global cooling!

brianlux

lcusick wrote:

brianlux wrote:

fear4freedom wrote:

Well guess what the earth isnt warming and the effin weather is PROOF! Now you got it?

Ice caps are doing fine, polar bears are thriving! Will any of you admit that you over exaggerated the apocalyptic threat of man made global warming? EVER? Will any of you admit that you might be wrong about the extent of it?
Or how about the all the FEAR you put into society with it, will you admit you may have gone too far?

Cmon people admit the overuse of it! CMON

I hate to rain on your parade, f4f, but weather is not the same as climate. You might find the information found here on NASA's web site useful:

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/noaa- ... ather.html

What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?


The difference between weather and climate is a measure of time. Weather is what conditions of the atmosphere are over a short period of time, and climate is how the atmosphere "behaves" over relatively long periods of time.

When we talk about climate change, we talk about changes in long-term averages of daily weather. Today, children always hear stories from their parents and grandparents about how snow was always piled up to their waists as they trudged off to school. Children today in most areas of the country haven't experienced those kinds of dreadful snow-packed winters, except for the Northeastern U.S. in January 2005. The change in recent winter snows indicate that the climate has changed since their parents were young.

If summers seem hotter lately, then the recent climate may have changed. In various parts of the world, some people have even noticed that springtime comes earlier now than it did 30 years ago. An earlier springtime is indicative of a possible change in the climate.

When I was a kid, many moons ago, it snowed and stayed cold for the whole entire winter, We had many snow days, stayed home from school and would always build an ice skating rink in our backyard. It stayed cold enough to skate all winter. My junior and senior year of high school, we had so many snow days that we had to get permission from the state to not extend our school year in June. I live in the same area now and have experienced several winters with extremely fluctuating temperatures all winter long and not nearly as much precipitation. It has most definitely changed.

This reminds me of a story a woman told me. She grew up in Pollock Pines, CA (elevation 4,000 ft.) in the 50's. She said that, as a child, she experienced snow at that elevation at least one time in every calendar month of the year except August and that it was not unusual to get 10 feet of snow some winters. I've lived in or around that town for 16 years and I've never seen it snow there in June, July, August, September or October and the most I've ever seen in one month is 4 feet.

But that said, it's important to remember that local weather is not the same as global climate. However, you hear more stories like yours and my lady friend's than you do the reverse and global statistics prove global warming on a planetary level is both real and human activity related. It's too bad a few people still refuse to believe that.

JimmyV

Of all the ridiculous claims I have heard made on this topic, "the polar bears are thriving" is in the lead for worst.

Godfather.

so how much does air polution effict global warming ?...or cooling ? to be quite honest I don't believe anybody really knows if does or does not.

Godfather.


About a million more square miles of ocean are covered in ice in 2013 than in 2012, a whopping 60 percent increase -- and a dramatic deviation from predictions of an "ice-free Arctic in 2013," the Daily Mail noted.

Arctic sea ice averaged 2.35 million square miles in August 2013, as compared to the low point of 1.32 million square miles recorded on Sept. 16, 2012, according to the National Snow and Ice Data Center. A chart published Sept. 8 by NSIDC shows the dramatic rise this year, putting total ice cover within two standard deviations of the 30-year average.

Noting the year over year surge, one scientist even argued that "global cooling" was here



Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/science/2013/09/ ... z2eaDgjNDa

polaris_x

Godfather. wrote:

so how much does air polution effict global warming ?...or cooling ? to be quite honest I don't believe anybody really knows if does or does not.

Godfather.


About a million more square miles of ocean are covered in ice in 2013 than in 2012, a whopping 60 percent increase -- and a dramatic deviation from predictions of an "ice-free Arctic in 2013," the Daily Mail noted.

Arctic sea ice averaged 2.35 million square miles in August 2013, as compared to the low point of 1.32 million square miles recorded on Sept. 16, 2012, according to the National Snow and Ice Data Center. A chart published Sept. 8 by NSIDC shows the dramatic rise this year, putting total ice cover within two standard deviations of the 30-year average.

Noting the year over year surge, one scientist even argued that "global cooling" was here



Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/science/2013/09/ ... z2eaDgjNDa

first of all ... to your question about how air pollution affects global warming ... you'd have to understand what global warming is ... again - i'm sorry for the implicit tone here ... but essentially you're asking how does size of your house affect your heating bill ... the question in it of itself shows a lack of fundamental understanding of global warming ... so, to answer it would require one to explain the whole thing which like i've been saying at this stage - people should at least take 10 mins to go learn ...

secondly ... arctic sea ice is up this year however, that is only compared to last year ... but when compared to the long term trend - it's still on a major spike downwards ...

MayDay10

dignin

JimmyV wrote:

Of all the ridiculous claims I have heard made on this topic, "the polar bears are thriving" is in the lead for worst.

This has my vote

"Question is, does man create global warming from CO2 output that makes a hole in the atmosphere?"

It's hard to debate someone so out of their depth.

JonnyPistachio

JimmyV wrote:

Of all the ridiculous claims I have heard made on this topic, "the polar bears are thriving" is in the lead for worst.

I think he receives hand written letters --
"We're doing great this year..the snow is everywhere and we have tons of food. Little Timmy is off to polar bear college and papa bear has cut back on his drinking...brrr it's so nice, come for a visit!"

Thirty Bills Unpaid

dignin wrote:

JimmyV wrote:

Of all the ridiculous claims I have heard made on this topic, "the polar bears are thriving" is in the lead for worst.

This has my vote

"Question is, does man create global warming from CO2 output that makes a hole in the atmosphere?"

It's hard to debate someone so out of their depth.

Yes. I too laughed coffee out of my nostrils when reading that particular assertion.

Looking back on it though... yikes. This is what environmentalists actually have to go up against. No wonder it's kind of slow going making the necessary improvements to maintain this world.

Godfather.

polaris_x wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

so how much does air polution effict global warming ?...or cooling ? to be quite honest I don't believe anybody really knows if does or does not.

Godfather.


About a million more square miles of ocean are covered in ice in 2013 than in 2012, a whopping 60 percent increase -- and a dramatic deviation from predictions of an "ice-free Arctic in 2013," the Daily Mail noted.

Arctic sea ice averaged 2.35 million square miles in August 2013, as compared to the low point of 1.32 million square miles recorded on Sept. 16, 2012, according to the National Snow and Ice Data Center. A chart published Sept. 8 by NSIDC shows the dramatic rise this year, putting total ice cover within two standard deviations of the 30-year average.

Noting the year over year surge, one scientist even argued that "global cooling" was here



Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/science/2013/09/ ... z2eaDgjNDa

first of all ... to your question about how air pollution affects global warming ... you'd have to understand what global warming is ... again - i'm sorry for the implicit tone here ... but essentially you're asking how does size of your house affect your heating bill ... the question in it of itself shows a lack of fundamental understanding of global warming ... so, to answer it would require one to explain the whole thing which like i've been saying at this stage - people should at least take 10 mins to go learn ...

secondly ... arctic sea ice is up this year however, that is only compared to last year ... but when compared to the long term trend - it's still on a major spike downwards ...

sooo you really can't give me an answer.

Godfather.

polaris_x

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

Yes. I too laughed coffee out of my nostrils when reading that particular assertion.

Looking back on it though... yikes. This is what environmentalists actually have to go up against. No wonder it's kind of slow going making the necessary improvements to maintain this world.

yes ... feel our pain!! ... that's why i have a condescending attitude on here! ...

Thirty Bills Unpaid

polaris_x wrote:

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

Yes. I too laughed coffee out of my nostrils when reading that particular assertion.

Looking back on it though... yikes. This is what environmentalists actually have to go up against. No wonder it's kind of slow going making the necessary improvements to maintain this world.

yes ... feel our pain!! ... that's why i have a condescending attitude on here! ...

I have felt your pain. Ouch.

As my Baba would say, "Oyy Yoy Yoy!"

brianlux

JonnyPistachio wrote:

JimmyV wrote:

Of all the ridiculous claims I have heard made on this topic, "the polar bears are thriving" is in the lead for worst.

I think he receives hand written letters --
"We're doing great this year..the snow is everywhere and we have tons of food. Little Timmy is off to polar bear college and papa bear has cut back on his drinking...brrr it's so nice, come for a visit!"

Wait a minute... when did polar bears learn to write? Did I miss something?

JonnyPistachio

brianlux wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

JimmyV wrote:

Of all the ridiculous claims I have heard made on this topic, "the polar bears are thriving" is in the lead for worst.

I think he receives hand written letters --
"We're doing great this year..the snow is everywhere and we have tons of food. Little Timmy is off to polar bear college and papa bear has cut back on his drinking...brrr it's so nice, come for a visit!"

Wait a minute... when did polar bears learn to write? Did I miss something?

Its amazing what animals can learn when they're "thriving."

Guitar92player

brianlux wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

JimmyV wrote:

Of all the ridiculous claims I have heard made on this topic, "the polar bears are thriving" is in the lead for worst.

I think he receives hand written letters --
"We're doing great this year..the snow is everywhere and we have tons of food. Little Timmy is off to polar bear college and papa bear has cut back on his drinking...brrr it's so nice, come for a visit!"

Wait a minute... when did polar bears learn to write? Did I miss something?

After they learned to drink Coca Cola, life skyrocketed for them ever since.

brianlux

I'm glad we're finally having a serious discussion about global cooling!

backseatLover12

This thread REALLY has three pages? :fp:

And to the guy quoting Fox News for a science story? That's quite the oxymoron...

dignin

Guitar92player wrote:

brianlux wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

I think he receives hand written letters --
"We're doing great this year..the snow is everywhere and we have tons of food. Little Timmy is off to polar bear college and papa bear has cut back on his drinking...brrr it's so nice, come for a visit!"

Wait a minute... when did polar bears learn to write? Did I miss something?

After they learned to drink Coca Cola, life skyrocketed for them ever since.

caffeine is a hell of a drug

JimmyV

JonnyPistachio wrote:

brianlux wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

I think he receives hand written letters --
"We're doing great this year..the snow is everywhere and we have tons of food. Little Timmy is off to polar bear college and papa bear has cut back on his drinking...brrr it's so nice, come for a visit!"

Wait a minute... when did polar bears learn to write? Did I miss something?

Its amazing what animals can learn when they're "thriving."

Not only thriving but upwardly mobile too! A family of polar bears just bought a house on my street this week. They had to move because the ice was melting in their old neighborhood but no worries. We have better schools.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

These disappearing glaciers sure can't tell there's a 'cooling trend'.

Neat interactive pictures for you, Fear. Check them out.

http://grist.org/climate-energy/disappe ... -you-dont/

brianlux

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

These disappearing glaciers sure can't tell there's a 'cooling trend'.

Neat interactive pictures for you, Fear. Check them out.

http://grist.org/climate-energy/disappe ... -you-dont/

Great interactive photos! Using your mouse to move the sliders side to side you really get the picture regarding what is happening to these glaciers. I'd never seen these photos using this technique. Thanks for posting them, TBU.