global cooling!

fear4freedomfear4freedom Posts: 920
edited September 2013 in A Moving Train
The warming has paused since 1997 and this year is one of the coldest on record. The ice caps are growing and there is more ice in the Atlantic than in many years past. The Northwest Passage is blocked with ice and ships have had to rerout! AWESOME NEWS ISNT IT GUYS? I mean how could anyone not like this news? Especially those who care so much about our planet and all those who really want whats best for our planet. We should be rejoicing over this and feeling relieved. We should have a party in every city because we now know we arent going to warm each year until our apocolyptic deaths. WHEW! So who isnt happy about this? WHY? Is it really politics? Have you been indoctrinated and now feel played, used, abused? Did they really use this for political gain? If so, what are your thoughts about that tactic? Wouldnt that be the worst thing done to humans for a political purpose?

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  • The warming has paused since 1997 and this year is one of the coldest on record. The ice caps are growing and there is more ice in the Atlantic than in many years past. The Northwest Passage is blocked with ice and ships have had to rerout! AWESOME NEWS ISNT IT GUYS? I mean how could anyone not like this news? Especially those who care so much about our planet and all those who really want whats best for our planet. We should be rejoicing over this and feeling relieved. We should have a party in every city because we now know we arent going to warm each year until our apocolyptic deaths. WHEW! So who isnt happy about this? WHY? Is it really politics? Have you been indoctrinated and now feel played, used, abused? Did they really use this for political gain? If so, what are your thoughts about that tactic? Wouldnt that be the worst thing done to humans for a political purpose?

    Well enjoy!

    it would be nice if you had a sweet clue about the subject you so emphatically try to debunk.
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  • The warming has paused since 1997 and this year is one of the coldest on record. The ice caps are growing and there is more ice in the Atlantic than in many years past. The Northwest Passage is blocked with ice and ships have had to rerout! AWESOME NEWS ISNT IT GUYS? I mean how could anyone not like this news? Especially those who care so much about our planet and all those who really want whats best for our planet. We should be rejoicing over this and feeling relieved. We should have a party in every city because we now know we arent going to warm each year until our apocolyptic deaths. WHEW! So who isnt happy about this? WHY? Is it really politics? Have you been indoctrinated and now feel played, used, abused? Did they really use this for political gain? If so, what are your thoughts about that tactic? Wouldnt that be the worst thing done to humans for a political purpose?

    Well enjoy!

    it would be nice if you had a sweet clue about the subject you so emphatically try to debunk.

    ah was i trying to debunk global warming OR was i promoting global cooling"? LOL
    Theres no time like the present

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  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    Too bad we couldn't keep the global warming/climate change/global cooling to just one thread ... Just sayin.
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  • lukin2006 wrote:
    Too bad we couldn't keep the global warming/climate change/global cooling to just one thread ... Just sayin.

    Where are the global cooling threads? I believe this is the first of its kind in title.
    Theres no time like the present

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  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    lukin2006 wrote:
    Too bad we couldn't keep the global warming/climate change/global cooling to just one thread ... Just sayin.

    Where are the global cooling threads? I believe this is the first of its kind in title.

    your right probably the first, probably the last.
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  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    except none of his statements are true ... frig - i could debunk anything if facts weren't an issue ...
  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    Why are we debating whether the climate has changed ... it has changed no doubt about.

    Unfortunately if we can't even get humans to clean up after themselves by using proper waste containers I think we are along ways away from even getting serious about climate change. Throwing garbage away properly is quite simply the easiest thing to do and yet so many people can't even do that.
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  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,172
    lukin2006 wrote:

    your right probably the first, probably the last.

    :lol:
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  • lukin2006 wrote:
    Why are we debating whether the climate has changed ... it has changed no doubt about.

    Unfortunately if we can't even get humans to clean up after themselves by using proper waste containers I think we are along ways away from even getting serious about climate change. Throwing garbage away properly is quite simply the easiest thing to do and yet so many people can't even do that.

    There is no debate here.

    Some people get their kicks saying things that belie logic and common sense for the single purpose of aggravating people.
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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    lukin2006 wrote:
    Why are we debating whether the climate has changed ... it has changed no doubt about.

    Unfortunately if we can't even get humans to clean up after themselves by using proper waste containers I think we are along ways away from even getting serious about climate change. Throwing garbage away properly is quite simply the easiest thing to do and yet so many people can't even do that.

    There is no debate here.

    Some people get their kicks saying things that belie logic and common sense for the single purpose of aggravating people.

    This is why I try not to post on most of OP's threads. They are never serious, just trying to stir the pot. But you got to admit they are worth a laugh.
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,615
    I for one dont believe it.

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  • Whats worse? Me being skeptical of man made global warming and the politics behind it, OR the ones using it for political gain? DUH

    Also, we would never debate climate change as it always has and always will change! Question is, does man create global warming from CO2 output that makes a hole in the atmosphere? Thats the question and the answer is NO!

    GOT IT??
    Theres no time like the present

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    All people need to do more on every level!
  • BinFrogBinFrog Posts: 7,309
    Whats worse? Me being skeptical of man made global warming and the politics behind it, OR the ones using it for political gain? DUH

    Also, we would never debate climate change as it always has and always will change! Question is, does man create global warming from CO2 output that makes a hole in the atmosphere? Thats the question and the answer is NO!

    GOT IT??


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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,052
    Whats worse? Me being skeptical of man made global warming and the politics behind it, OR the ones using it for political gain? DUH

    Definitely any politician using something they don't believe is true is worse than you being skeptical. Skepticism as a tool for learning is quite useful.
    Also, we would never debate climate change as it always has and always will change!

    No argument there. It is scientific fact that the earth's climate has changed many times over many millennia .
    Question is, does man create global warming from CO2 output that makes a hole in the atmosphere?

    Where did you hear that? Are you confusing global warming with ozone layer breakdown?
    That's the question and the answer is NO!

    GOT IT??

    No, sorry, I don't get it. I think you're confusing two issues: anthropogenic global warming created by excess CO2 being pumped into the atmosphere and holes in the ozone create by humans releasing primarily CFCs and other related halocarbons.
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  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Whats worse? Me being skeptical of man made global warming and the politics behind it, OR the ones using it for political gain? DUH

    Also, we would never debate climate change as it always has and always will change! Question is, does man create global warming from CO2 output that makes a hole in the atmosphere? Thats the question and the answer is NO!

    GOT IT??

    you could try using facts to argue your position ... do you realize pretty much everything you posted in your initial post is false!? ... i'm guessing you don't ... which begs the question - where did you get that information from and secondly - if you actually believe all that stuff ... what other stuff do you believe?
  • Well guess what the earth isnt warming and the effin weather is PROOF! Now you got it?

    Ice caps are doing fine, polar bears are thriving! Will any of you admit that you over exaggerated the apocalyptic threat of man made global warming? EVER? Will any of you admit that you might be wrong about the extent of it?
    Or how about the all the FEAR you put into society with it, will you admit you may have gone too far?

    Cmon people admit the overuse of it! CMON
    Theres no time like the present

    A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!

    All people need to do more on every level!
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,052
    Well guess what the earth isnt warming and the effin weather is PROOF! Now you got it?

    Ice caps are doing fine, polar bears are thriving! Will any of you admit that you over exaggerated the apocalyptic threat of man made global warming? EVER? Will any of you admit that you might be wrong about the extent of it?
    Or how about the all the FEAR you put into society with it, will you admit you may have gone too far?

    Cmon people admit the overuse of it! CMON

    I hate to rain on your parade, f4f, but weather is not the same as climate. You might find the information found here on NASA's web site useful:

    http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/noaa- ... ather.html

    What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?


    The difference between weather and climate is a measure of time. Weather is what conditions of the atmosphere are over a short period of time, and climate is how the atmosphere "behaves" over relatively long periods of time.

    When we talk about climate change, we talk about changes in long-term averages of daily weather. Today, children always hear stories from their parents and grandparents about how snow was always piled up to their waists as they trudged off to school. Children today in most areas of the country haven't experienced those kinds of dreadful snow-packed winters, except for the Northeastern U.S. in January 2005. The change in recent winter snows indicate that the climate has changed since their parents were young.

    If summers seem hotter lately, then the recent climate may have changed. In various parts of the world, some people have even noticed that springtime comes earlier now than it did 30 years ago. An earlier springtime is indicative of a possible change in the climate.
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  • arqarq Posts: 8,033
    This is sad, "debunking" global warming... I'm debunking gravity because I jumped 8" above the ground! Scientist stop spreading your lies about gravity, we all can fly, let's jump out the Empire State!
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  • Well guess what the earth isnt warming and the effin weather is PROOF! Now you got it?

    Ice caps are doing fine, polar bears are thriving! Will any of you admit that you over exaggerated the apocalyptic threat of man made global warming? EVER? Will any of you admit that you might be wrong about the extent of it?
    Or how about the all the FEAR you put into society with it, will you admit you may have gone too far?

    Cmon people admit the overuse of it! CMON

    I can't be sure why I'm even engaging this ridiculousness, but here goes:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_bears#Climate_change

    Climate change

    The IUCN, Arctic Climate Impact Assessment, United States Geological Survey and many leading polar bear biologists have expressed grave concerns about the impact of climate change, including the belief that the current warming trend imperils the survival of the species.[26][130][131][132][133][134]

    The key danger posed by climate change is malnutrition or starvation due to habitat loss. Polar bears hunt seals from a platform of sea ice. Rising temperatures cause the sea ice to melt earlier in the year, driving the bears to shore before they have built sufficient fat reserves to survive the period of scarce food in the late summer and early fall.[94] Reduction in sea-ice cover also forces bears to swim longer distances, which further depletes their energy stores and occasionally leads to drowning.[135] Thinner sea ice tends to deform more easily, which appears to make it more difficult for polar bears to access seals.[58] Insufficient nourishment leads to lower reproductive rates in adult females and lower survival rates in cubs and juvenile bears, in addition to poorer body condition in bears of all ages.[26]
    Mothers and cubs have high nutritional requirements, which are not met if the seal-hunting season is too short.

    In addition to creating nutritional stress, a warming climate is expected to affect various other aspects of polar bear life: Changes in sea ice affect the ability of pregnant females to build suitable maternity dens.[23] As the distance increases between the pack ice and the coast, females must swim longer distances to reach favored denning areas on land.[26] Thawing of permafrost would affect the bears who traditionally den underground, and warm winters could result in den roofs collapsing or having reduced insulative value.[26] For the polar bears that currently den on multi-year ice, increased ice mobility may result in longer distances for mothers and young cubs to walk when they return to seal-hunting areas in the spring.[26] Disease-causing bacteria and parasites would flourish more readily in a warmer climate.[58]

    Problematic interactions between polar bears and humans, such as foraging by bears in garbage dumps, have historically been more prevalent in years when ice-floe breakup occurred early and local polar bears were relatively thin.[130] Increased human-bear interactions, including fatal attacks on humans, are likely to increase as the sea ice shrinks and hungry bears try to find food on land.[130][136]

    The effects of climate change are most profound in the southern part of the polar bear's range, and this is indeed where significant degradation of local populations has been observed.[134] The Western Hudson Bay subpopulation, in a southern part of the range, also happens to be one of the best-studied polar bear subpopulations. This subpopulation feeds heavily on ringed seals in late spring, when newly weaned and easily hunted seal pups are abundant.[123] The late spring hunting season ends for polar bears when the ice begins to melt and break up, and they fast or eat little during the summer until the sea freezes again.[123]

    Due to warming air temperatures, ice-floe breakup in western Hudson Bay is currently occurring three weeks earlier than it did 30 years ago, reducing the duration of the polar bear feeding season.[123] The body condition of polar bears has declined during this period; the average weight of lone (and likely pregnant) female polar bears was approximately 290 kg (640 lb) in 1980 and 230 kg (510 lb) in 2004.[123] Between 1987 and 2004, the Western Hudson Bay population declined by 22%.[137]

    In Alaska, the effects of sea ice shrinkage have contributed to higher mortality rates in polar bear cubs, and have led to changes in the denning locations of pregnant females.[93][138] In recent years, polar bears in the Arctic have undertaken longer than usual swims to find prey, resulting in four recorded drownings in the unusually large ice pack regression of 2005.[135]
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  • lcusicklcusick Posts: 310
    brianlux wrote:
    Well guess what the earth isnt warming and the effin weather is PROOF! Now you got it?

    Ice caps are doing fine, polar bears are thriving! Will any of you admit that you over exaggerated the apocalyptic threat of man made global warming? EVER? Will any of you admit that you might be wrong about the extent of it?
    Or how about the all the FEAR you put into society with it, will you admit you may have gone too far?

    Cmon people admit the overuse of it! CMON

    I hate to rain on your parade, f4f, but weather is not the same as climate. You might find the information found here on NASA's web site useful:

    http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/noaa- ... ather.html

    What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?


    The difference between weather and climate is a measure of time. Weather is what conditions of the atmosphere are over a short period of time, and climate is how the atmosphere "behaves" over relatively long periods of time.

    When we talk about climate change, we talk about changes in long-term averages of daily weather. Today, children always hear stories from their parents and grandparents about how snow was always piled up to their waists as they trudged off to school. Children today in most areas of the country haven't experienced those kinds of dreadful snow-packed winters, except for the Northeastern U.S. in January 2005. The change in recent winter snows indicate that the climate has changed since their parents were young.

    If summers seem hotter lately, then the recent climate may have changed. In various parts of the world, some people have even noticed that springtime comes earlier now than it did 30 years ago. An earlier springtime is indicative of a possible change in the climate.

    When I was a kid, many moons ago, it snowed and stayed cold for the whole entire winter, We had many snow days, stayed home from school and would always build an ice skating rink in our backyard. It stayed cold enough to skate all winter. My junior and senior year of high school, we had so many snow days that we had to get permission from the state to not extend our school year in June. I live in the same area now and have experienced several winters with extremely fluctuating temperatures all winter long and not nearly as much precipitation. It has most definitely changed.
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,052
    lcusick wrote:
    brianlux wrote:
    Well guess what the earth isnt warming and the effin weather is PROOF! Now you got it?

    Ice caps are doing fine, polar bears are thriving! Will any of you admit that you over exaggerated the apocalyptic threat of man made global warming? EVER? Will any of you admit that you might be wrong about the extent of it?
    Or how about the all the FEAR you put into society with it, will you admit you may have gone too far?

    Cmon people admit the overuse of it! CMON

    I hate to rain on your parade, f4f, but weather is not the same as climate. You might find the information found here on NASA's web site useful:

    http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/noaa- ... ather.html

    What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?


    The difference between weather and climate is a measure of time. Weather is what conditions of the atmosphere are over a short period of time, and climate is how the atmosphere "behaves" over relatively long periods of time.

    When we talk about climate change, we talk about changes in long-term averages of daily weather. Today, children always hear stories from their parents and grandparents about how snow was always piled up to their waists as they trudged off to school. Children today in most areas of the country haven't experienced those kinds of dreadful snow-packed winters, except for the Northeastern U.S. in January 2005. The change in recent winter snows indicate that the climate has changed since their parents were young.

    If summers seem hotter lately, then the recent climate may have changed. In various parts of the world, some people have even noticed that springtime comes earlier now than it did 30 years ago. An earlier springtime is indicative of a possible change in the climate.

    When I was a kid, many moons ago, it snowed and stayed cold for the whole entire winter, We had many snow days, stayed home from school and would always build an ice skating rink in our backyard. It stayed cold enough to skate all winter. My junior and senior year of high school, we had so many snow days that we had to get permission from the state to not extend our school year in June. I live in the same area now and have experienced several winters with extremely fluctuating temperatures all winter long and not nearly as much precipitation. It has most definitely changed.

    This reminds me of a story a woman told me. She grew up in Pollock Pines, CA (elevation 4,000 ft.) in the 50's. She said that, as a child, she experienced snow at that elevation at least one time in every calendar month of the year except August and that it was not unusual to get 10 feet of snow some winters. I've lived in or around that town for 16 years and I've never seen it snow there in June, July, August, September or October and the most I've ever seen in one month is 4 feet.

    But that said, it's important to remember that local weather is not the same as global climate. However, you hear more stories like yours and my lady friend's than you do the reverse and global statistics prove global warming on a planetary level is both real and human activity related. It's too bad a few people still refuse to believe that.
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  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,172
    Of all the ridiculous claims I have heard made on this topic, "the polar bears are thriving" is in the lead for worst.
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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    so how much does air polution effict global warming ?...or cooling ? to be quite honest I don't believe anybody really knows if does or does not.

    Godfather.


    About a million more square miles of ocean are covered in ice in 2013 than in 2012, a whopping 60 percent increase -- and a dramatic deviation from predictions of an "ice-free Arctic in 2013," the Daily Mail noted.

    Arctic sea ice averaged 2.35 million square miles in August 2013, as compared to the low point of 1.32 million square miles recorded on Sept. 16, 2012, according to the National Snow and Ice Data Center. A chart published Sept. 8 by NSIDC shows the dramatic rise this year, putting total ice cover within two standard deviations of the 30-year average.

    Noting the year over year surge, one scientist even argued that "global cooling" was here



    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/science/2013/09/ ... z2eaDgjNDa
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Godfather. wrote:
    so how much does air polution effict global warming ?...or cooling ? to be quite honest I don't believe anybody really knows if does or does not.

    Godfather.


    About a million more square miles of ocean are covered in ice in 2013 than in 2012, a whopping 60 percent increase -- and a dramatic deviation from predictions of an "ice-free Arctic in 2013," the Daily Mail noted.

    Arctic sea ice averaged 2.35 million square miles in August 2013, as compared to the low point of 1.32 million square miles recorded on Sept. 16, 2012, according to the National Snow and Ice Data Center. A chart published Sept. 8 by NSIDC shows the dramatic rise this year, putting total ice cover within two standard deviations of the 30-year average.

    Noting the year over year surge, one scientist even argued that "global cooling" was here



    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/science/2013/09/ ... z2eaDgjNDa

    first of all ... to your question about how air pollution affects global warming ... you'd have to understand what global warming is ... again - i'm sorry for the implicit tone here ... but essentially you're asking how does size of your house affect your heating bill ... the question in it of itself shows a lack of fundamental understanding of global warming ... so, to answer it would require one to explain the whole thing which like i've been saying at this stage - people should at least take 10 mins to go learn ...

    secondly ... arctic sea ice is up this year however, that is only compared to last year ... but when compared to the long term trend - it's still on a major spike downwards ...

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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    edited September 2013
    JimmyV wrote:
    Of all the ridiculous claims I have heard made on this topic, "the polar bears are thriving" is in the lead for worst.

    This has my vote

    "Question is, does man create global warming from CO2 output that makes a hole in the atmosphere?"

    It's hard to debate someone so out of their depth.
    Post edited by dignin on
  • JimmyV wrote:
    Of all the ridiculous claims I have heard made on this topic, "the polar bears are thriving" is in the lead for worst.

    I think he receives hand written letters --
    "We're doing great this year..the snow is everywhere and we have tons of food. Little Timmy is off to polar bear college and papa bear has cut back on his drinking...brrr it's so nice, come for a visit!"
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  • dignin wrote:
    JimmyV wrote:
    Of all the ridiculous claims I have heard made on this topic, "the polar bears are thriving" is in the lead for worst.

    This has my vote

    "Question is, does man create global warming from CO2 output that makes a hole in the atmosphere?"

    It's hard to debate someone so out of their depth.

    Yes. I too laughed coffee out of my nostrils when reading that particular assertion.

    Looking back on it though... yikes. This is what environmentalists actually have to go up against. No wonder it's kind of slow going making the necessary improvements to maintain this world.
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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    polaris_x wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    so how much does air polution effict global warming ?...or cooling ? to be quite honest I don't believe anybody really knows if does or does not.

    Godfather.


    About a million more square miles of ocean are covered in ice in 2013 than in 2012, a whopping 60 percent increase -- and a dramatic deviation from predictions of an "ice-free Arctic in 2013," the Daily Mail noted.

    Arctic sea ice averaged 2.35 million square miles in August 2013, as compared to the low point of 1.32 million square miles recorded on Sept. 16, 2012, according to the National Snow and Ice Data Center. A chart published Sept. 8 by NSIDC shows the dramatic rise this year, putting total ice cover within two standard deviations of the 30-year average.

    Noting the year over year surge, one scientist even argued that "global cooling" was here



    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/science/2013/09/ ... z2eaDgjNDa

    first of all ... to your question about how air pollution affects global warming ... you'd have to understand what global warming is ... again - i'm sorry for the implicit tone here ... but essentially you're asking how does size of your house affect your heating bill ... the question in it of itself shows a lack of fundamental understanding of global warming ... so, to answer it would require one to explain the whole thing which like i've been saying at this stage - people should at least take 10 mins to go learn ...

    secondly ... arctic sea ice is up this year however, that is only compared to last year ... but when compared to the long term trend - it's still on a major spike downwards ...

    Figure31-350x261.png

    sooo you really can't give me an answer.

    Godfather.
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Yes. I too laughed coffee out of my nostrils when reading that particular assertion.

    Looking back on it though... yikes. This is what environmentalists actually have to go up against. No wonder it's kind of slow going making the necessary improvements to maintain this world.

    yes ... feel our pain!! ... that's why i have a condescending attitude on here! ... :lol:
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