I personally do believe the rebels used the gas. Some (or all?) are affiliated with al Queda so I wouldn't doubt they did it to bring the US to help them (and at the same time we screw ourselves by starting a bigger conflict, which would distract us from al Queda growing elsewhere).
If Obama does something, I do not think he would be the worse than Bush, in my opinion. Bush sent our soldiers to fight a stupid war that took too many years to "accomplish" and we were focusing on the wrong place. I think this potential Syria war would be a stupid war too, but I am at least glad Obama doesn't want to aid the rebels by sending ground troops. But if Obama does anything to Syria then his presidency is officially doomed. He will be officially hated by all and he will be hated just as much as Congress. I personally won't hate him cuz I respect all the Presidents and I am not paranoid and think he is just out to screw everyone, but I will be ultimately disappointed in him.
Also, he would never get a UN resolution due to Russia. The only way to due it is "illegally" sadly.
Sorry but if Obama does this without US Congress or UN resolutions, he will be wayyyyy worse than Bush!
Bush got 17 resolutions and approval from Congress! Whether you like him or hate him, HE DID!
Lol, except that bush lied his ass off to get you involved. In this case the regime actually does have weapons of mass destruction. Bush is a war criminal, pure and simple. Oh an feeling the rebels were behind the attack does not make it so, evidence suggests otherwise.
It's not about being way worse than anyone, you guys really are in a race to the bottom...
Obama is the greatest politician ever. He acts, says, and supports with the wind. He lies constantly and has no moral compass.
Obama ignores foreign issues so he can pursue domestic ones.
Obama is determined to "fundamentally transform America" so there is an equal outcome for everybody: he disagrees with the concept of equal opportunity and is in the processes of spreading the wealth.
Isreal needs to continue being quiet and the rest of the region needs to get on with fighting their sectarian religious war. Arab League needs to step the fuck up and deal with it.
israel wants to get it on with iran. they are hoping that we go into syria because then they will have an excuse to get involved because the region would be even more destabilized..
Gimmie is correct. I believe we let this shit drag on for 3 years so syria would be so depleted that when Israel and America decided it was the right time to attack Iran. This way Iran doesn't have syrias help. They'd be dealing with there own shit. Problem is, when this happens, Russias not gonna sit idle and let our great imperialistic country have it all.
Who would've ever thought that 2 jerkoffs who were soooooo ANTI-WAR running for the presidency would turn out to being HUGE war supporters! Like I said before, this shits planned and these clowns are all in bed with each other. Sad thing is that these guys are supposed to be working for the people, but the people they're working for have a little copy write logo next to there names. They DNT nor have they ever cared about there people. When you get one that actually does care, they end up with an eternal flame on top of there graves.
We're all prisoners in this world. Who would've ever thought we'd be on the verge of WW3 and Obama would be the leader in command? Amazing, were letting this happen to us AGAIN. Sucked into ANOTHER war! We need to change our name to the United States of WARS. Cuz that's all we seem to want to do.
Who or whatever created us (aliens, god, whoever) def gave up on us. And honestly, so would I. Shame on the entire human race for allowing our planet to be hijacked by evil people that love nothing more to do then harm and kill people for laughs and $$$$$$$$.
if obama proceeds and does not follow the proper channels he should be impeached.
this is what the conservatives have had a boner for since 2009.
and john kerry is pathetic. he made a name for himself protesting war. look at him making the case for war now.
you can't be anti war and support "some" war when it is convenient for you..
What really pusses me off is that the international community was happy to stand by as 100000 people have been slaughtered, and now all the indignation. Blow them up, cool. Shoot them dead, cool. Gas them, uncool.
The moral standards of it all are laughable.
If America wants to stop people shooting each other they should probably start at home
Of all the quotes and policy positions of our President over the past 8 years, you would think that his stance regarding Syria, would be to host a global summit in Europe and find a diplomatic solution. Eddie Vedder once said that you could probably get 100 of the most powerful people of the world and put them in one room and noone leaves until its all worked out. If Obama bombs Syria unilaterally and without UN resolutions, he would be worse than any of our previous leaders! This is not going to happen, and if it does, Obama will not survive this one! I dont see how or why he would sacrifice the next two elections over this. Obama is playing with fire and risking his entire base!
What if the rebels used the chemical weapons?? WOW
?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
that's what i was wondering & scrolled through here hoping to see someone else see/read what i saw & read
President Barack Obama said Saturday he will seek authorization from Congress before launching any military action against the Syrian regime for allegedly using chemical weapons in a "crime against conscience" that killed 1,429 people.
"Over the last several days, we have heard from members of Congress who want their voices to be heard," Obama said. "I absolutely agree."
Obama, who described the alleged chemical attack as "an assault on human dignity" that "presents a serious danger to our national security," said any military involvement would be of "limited duration and scope."
"This would not be an open-ended intervention," he said. "We would not put boots on the ground."
Before revealing he would seek approval from Congress, the President made clear that "we are prepared to strike whenever we choose."
Strikes would be "effective tomorrow or next week or one month from now," Obama said, adding that he is "prepared to give that order."
The window for a potential U.S. attack on Syria opened as United Nations inspectors departed the anxious country ahead of schedule Saturday, less than a day after Secretary of State John Kerry delivered a forceful speech arguing America had a moral obligation to punish Assad's regime.
The possibility of U.S. strikes in the hours or days ahead cast a shadow over Damascus. As the army continued its shelling of rebel enclaves throughout the region, citizens fretted about the skyrocketing price — or sudden absence — of food, gasoline, and medical supplies.
Activists in the Syrian capital told NBC News that people in some Damascus neighborhoods waited seven hours on bread lines, and scooped up other essential items like rice, tea, and sugar in preparation for a strike. Some people who live in close proximity to possible targets like military installations and barracks have moved, the activists said.
Kerry on Friday made an impassioned case for U.S. military action against Syrian President Bashar al-Assad’s regime. Kerry argued that America has a moral obligation to punish Syria for allegedly using chemical weapons.
"History would judge us extraordinarily if we turned a blind eye to a dictator's wanton use of weapons of mass destruction against all warnings, against all common understanding of decency," Kerry said, after referring to Assad as a "thug and a murderer."
Kerry later said: "The world's most heinous weapons must never again be used against the world's most vulnerable people."
The White House released an intelligence report as Kerry spoke on Friday (.pdf) claiming “high confidence” that the Syrian regime had deployed chemical weapons. The report cited a “large body of independent sources” but acknowledged that not all the evidence of the alleged attack could be declassified. The information released by the government said the attack, carried out last week in the suburbs of Damascus, killed some 1,429 Syrians, including at least 426 children.
"Instead of being tucked safely in their beds at home," Kerry said, "we saw rows of children lying side by side, sprawled on a hospital floor, all of them dead from Assad's gas and surrounded by parents and grandparents who had suffered the same fate."
The Obama administration faces fierce opposition from many members of the U.S. Senate and wide swaths of the American public reluctant to become entangled in a Middle Eastern conflict just a decade after the U.S. invasion of Iraq.
Prior to Kerry's remarks, an NBC News poll showed that nearly 80 percent of Americans believed Obama should get a stamp of congressional approval before using force in Syria. Fifty percent of Americans believe the U.S. should not intervene altogether, according to the poll.
Diplomatic and political tensions heightened early Saturday as it became clearer that the U.S. may be prepared to bring the confrontation to a climax, despite a chorus of opposition from global partners and domestic constituents.
Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) decried Obama's plans for limited air strikes on Syria as "cosmetic" during an interview with Jay Leno on "The Tonight Show" on Friday, saying the failure of the U.S. to intervene in the country's bloody, brutal civil war was "shameful."
"The president apparently wants to have a kind of cosmetic strike, launch a few missiles and then say, 'Well, we responded.' This is the same president that, two years ago, said Bashar Assad had to go," McCain said.
Russian President Vladimir Putin meanwhile called on Obama not to act hastily, saying that while he was convinced last Wednesday’s lethal chemical attack was “just a provocation of those who want to drag other countries into a Syrian countries,” he believes U.S. officials should present any evidence to the contrary to the U.N. inspectors and the U.N. Security Council.
“If there is evidence, it must be provided,” Putin said Saturday. “If they are not provided, that means it’s not there.”
Putin is one of Assad’s stalwart allies — a fact that may account for why Kerry did not take the U.S. case for military intervention to the U.N. Security Council, where Russia has veto power. The Russian leader’s remarks were his first public comments on the unfolding crisis since the alleged Aug. 21 attack.
Britain, the most steadfast U.S. ally, rejected military action in a stunning vote Thursday night, delivering a dramatic blow to the Obama administration, which may have hoped to build a robust coalition of Western powers.
An administration official confirmed that Obama spoke Friday with British Prime Minister David Cameron as well as French President Francois Hollande, who has come out in support of international military action against the Assad regime.
The chemical attack “must not go unpunished,” Hollande told the French newspaper Le Monde. “Otherwise, it would be taking the risk of an escalation that would normalize the use of these weapons and threaten other countries.”
Senior U.S. officials Saturday will hold unclassified conference calls with the Senate Republican Conference and the Senate Democratic Caucus to continue consultations on potential U.S. military action, according to a White House official.
Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Martin Dempsey arrived at the White House on Saturday morning, a U.S. official confirmed.
All members of the House of Representatives have been invited to an in-person classified briefing regarding the Syria crisis on Sunday, according to an email sent to the House Republican Conference. The classified assessment on Syria was delivered to the Capitol on Friday night, the email to legislators said.
The U.N. weapons inspectors had spent three days this week traveling through violence-hit areas near Damascus and a fourth day meeting with patients at a government-run hospital. They concluded their investigation Friday and left Syria on Saturday through Lebanon.
The team of inspectors will begin “collating” soil samples collected during the investigation on Sunday, U.N. spokesman Martin Nesirky said at a press briefing Saturday.
Nesirky said that the notion that the early exit of the inspectors clears the path for U.S. strikes is "grotesque."
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
For a constitutional law professor this president doesn't know shit about the Constitution. It doesn't give him the authority to give Syria a spanking for being bad, nor does it give him the authority to do anything without Congressional approval since the US is not imminent threat of being attacked.
Who benefits from our participation? Only the defense (offense) contractors.
For a constitutional law professor this president doesn't know shit about the Constitution. It doesn't give him the authority to give Syria a spanking for being bad, nor does it give him the authority to do anything without Congressional approval since the US is not imminent threat of being attacked.
Who benefits from our participation? Only the defense (offense) contractors.
maybe... could it be... innocent women, children & men who do not deserve bathing in chemical weapons, yes/no?
For a constitutional law professor this president doesn't know shit about the Constitution. It doesn't give him the authority to give Syria a spanking for being bad, nor does it give him the authority to do anything without Congressional approval since the US is not imminent threat of being attacked.
Who benefits from our participation? Only the defense (offense) contractors.
Didn't he say he was going to get congressional approval today?
Saddam Hussein killed over 5000 people with saran gas, so what is so different about Assad's atrocity?
Bush also took his time in seeking approval from the entire world! Colin Powell was the pusher!
John Kerry sounds like Dick Cheney right now. wow!
??????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We mean what we say dont we there john kerry
love to see all the anti war dems wondering how their prince, or messiah could be talking like this, and going to do this
WTF is going on? Even Im surprised at this one
I'm not sure I'm getting what your point is. People on here have been very critical of Obama, which puts your messiah rubbish to bed.
One more time, bush is a war criminal, and as it stands Obama may have some questions to answer as well. Your partisan bollicks really is old. Go team America!!!
children killed in the chemical attack near Damascus was staged by U.S. Intelligence?
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
children killed in the chemical attack near Damascus was staged by U.S. Intelligence?
where is your proof? those emails are bullshit & prove nothing.
Well I haven't been there lately so no proof from me. Was just wondering if you guys had heard about this.....
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
Isreal needs to continue being quiet and the rest of the region needs to get on with fighting their sectarian religious war. Arab League needs to step the fuck up and deal with it.
israel wants to get it on with iran. they are hoping that we go into syria because then they will have an excuse to get involved because the region would be even more destabilized..
Gimmie is correct. I believe we let this shit drag on for 3 years so syria would be so depleted that when Israel and America decided it was the right time to attack Iran. This way Iran doesn't have syrias help. They'd be dealing with there own shit. Problem is, when this happens, Russias not gonna sit idle and let our great imperialistic country have it all.
Who would've ever thought that 2 jerkoffs who were soooooo ANTI-WAR running for the presidency would turn out to being HUGE war supporters! Like I said before, this shits planned and these clowns are all in bed with each other. Sad thing is that these guys are supposed to be working for the people, but the people they're working for have a little copy write logo next to there names. They DNT nor have they ever cared about there people. When you get one that actually does care, they end up with an eternal flame on top of there graves.
We're all prisoners in this world. Who would've ever thought we'd be on the verge of WW3 and Obama would be the leader in command? Amazing, were letting this happen to us AGAIN. Sucked into ANOTHER war! We need to change our name to the United States of WARS. Cuz that's all we seem to want to do.
Who or whatever created us (aliens, god, whoever) def gave up on us. And honestly, so would I. Shame on the entire human race for allowing our planet to be hijacked by evil people that love nothing more to do then harm and kill people for laughs and $$$$$$$$.
There are many that knew this President was all that he has turned out to be..You know who they are, The Tea Party, Conspiracy Theorist, all the crazy paranoid people, and The People that actually read Obama's books and the ones that payed attention to his speeches......If we could find someone to run America according to the Constitution and stop decimating it we could become the Great place that everyone wants to come to achieve the American Dream. The federal Reserve, Sorros Obama among others are pissing on our country and the ones that pay attention all knew this was going to happen.
We haven't seen nothing yet......
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
I do not trust any politicians: republican or democrat- they all lie!!!!!!! Sad times we live in.
One of the most intelligent post on this forum
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
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This will not bring anybody UP. This will bring us DOWN and level the world off.
Call me what you will...but I read his books and speeches.
Lol, except that bush lied his ass off to get you involved. In this case the regime actually does have weapons of mass destruction. Bush is a war criminal, pure and simple. Oh an feeling the rebels were behind the attack does not make it so, evidence suggests otherwise.
It's not about being way worse than anyone, you guys really are in a race to the bottom...
You going with your gut on this one?
Gimmie is correct. I believe we let this shit drag on for 3 years so syria would be so depleted that when Israel and America decided it was the right time to attack Iran. This way Iran doesn't have syrias help. They'd be dealing with there own shit. Problem is, when this happens, Russias not gonna sit idle and let our great imperialistic country have it all.
Who would've ever thought that 2 jerkoffs who were soooooo ANTI-WAR running for the presidency would turn out to being HUGE war supporters! Like I said before, this shits planned and these clowns are all in bed with each other. Sad thing is that these guys are supposed to be working for the people, but the people they're working for have a little copy write logo next to there names. They DNT nor have they ever cared about there people. When you get one that actually does care, they end up with an eternal flame on top of there graves.
We're all prisoners in this world. Who would've ever thought we'd be on the verge of WW3 and Obama would be the leader in command? Amazing, were letting this happen to us AGAIN. Sucked into ANOTHER war! We need to change our name to the United States of WARS. Cuz that's all we seem to want to do.
Who or whatever created us (aliens, god, whoever) def gave up on us. And honestly, so would I. Shame on the entire human race for allowing our planet to be hijacked by evil people that love nothing more to do then harm and kill people for laughs and $$$$$$$$.
What really pusses me off is that the international community was happy to stand by as 100000 people have been slaughtered, and now all the indignation. Blow them up, cool. Shoot them dead, cool. Gas them, uncool.
The moral standards of it all are laughable.
If America wants to stop people shooting each other they should probably start at home
Yeah, that whole taking over the government so it'll leave you alone concept is messed up.
the "if you have a fire, put that shit out yourself and fix your own highways" part is fucked up too.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
:geek:
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Yeah, that would be, if it were true.
Godfather.
I'm hardly a supporter. But we know who the haters are.
Obama will seek authorization from Congress before any military action against Syria
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013 ... syria?lite
President Barack Obama said Saturday he will seek authorization from Congress before launching any military action against the Syrian regime for allegedly using chemical weapons in a "crime against conscience" that killed 1,429 people.
"Over the last several days, we have heard from members of Congress who want their voices to be heard," Obama said. "I absolutely agree."
Obama, who described the alleged chemical attack as "an assault on human dignity" that "presents a serious danger to our national security," said any military involvement would be of "limited duration and scope."
"This would not be an open-ended intervention," he said. "We would not put boots on the ground."
Before revealing he would seek approval from Congress, the President made clear that "we are prepared to strike whenever we choose."
Strikes would be "effective tomorrow or next week or one month from now," Obama said, adding that he is "prepared to give that order."
The window for a potential U.S. attack on Syria opened as United Nations inspectors departed the anxious country ahead of schedule Saturday, less than a day after Secretary of State John Kerry delivered a forceful speech arguing America had a moral obligation to punish Assad's regime.
The possibility of U.S. strikes in the hours or days ahead cast a shadow over Damascus. As the army continued its shelling of rebel enclaves throughout the region, citizens fretted about the skyrocketing price — or sudden absence — of food, gasoline, and medical supplies.
Activists in the Syrian capital told NBC News that people in some Damascus neighborhoods waited seven hours on bread lines, and scooped up other essential items like rice, tea, and sugar in preparation for a strike. Some people who live in close proximity to possible targets like military installations and barracks have moved, the activists said.
Kerry on Friday made an impassioned case for U.S. military action against Syrian President Bashar al-Assad’s regime. Kerry argued that America has a moral obligation to punish Syria for allegedly using chemical weapons.
"History would judge us extraordinarily if we turned a blind eye to a dictator's wanton use of weapons of mass destruction against all warnings, against all common understanding of decency," Kerry said, after referring to Assad as a "thug and a murderer."
Kerry later said: "The world's most heinous weapons must never again be used against the world's most vulnerable people."
The White House released an intelligence report as Kerry spoke on Friday (.pdf) claiming “high confidence” that the Syrian regime had deployed chemical weapons. The report cited a “large body of independent sources” but acknowledged that not all the evidence of the alleged attack could be declassified. The information released by the government said the attack, carried out last week in the suburbs of Damascus, killed some 1,429 Syrians, including at least 426 children.
"Instead of being tucked safely in their beds at home," Kerry said, "we saw rows of children lying side by side, sprawled on a hospital floor, all of them dead from Assad's gas and surrounded by parents and grandparents who had suffered the same fate."
The Obama administration faces fierce opposition from many members of the U.S. Senate and wide swaths of the American public reluctant to become entangled in a Middle Eastern conflict just a decade after the U.S. invasion of Iraq.
Prior to Kerry's remarks, an NBC News poll showed that nearly 80 percent of Americans believed Obama should get a stamp of congressional approval before using force in Syria. Fifty percent of Americans believe the U.S. should not intervene altogether, according to the poll.
Diplomatic and political tensions heightened early Saturday as it became clearer that the U.S. may be prepared to bring the confrontation to a climax, despite a chorus of opposition from global partners and domestic constituents.
Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) decried Obama's plans for limited air strikes on Syria as "cosmetic" during an interview with Jay Leno on "The Tonight Show" on Friday, saying the failure of the U.S. to intervene in the country's bloody, brutal civil war was "shameful."
"The president apparently wants to have a kind of cosmetic strike, launch a few missiles and then say, 'Well, we responded.' This is the same president that, two years ago, said Bashar Assad had to go," McCain said.
Russian President Vladimir Putin meanwhile called on Obama not to act hastily, saying that while he was convinced last Wednesday’s lethal chemical attack was “just a provocation of those who want to drag other countries into a Syrian countries,” he believes U.S. officials should present any evidence to the contrary to the U.N. inspectors and the U.N. Security Council.
“If there is evidence, it must be provided,” Putin said Saturday. “If they are not provided, that means it’s not there.”
Putin is one of Assad’s stalwart allies — a fact that may account for why Kerry did not take the U.S. case for military intervention to the U.N. Security Council, where Russia has veto power. The Russian leader’s remarks were his first public comments on the unfolding crisis since the alleged Aug. 21 attack.
Britain, the most steadfast U.S. ally, rejected military action in a stunning vote Thursday night, delivering a dramatic blow to the Obama administration, which may have hoped to build a robust coalition of Western powers.
An administration official confirmed that Obama spoke Friday with British Prime Minister David Cameron as well as French President Francois Hollande, who has come out in support of international military action against the Assad regime.
The chemical attack “must not go unpunished,” Hollande told the French newspaper Le Monde. “Otherwise, it would be taking the risk of an escalation that would normalize the use of these weapons and threaten other countries.”
Senior U.S. officials Saturday will hold unclassified conference calls with the Senate Republican Conference and the Senate Democratic Caucus to continue consultations on potential U.S. military action, according to a White House official.
Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Martin Dempsey arrived at the White House on Saturday morning, a U.S. official confirmed.
All members of the House of Representatives have been invited to an in-person classified briefing regarding the Syria crisis on Sunday, according to an email sent to the House Republican Conference. The classified assessment on Syria was delivered to the Capitol on Friday night, the email to legislators said.
The U.N. weapons inspectors had spent three days this week traveling through violence-hit areas near Damascus and a fourth day meeting with patients at a government-run hospital. They concluded their investigation Friday and left Syria on Saturday through Lebanon.
The team of inspectors will begin “collating” soil samples collected during the investigation on Sunday, U.N. spokesman Martin Nesirky said at a press briefing Saturday.
Nesirky said that the notion that the early exit of the inspectors clears the path for U.S. strikes is "grotesque."
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Who benefits from our participation? Only the defense (offense) contractors.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
:corn: :corn: :corn:
A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!
All people need to do more on every level!
Bush also took his time in seeking approval from the entire world! Colin Powell was the pusher!
John Kerry sounds like Dick Cheney right now. wow!
??????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We mean what we say dont we there john kerry
love to see all the anti war dems wondering how their prince, or messiah could be talking like this, and going to do this
WTF is going on? Even Im surprised at this one
A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!
All people need to do more on every level!
I'm not sure I'm getting what your point is. People on here have been very critical of Obama, which puts your messiah rubbish to bed.
One more time, bush is a war criminal, and as it stands Obama may have some questions to answer as well. Your partisan bollicks really is old. Go team America!!!
http://syrianetwork.org/?p=2140
children killed in the chemical attack near Damascus was staged by U.S. Intelligence?
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Well I haven't been there lately so no proof from me. Was just wondering if you guys had heard about this.....
There are many that knew this President was all that he has turned out to be..You know who they are, The Tea Party, Conspiracy Theorist, all the crazy paranoid people, and The People that actually read Obama's books and the ones that payed attention to his speeches......If we could find someone to run America according to the Constitution and stop decimating it we could become the Great place that everyone wants to come to achieve the American Dream. The federal Reserve, Sorros Obama among others are pissing on our country and the ones that pay attention all knew this was going to happen.
We haven't seen nothing yet......