man made pollution....it in a sense is a huge self propelled machine and pollution in my opinion has little to no affect on its process/movment.
Godfather.
is it your intent to threatin me with a "interweb gun" I've given you facts,you can keep going with theory and fear as long as you like.....just don't point your interweb gun at me there big fella
as luck would have it I just watched "how the earth was made"
very very cool, so the earth and climate has been changing for billions of years,it's gone from total ocean to pangia
to solid ice at least a mile thick which was changed when moltin movment began under the earths crust pushing up to the surface and moving(in circular motion around the earth) the tectonic plates and even pushing plates back under the earths crust...but any way this is still happening today and in the very distant future this earth will be wast land unfit for humans once again kind of like Mars is today so all this makes it hard for me to believe that man made pollution will speed up that process or slow it down, not to say pollution is not a problem for man just that what is happen inside the earth that is changing the surface and climate is not affected by man made pollution....it in a sense is a huge self propelled machine and pollution in my opinion has little to no affect on its process/movment.
Godfather.
firstly ... you took a show that talked about geology and applied your same faulty logic ... the people that likely made the video would tell you that you are wrong in making that assumption ... you are not providing facts ... all you are doing is taking your false belief and repeating it ... there is no science in your argument ...
secondly ... why not actually watch a video on global warming? ... that's what we are talking about ...
as luck would have it I just watched "how the earth was made"
very very cool, so the earth and climate has been changing for billions of years,it's gone from total ocean to pangia
to solid ice at least a mile thick which was changed when moltin movment began under the earths crust pushing up to the surface and moving(in circular motion around the earth) the tectonic plates and even pushing plates back under the earths crust...but any way this is still happening today and in the very distant future this earth will be wast land unfit for humans once again kind of like Mars is today so all this makes it hard for me to believe that man made pollution will speed up that process or slow it down, not to say pollution is not a problem for man just that what is happen inside the earth that is changing the surface and climate is not affected by man made pollution....it in a sense is a huge self propelled machine and pollution in my opinion has little to no affect on its process/movment.
Godfather.
firstly ... you took a show that talked about geology and applied your same faulty logic ... the people that likely made the video would tell you that you are wrong in making that assumption ... you are not providing facts ... all you are doing is taking your false belief and repeating it ... there is no science in your argument ...
secondly ... why not actually watch a video on global warming? ... that's what we are talking about ...
no facts ?...you have just proven to me that your passion for this subject out weighs your logic.
as luck would have it I just watched "how the earth was made"
very very cool, so the earth and climate has been changing for billions of years,it's gone from total ocean to pangia
to solid ice at least a mile thick which was changed when moltin movment began under the earths crust pushing up to the surface and moving(in circular motion around the earth) the tectonic plates and even pushing plates back under the earths crust...but any way this is still happening today and in the very distant future this earth will be wast land unfit for humans once again kind of like Mars is today so all this makes it hard for me to believe that man made pollution will speed up that process or slow it down, not to say pollution is not a problem for man just that what is happen inside the earth that is changing the surface and climate is not affected by man made pollution....it in a sense is a huge self propelled machine and pollution in my opinion has little to no affect on its process/movment.
Godfather.
Godfather, it's true that the climate has changed much and numerous times over the life of the planet but we're talking changes that happen either very slowly or as a result of cataclysmic occurrences like huge asteroid strikes of massive volcanoes. Only once has the climate been changed by non-natural means- recent history and human influence- and that change is happening unnaturally quickly.
Also, you might want to think of it in terms other than pollution (even thought that is, basically, the problem). We think of pollution as dirt and soot. CO2 is clear and orderless. The unnatural concentrations of CO2 in the atmosphere is what is causing the greenhouse effect.
You're right in that the earth has and does change despite us, but our influence is marked and it is dangerous to our survival. That alone should be cause for concern and , if you care about other living things (which I suspect you do), it's not just about us. There is plenty of good, scientific information about all this- you don't have to get it from politicians, entertainers or die-hard- soap box preachers like me. Check out realclimate.org or Union of Concerned Scientists (uscusa.org) aor NASA's climate.nasa.gov for good, clear headed information on climate change.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Bill O'Rielly explained this best to his audience of conservatives about 4 years ago. He said he didn't care if Global Warming existed or not but the SMOG you see at every major city when you fly in is disgusting and can't be good for our health.
We should work to lower emissions for better air quality whether it helps the planet or not. Being Green will not HURT the planet. There's no debate on that.
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as luck would have it I just watched "how the earth was made"
very very cool, so the earth and climate has been changing for billions of years,it's gone from total ocean to pangia
to solid ice at least a mile thick which was changed when moltin movment began under the earths crust pushing up to the surface and moving(in circular motion around the earth) the tectonic plates and even pushing plates back under the earths crust...but any way this is still happening today and in the very distant future this earth will be wast land unfit for humans once again kind of like Mars is today so all this makes it hard for me to believe that man made pollution will speed up that process or slow it down, not to say pollution is not a problem for man just that what is happen inside the earth that is changing the surface and climate is not affected by man made pollution....it in a sense is a huge self propelled machine and pollution in my opinion has little to no affect on its process/movment.
Godfather.
Godfather, it's true that the climate has changed much and numerous times over the life of the planet but we're talking changes that happen either very slowly or as a result of cataclysmic occurrences like huge asteroid strikes of massive volcanoes. Only once has the climate been changed by non-natural means- recent history and human influence- and that change is happening unnaturally quickly.
Also, you might want to think of it in terms other than pollution (even thought that is, basically, the problem). We think of pollution as dirt and soot. CO2 is clear and orderless. The unnatural concentrations of CO2 in the atmosphere is what is causing the greenhouse effect.
You're right in that the earth has and does change despite us, but our influence is marked and it is dangerous to our survival. That alone should be cause for concern and , if you care about other living things (which I suspect you do), it's not just about us. There is plenty of good, scientific information about all this- you don't have to get it from politicians, entertainers or die-hard- soap box preachers like me. Check out realclimate.org or Union of Concerned Scientists (uscusa.org) aor NASA's climate.nasa.gov for good, clear headed information on climate change.
Can you rely on the weather forecast? Maybe not, at least when it comes to global warming predictions over short time periods.
That’s the upshot of a new study in the journal Nature Climate Change that compared 117 climate predictions made in the 1990's to the actual amount of warming. Out of 117 predictions, the study’s author told FoxNews.com, three were roughly accurate and 114 overestimated the amount of warming. On average, the predictions forecasted two times more global warming than actually occurred
no facts ?...you have just proven to me that your passion for this subject out weighs your logic.
Godfather.
please identify one fact ... that somehow disputes man made global warming ...
soo ... where is your facts?
I have already given you facts on the changing earth and I don't think that you can give rock solid proof that man made pollution is causing warming and cooling trends....you can give the opinions of others in scince but as for hard facts I don't believe it's possible, we are in the early stages of a cooling trend the warming trend is passing and it's not a result of man made pollution...not that can be proven with out doubt,the earth is constantly changing and goes thru patterns in climate changes but once again I agree pollution is not good for man.
I have already given you facts on the changing earth and I don't think that you can give rock solid proof that man made pollution is causing warming and cooling trends....you can give the opinions of others in scince but as for hard facts I don't believe it's possible, we are in the early stages of a cooling trend the warming trend is passing and it's not a result of man made pollution...not that can be proven with out doubt,the earth is constantly changing and goes thru patterns in climate changes but once again I agree pollution is not good for man.
Godfather.
where is your proof that we are in a cooling trend? ... to make a claim like that - you must have a chart or something?
the earth is changing - yes ... but that has nothing to do with global warming ... it's like you saying i'm aging but it has nothing to do with why i have cancer ...
if you don't believe the scientists that are telling you the facts ... then i guess - there is nothing to do about it ... but you have NOT given any facts to dispute global warming ... all you've done is taken your opinion on the matter and taken something that has no relevance and used it as your proof ...
polaris_x check this out I don't know that it's much but some cool stuff non the less.
Godfather.
Just found (Dec 09) CIA cooling report: "The western world's leadlng climatologists have confirmed reports of a detrimental global climatic change [cooling]. The stability of most nations is based upon a dependable source of food, but this stability will not be possible under the new cllmatic era. A forecast by the University of Wisconsin projects that the Earth's climate is returning to that of the neo·boreal era (1600-1850) - an era of drought, famine, and political unrest in the western world." (1974)
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I have felt your pain. Ouch.
As my Baba would say, "Oyy Yoy Yoy!"
Wait a minute... when did polar bears learn to write? Did I miss something?
Its amazing what animals can learn when they're "thriving."
After they learned to drink Coca Cola, life skyrocketed for them ever since.
You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense
And to the guy quoting Fox News for a science story? That's quite the oxymoron...
caffeine is a hell of a drug
Not only thriving but upwardly mobile too! A family of polar bears just bought a house on my street this week. They had to move because the ice was melting in their old neighborhood but no worries. We have better schools.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
Neat interactive pictures for you, Fear. Check them out.
http://grist.org/climate-energy/disappe ... -you-dont/
Great interactive photos! Using your mouse to move the sliders side to side you really get the picture regarding what is happening to these glaciers. I'd never seen these photos using this technique. Thanks for posting them, TBU.
very very cool, so the earth and climate has been changing for billions of years,it's gone from total ocean to pangia
to solid ice at least a mile thick which was changed when moltin movment began under the earths crust pushing up to the surface and moving(in circular motion around the earth) the tectonic plates and even pushing plates back under the earths crust...but any way this is still happening today and in the very distant future this earth will be wast land unfit for humans once again kind of like Mars is today so all this makes it hard for me to believe that man made pollution will speed up that process or slow it down, not to say pollution is not a problem for man just that what is happen inside the earth that is changing the surface and climate is not affected by man made pollution....it in a sense is a huge self propelled machine and pollution in my opinion has little to no affect on its process/movment.
Godfather.
No problem.
Just an ex-jock helping out his hippy friend!
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is it your intent to threatin me with a "interweb gun"
Godfather.
firstly ... you took a show that talked about geology and applied your same faulty logic ... the people that likely made the video would tell you that you are wrong in making that assumption ... you are not providing facts ... all you are doing is taking your false belief and repeating it ... there is no science in your argument ...
secondly ... why not actually watch a video on global warming? ... that's what we are talking about ...
no facts ?...you have just proven to me that your passion for this subject out weighs your logic.
Godfather.
Godfather, it's true that the climate has changed much and numerous times over the life of the planet but we're talking changes that happen either very slowly or as a result of cataclysmic occurrences like huge asteroid strikes of massive volcanoes. Only once has the climate been changed by non-natural means- recent history and human influence- and that change is happening unnaturally quickly.
Also, you might want to think of it in terms other than pollution (even thought that is, basically, the problem). We think of pollution as dirt and soot. CO2 is clear and orderless. The unnatural concentrations of CO2 in the atmosphere is what is causing the greenhouse effect.
You're right in that the earth has and does change despite us, but our influence is marked and it is dangerous to our survival. That alone should be cause for concern and , if you care about other living things (which I suspect you do), it's not just about us. There is plenty of good, scientific information about all this- you don't have to get it from politicians, entertainers or die-hard- soap box preachers like me. Check out realclimate.org or Union of Concerned Scientists (uscusa.org) aor NASA's climate.nasa.gov for good, clear headed information on climate change.
We should work to lower emissions for better air quality whether it helps the planet or not. Being Green will not HURT the planet. There's no debate on that.
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please identify one fact ... that somehow disputes man made global warming ...
thanks Brian will do tonight after work !
Godfather.
Godfather.
Can you rely on the weather forecast? Maybe not, at least when it comes to global warming predictions over short time periods.
That’s the upshot of a new study in the journal Nature Climate Change that compared 117 climate predictions made in the 1990's to the actual amount of warming. Out of 117 predictions, the study’s author told FoxNews.com, three were roughly accurate and 114 overestimated the amount of warming. On average, the predictions forecasted two times more global warming than actually occurred
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/science/2013/09/ ... z2ehPpbEfu
soo ... where is your facts?
I have already given you facts on the changing earth and I don't think that you can give rock solid proof that man made pollution is causing warming and cooling trends....you can give the opinions of others in scince but as for hard facts I don't believe it's possible, we are in the early stages of a cooling trend the warming trend is passing and it's not a result of man made pollution...not that can be proven with out doubt,the earth is constantly changing and goes thru patterns in climate changes but once again I agree pollution is not good for man.
Godfather.
where is your proof that we are in a cooling trend? ... to make a claim like that - you must have a chart or something?
the earth is changing - yes ... but that has nothing to do with global warming ... it's like you saying i'm aging but it has nothing to do with why i have cancer ...
if you don't believe the scientists that are telling you the facts ... then i guess - there is nothing to do about it ... but you have NOT given any facts to dispute global warming ... all you've done is taken your opinion on the matter and taken something that has no relevance and used it as your proof ...
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/least-one-dead ... 58932.html
Godfather.
Just found (Dec 09) CIA cooling report: "The western world's leadlng climatologists have confirmed reports of a detrimental global climatic change [cooling]. The stability of most nations is based upon a dependable source of food, but this stability will not be possible under the new cllmatic era. A forecast by the University of Wisconsin projects that the Earth's climate is returning to that of the neo·boreal era (1600-1850) - an era of drought, famine, and political unrest in the western world." (1974)
Godfather.