What happened to Obama?

fear4freedomfear4freedom Posts: 920
edited September 2013 in A Moving Train
Of all the quotes and policy positions of our President over the past 8 years, you would think that his stance regarding Syria, would be to host a global summit in Europe and find a diplomatic solution. Eddie Vedder once said that you could probably get 100 of the most powerful people of the world and put them in one room and noone leaves until its all worked out. If Obama bombs Syria unilaterally and without UN resolutions, he would be worse than any of our previous leaders! This is not going to happen, and if it does, Obama will not survive this one! I dont see how or why he would sacrifice the next two elections over this. Obama is playing with fire and risking his entire base!

What if the rebels used the chemical weapons?? WOW
Theres no time like the present

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  • I personally do believe the rebels used the gas. Some (or all?) are affiliated with al Queda so I wouldn't doubt they did it to bring the US to help them (and at the same time we screw ourselves by starting a bigger conflict, which would distract us from al Queda growing elsewhere).

    If Obama does something, I do not think he would be the worse than Bush, in my opinion. Bush sent our soldiers to fight a stupid war that took too many years to "accomplish" and we were focusing on the wrong place. I think this potential Syria war would be a stupid war too, but I am at least glad Obama doesn't want to aid the rebels by sending ground troops. But if Obama does anything to Syria then his presidency is officially doomed. He will be officially hated by all and he will be hated just as much as Congress. I personally won't hate him cuz I respect all the Presidents and I am not paranoid and think he is just out to screw everyone, but I will be ultimately disappointed in him.

    Also, he would never get a UN resolution due to Russia. The only way to due it is "illegally" sadly.
    ~Carter~

    You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
    or you can come to terms and realize
    you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
    makes much more sense to live in the present tense
    - Present Tense
  • I personally do believe the rebels used the gas. Some (or all?) are affiliated with al Queda so I wouldn't doubt they did it to bring the US to help them (and at the same time we screw ourselves by starting a bigger conflict, which would distract us from al Queda growing elsewhere).

    If Obama does something, I do not think he would be the worse than Bush, in my opinion. Bush sent our soldiers to fight a stupid war that took too many years to "accomplish" and we were focusing on the wrong place. I think this potential Syria war would be a stupid war too, but I am at least glad Obama doesn't want to aid the rebels by sending ground troops. But if Obama does anything to Syria then his presidency is officially doomed. He will be officially hated by all and he will be hated just as much as Congress. I personally won't hate him cuz I respect all the Presidents and I am not paranoid and think he is just out to screw everyone, but I will be ultimately disappointed in him.

    Also, he would never get a UN resolution due to Russia. The only way to due it is "illegally" sadly.



    Sorry but if Obama does this without US Congress or UN resolutions, he will be wayyyyy worse than Bush!

    Bush got 17 resolutions and approval from Congress! Whether you like him or hate him, HE DID!
    Theres no time like the present

    A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!

    All people need to do more on every level!
  • Wonder what stock to purchase regarding gas masks manufacturers or suppliers? Id like to get in on some of that profit coming! LOL

    Just kiddin guys! Keep your cool! But hey maybe we should look into any profiteers from any of this gas mask mania going on?

    I bet Bush just bought a bunch of stock recently! YEP its all Bush's fault! I knew it
    Theres no time like the present

    A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!

    All people need to do more on every level!
  • I personally do believe the rebels used the gas. Some (or all?) are affiliated with al Queda so I wouldn't doubt they did it to bring the US to help them (and at the same time we screw ourselves by starting a bigger conflict, which would distract us from al Queda growing elsewhere).

    If Obama does something, I do not think he would be the worse than Bush, in my opinion. Bush sent our soldiers to fight a stupid war that took too many years to "accomplish" and we were focusing on the wrong place. I think this potential Syria war would be a stupid war too, but I am at least glad Obama doesn't want to aid the rebels by sending ground troops. But if Obama does anything to Syria then his presidency is officially doomed. He will be officially hated by all and he will be hated just as much as Congress. I personally won't hate him cuz I respect all the Presidents and I am not paranoid and think he is just out to screw everyone, but I will be ultimately disappointed in him.

    Also, he would never get a UN resolution due to Russia. The only way to due it is "illegally" sadly.



    Sorry but if Obama does this without US Congress or UN resolutions, he will be wayyyyy worse than Bush!

    Bush got 17 resolutions and approval from Congress! Whether you like him or hate him, HE DID!

    Well no shit he got approval. It was a Republican majority Congress. :lol: :fp:
    ~Carter~

    You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
    or you can come to terms and realize
    you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
    makes much more sense to live in the present tense
    - Present Tense
  • I personally do believe the rebels used the gas. Some (or all?) are affiliated with al Queda so I wouldn't doubt they did it to bring the US to help them (and at the same time we screw ourselves by starting a bigger conflict, which would distract us from al Queda growing elsewhere).

    If Obama does something, I do not think he would be the worse than Bush, in my opinion. Bush sent our soldiers to fight a stupid war that took too many years to "accomplish" and we were focusing on the wrong place. I think this potential Syria war would be a stupid war too, but I am at least glad Obama doesn't want to aid the rebels by sending ground troops. But if Obama does anything to Syria then his presidency is officially doomed. He will be officially hated by all and he will be hated just as much as Congress. I personally won't hate him cuz I respect all the Presidents and I am not paranoid and think he is just out to screw everyone, but I will be ultimately disappointed in him.

    Also, he would never get a UN resolution due to Russia. The only way to due it is "illegally" sadly.



    Sorry but if Obama does this without US Congress or UN resolutions, he will be wayyyyy worse than Bush!

    Bush got 17 resolutions and approval from Congress! Whether you like him or hate him, HE DID!

    Well no shit he got approval. It was a Republican majority Congress. :lol: :fp:

    And many Democrats voted for it! Also Putin and the rest of the world agreed on the INTEL! 17 UN resolutions buddy! 17 Bush did it right!
    Theres no time like the present

    A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!

    All people need to do more on every level!
  • And many Democrats voted for it! Also Putin and the rest of the world agreed on the INTEL! 17 UN resolutions buddy! 17 Bush did it right!
    are you fucking serious??

    you are seriously playing "scoreboard" when we are about to bomb people???

    the place is a joke.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • And many Democrats voted for it! Also Putin and the rest of the world agreed on the INTEL! 17 UN resolutions buddy! 17 Bush did it right!
    are you fucking serious??

    you are seriously playing "scoreboard" when we are about to bomb people???

    the place is a joke.

    seeking a resolution gives it purpose meaning and merit! GOT IT?
    Theres no time like the present

    A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!

    All people need to do more on every level!
  • anquan-scoreboard.jpeg

    :fp:
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    edited August 2013
    if obama proceeds and does not follow the proper channels he should be impeached.

    this is what the conservatives have had a boner for since 2009.

    and john kerry is pathetic. he made a name for himself protesting war. look at him making the case for war now.

    you can't be anti war and support "some" war when it is convenient for you..
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."



  • Sorry but if Obama does this without US Congress or UN resolutions, he will be wayyyyy worse than Bush!

    Bush got 17 resolutions and approval from Congress! Whether you like him or hate him, HE DID!

    Well no shit he got approval. It was a Republican majority Congress. :lol: :fp:

    And many Democrats voted for it! Also Putin and the rest of the world agreed on the INTEL! 17 UN resolutions buddy! 17 Bush did it right!

    But because Russia and Congress won't agree to it, then the only way to do it is illegally, which is sad.

    Unless you love watching videos of innocent people living in dangerous situations, being killed, children dying by chemical weapons (regardless of who did it), then by all means just keep talking about how you think this will make Obama bad and act like you love not being the good one. If you love death and innocent people dying, keep on with your rant.

    I rather just give the rebels some old weapons so they can oust the gov't, then see where it goes from there. I don't want to have the US to do everything, but that says more about other countries than it does the US.

    I also just want to point out I am in no way defending Obama. I just want those people to not live in such conditions. I am kind of glad Bush did what he did in Iraq, despite him leading many Americans to there deaths. And I will be kind of glad if Obama does the same thing, regardless of how it gets done. (unless it starts WWIII somehow, because then I will be pissed).
    ~Carter~

    You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
    or you can come to terms and realize
    you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
    makes much more sense to live in the present tense
    - Present Tense
  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Posts: 8,661
    Uhhh, it is going to happen and be will survive it. What/who is going to stop him or do anything about it? Dude is out of control.
  • we can't interfere in another country's civil war. if we help the rebels, russia and china will help assad, and then england and france and iran and iraq and nuclear pakistan get sucked into it and then we have not only a regional conflict, but a potential "world war".

    as shitty as it sounds, for there to be peace and stability in the region and among the world powers, we have to let this war play out. if the rebels get crushed they get crushed. if the rebels win, then we help them establish their new country.

    sometimes the only way for us to win is not to fight.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • we can't interfere in another country's civil war. if we help the rebels, russia and china will help assad, and then england and france and iran and iraq and nuclear pakistan get sucked into it and then we have not only a regional conflict, but a potential "world war".

    as shitty as it sounds, for there to be peace and stability in the region and among the world powers, we have to let this war play out. if the rebels get crushed they get crushed. if the rebels win, then we help them establish their new country.

    sometimes the only way for us to win is not to fight.

    I agree with this as well. It would be very hard for me to deal with if we don't do something, but I get that it's their civil war, not ours.

    For me its just a touchy subject.

    I just don't want a world war.
    ~Carter~

    You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
    or you can come to terms and realize
    you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
    makes much more sense to live in the present tense
    - Present Tense
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,616
    Of all the quotes and policy positions of our President over the past 8 years, you would think that his stance regarding Syria, would be to host a global summit in Europe and find a diplomatic solution. Eddie Vedder once said that you could probably get 100 of the most powerful people of the world and put them in one room and noone leaves until its all worked out. If Obama bombs Syria unilaterally and without UN resolutions, he would be worse than any of our previous leaders! This is not going to happen, and if it does, Obama will not survive this one! I dont see how or why he would sacrifice the next two elections over this. Obama is playing with fire and risking his entire base!

    What if the rebels used the chemical weapons?? WOW
    ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,616
    we can't interfere in another country's civil war. if we help the rebels, russia and china will help assad, and then england and france and iran and iraq and nuclear pakistan get sucked into it and then we have not only a regional conflict, but a potential "world war".

    as shitty as it sounds, for there to be peace and stability in the region and among the world powers, we have to let this war play out. if the rebels get crushed they get crushed. if the rebels win, then we help them establish their new country.

    sometimes the only way for us to win is not to fight.
    Isreal needs to continue being quiet and the rest of the region needs to get on with fighting their sectarian religious war. Arab League needs to step the fuck up and deal with it.
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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    So when are you guys going to finally support a party that is against war? The Libertarians are waiting for you.
  • mickeyrat wrote:
    Isreal needs to continue being quiet and the rest of the region needs to get on with fighting their sectarian religious war. Arab League needs to step the fuck up and deal with it.
    israel wants to get it on with iran. they are hoping that we go into syria because then they will have an excuse to get involved because the region would be even more destabilized..
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • unsung wrote:
    So when are you guys going to finally support a party that is against war? The Libertarians are waiting for you.
    never.

    i wholeheartedly disagree with their domestic policy ideas.

    sorry, but i have probably invested 75 posts on this forum saying that exact same post.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • unsung wrote:
    So when are you guys going to finally support a party that is against war? The Libertarians are waiting for you.

    When you are you going to realize associating with a party with a set philosophy is no way to truly be free in your ideas? Have your own ideas, express them. Be free; be American.
    ~Carter~

    You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
    or you can come to terms and realize
    you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
    makes much more sense to live in the present tense
    - Present Tense
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,616
    mickeyrat wrote:
    Isreal needs to continue being quiet and the rest of the region needs to get on with fighting their sectarian religious war. Arab League needs to step the fuck up and deal with it.
    israel wants to get it on with iran. they are hoping that we go into syria because then they will have an excuse to get involved because the region would be even more destabilized..
    oh I know. In fact , I might be interested to see what they can really do? And how they really dont need us to run interference.

    Frankly , since we are so energy independent now, I say fuck mideast oil, we should disengage from the world market for energy. I'm sick of this shit at the pump. Its like playing the lottery. I realize its only cents per tank, but fuck man.

    Some of Nostradamus' quatrains come to mind about now.
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  • mickeyrat wrote:
    Frankly , since we are so energy independent now, I say fuck mideast oil, we should disengage from the world market for energy. I'm sick of this shit at the pump. Its like playing the lottery. I realize its only cents per tank, but fuck man.

    I agree
    ~Carter~

    You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
    or you can come to terms and realize
    you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
    makes much more sense to live in the present tense
    - Present Tense
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,053
    The answer to your question, f4f, is easy. After being elected, the man moved into the White House and took office. Do you get what I mean?
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  • brianlux wrote:
    The answer to your question, f4f, is easy. After being elected, the man moved into the White House and took office. Do you get what I mean?
    i see what you did there ;)
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • dimitrispearljamdimitrispearljam Posts: 139,720
    i m against of any act of war..i dont care which party comes from or whats the name of the president,or if he get he ok of UN or not..war is wrong,no matter what..bomb people is wrong..
    i will understand it if a country attack your country and you need defend yourself..
    but i dont remember Syria attacked Pearl Harbor recently...
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  • the whole goal of war is to gain and occupy territory.

    i see no point in lobbing missiles into a country that we have no intent to occupy. all we are doing is meddling in a conflict that was inevitable.

    this is just insane in my opinion.

    :(
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • dimitrispearljamdimitrispearljam Posts: 139,720
    the whole goal of war is to gain and occupy territory.

    i see no point in lobbing missiles into a country that we have no intent to occupy. all we are doing is meddling in a conflict that was inevitable.

    this is just insane in my opinion.

    :(
    yeah,and then the American people will wonder why another generation somewhere on the planet will hate USA...
    and the media will explain " they are jealous of our freedom...
    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
  • yeah,and then the American people will wonder why another generation somewhere on the planet will hate USA...
    and the media will explain " they are jealous of our freedom...
    every time american bombs kill people, even with the intent of stopping another conflict, we are creating enemies. every one of those people killed has a brother, a cousin, or uncle, or son who is going to hate america. and that is passed down from generation to generation. just like racism. it is taught. we always say the goal is winning hearts and minds. but who's heart are you winning when you are blowing people up??

    it is senseless.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • dimitrispearljamdimitrispearljam Posts: 139,720
    yeah,and then the American people will wonder why another generation somewhere on the planet will hate USA...
    and the media will explain " they are jealous of our freedom...
    every time american bombs kill people, even with the intent of stopping another conflict, we are creating enemies. every one of those people killed has a brother, a cousin, or uncle, or son who is going to hate america. and that is passed down from generation to generation. just like racism. it is taught. we always say the goal is winning hearts and minds. but who's heart are you winning when you are blowing people up??

    it is senseless.
    i know brother..doesnt make any sense...i live in Greece,we are the last country in the "west"..Next to us is Middle East..the people there listen the word USA and you can feel the hate in their breath..
    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
  • i know brother..doesnt make any sense...i live in Greece,we are the last country in the "west"..Next to us is Middle East..the people there listen the word USA and you can feel the hate in their breath..
    its just a shitty situation.

    the world is a terrible place sometimes.

    just knowing i am hated for nothing that i have done really sucks. i don't hate those people.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • otterotter Posts: 760
    Nothing happened to Obama.

    Obama is the greatest politician ever. He acts, says, and supports with the wind. He lies constantly and has no moral compass.

    Obama ignores foreign issues so he can pursue domestic ones.

    Obama is determined to "fundamentally transform America" so there is an equal outcome for everybody: he disagrees with the concept of equal opportunity and is in the processes of spreading the wealth.
    I found my place......and it's alright
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