What happened to Obama?

fear4freedom
fear4freedom Posts: 920
edited September 2013 in A Moving Train
Of all the quotes and policy positions of our President over the past 8 years, you would think that his stance regarding Syria, would be to host a global summit in Europe and find a diplomatic solution. Eddie Vedder once said that you could probably get 100 of the most powerful people of the world and put them in one room and noone leaves until its all worked out. If Obama bombs Syria unilaterally and without UN resolutions, he would be worse than any of our previous leaders! This is not going to happen, and if it does, Obama will not survive this one! I dont see how or why he would sacrifice the next two elections over this. Obama is playing with fire and risking his entire base!

What if the rebels used the chemical weapons?? WOW
Theres no time like the present

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  • Guitar92player
    Guitar92player Posts: 664
    I personally do believe the rebels used the gas. Some (or all?) are affiliated with al Queda so I wouldn't doubt they did it to bring the US to help them (and at the same time we screw ourselves by starting a bigger conflict, which would distract us from al Queda growing elsewhere).

    If Obama does something, I do not think he would be the worse than Bush, in my opinion. Bush sent our soldiers to fight a stupid war that took too many years to "accomplish" and we were focusing on the wrong place. I think this potential Syria war would be a stupid war too, but I am at least glad Obama doesn't want to aid the rebels by sending ground troops. But if Obama does anything to Syria then his presidency is officially doomed. He will be officially hated by all and he will be hated just as much as Congress. I personally won't hate him cuz I respect all the Presidents and I am not paranoid and think he is just out to screw everyone, but I will be ultimately disappointed in him.

    Also, he would never get a UN resolution due to Russia. The only way to due it is "illegally" sadly.
    ~Carter~

    You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
    or you can come to terms and realize
    you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
    makes much more sense to live in the present tense     - Present Tense
  • fear4freedom
    fear4freedom Posts: 920
    Guitar92player wrote:
    I personally do believe the rebels used the gas. Some (or all?) are affiliated with al Queda so I wouldn't doubt they did it to bring the US to help them (and at the same time we screw ourselves by starting a bigger conflict, which would distract us from al Queda growing elsewhere).

    If Obama does something, I do not think he would be the worse than Bush, in my opinion. Bush sent our soldiers to fight a stupid war that took too many years to "accomplish" and we were focusing on the wrong place. I think this potential Syria war would be a stupid war too, but I am at least glad Obama doesn't want to aid the rebels by sending ground troops. But if Obama does anything to Syria then his presidency is officially doomed. He will be officially hated by all and he will be hated just as much as Congress. I personally won't hate him cuz I respect all the Presidents and I am not paranoid and think he is just out to screw everyone, but I will be ultimately disappointed in him.

    Also, he would never get a UN resolution due to Russia. The only way to due it is "illegally" sadly.



    Sorry but if Obama does this without US Congress or UN resolutions, he will be wayyyyy worse than Bush!

    Bush got 17 resolutions and approval from Congress! Whether you like him or hate him, HE DID!
    Theres no time like the present

    A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!

    All people need to do more on every level!
  • fear4freedom
    fear4freedom Posts: 920
    Wonder what stock to purchase regarding gas masks manufacturers or suppliers? Id like to get in on some of that profit coming! LOL

    Just kiddin guys! Keep your cool! But hey maybe we should look into any profiteers from any of this gas mask mania going on?

    I bet Bush just bought a bunch of stock recently! YEP its all Bush's fault! I knew it
    Theres no time like the present

    A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!

    All people need to do more on every level!
  • Guitar92player
    Guitar92player Posts: 664
    fear4freedom wrote:
    Guitar92player wrote:
    I personally do believe the rebels used the gas. Some (or all?) are affiliated with al Queda so I wouldn't doubt they did it to bring the US to help them (and at the same time we screw ourselves by starting a bigger conflict, which would distract us from al Queda growing elsewhere).

    If Obama does something, I do not think he would be the worse than Bush, in my opinion. Bush sent our soldiers to fight a stupid war that took too many years to "accomplish" and we were focusing on the wrong place. I think this potential Syria war would be a stupid war too, but I am at least glad Obama doesn't want to aid the rebels by sending ground troops. But if Obama does anything to Syria then his presidency is officially doomed. He will be officially hated by all and he will be hated just as much as Congress. I personally won't hate him cuz I respect all the Presidents and I am not paranoid and think he is just out to screw everyone, but I will be ultimately disappointed in him.

    Also, he would never get a UN resolution due to Russia. The only way to due it is "illegally" sadly.



    Sorry but if Obama does this without US Congress or UN resolutions, he will be wayyyyy worse than Bush!

    Bush got 17 resolutions and approval from Congress! Whether you like him or hate him, HE DID!

    Well no shit he got approval. It was a Republican majority Congress. :lol: :fp:
    ~Carter~

    You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
    or you can come to terms and realize
    you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
    makes much more sense to live in the present tense     - Present Tense
  • fear4freedom
    fear4freedom Posts: 920
    Guitar92player wrote:
    fear4freedom wrote:
    Guitar92player wrote:
    I personally do believe the rebels used the gas. Some (or all?) are affiliated with al Queda so I wouldn't doubt they did it to bring the US to help them (and at the same time we screw ourselves by starting a bigger conflict, which would distract us from al Queda growing elsewhere).

    If Obama does something, I do not think he would be the worse than Bush, in my opinion. Bush sent our soldiers to fight a stupid war that took too many years to "accomplish" and we were focusing on the wrong place. I think this potential Syria war would be a stupid war too, but I am at least glad Obama doesn't want to aid the rebels by sending ground troops. But if Obama does anything to Syria then his presidency is officially doomed. He will be officially hated by all and he will be hated just as much as Congress. I personally won't hate him cuz I respect all the Presidents and I am not paranoid and think he is just out to screw everyone, but I will be ultimately disappointed in him.

    Also, he would never get a UN resolution due to Russia. The only way to due it is "illegally" sadly.



    Sorry but if Obama does this without US Congress or UN resolutions, he will be wayyyyy worse than Bush!

    Bush got 17 resolutions and approval from Congress! Whether you like him or hate him, HE DID!

    Well no shit he got approval. It was a Republican majority Congress. :lol: :fp:

    And many Democrats voted for it! Also Putin and the rest of the world agreed on the INTEL! 17 UN resolutions buddy! 17 Bush did it right!
    Theres no time like the present

    A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!

    All people need to do more on every level!
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,835
    fear4freedom wrote:
    And many Democrats voted for it! Also Putin and the rest of the world agreed on the INTEL! 17 UN resolutions buddy! 17 Bush did it right!
    are you fucking serious??

    you are seriously playing "scoreboard" when we are about to bomb people???

    the place is a joke.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • fear4freedom
    fear4freedom Posts: 920
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    fear4freedom wrote:
    And many Democrats voted for it! Also Putin and the rest of the world agreed on the INTEL! 17 UN resolutions buddy! 17 Bush did it right!
    are you fucking serious??

    you are seriously playing "scoreboard" when we are about to bomb people???

    the place is a joke.

    seeking a resolution gives it purpose meaning and merit! GOT IT?
    Theres no time like the present

    A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!

    All people need to do more on every level!
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,835
    anquan-scoreboard.jpeg

    :fp:
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,835
    edited August 2013
    if obama proceeds and does not follow the proper channels he should be impeached.

    this is what the conservatives have had a boner for since 2009.

    and john kerry is pathetic. he made a name for himself protesting war. look at him making the case for war now.

    you can't be anti war and support "some" war when it is convenient for you..
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Guitar92player
    Guitar92player Posts: 664
    fear4freedom wrote:
    Guitar92player wrote:
    fear4freedom wrote:



    Sorry but if Obama does this without US Congress or UN resolutions, he will be wayyyyy worse than Bush!

    Bush got 17 resolutions and approval from Congress! Whether you like him or hate him, HE DID!

    Well no shit he got approval. It was a Republican majority Congress. :lol: :fp:

    And many Democrats voted for it! Also Putin and the rest of the world agreed on the INTEL! 17 UN resolutions buddy! 17 Bush did it right!

    But because Russia and Congress won't agree to it, then the only way to do it is illegally, which is sad.

    Unless you love watching videos of innocent people living in dangerous situations, being killed, children dying by chemical weapons (regardless of who did it), then by all means just keep talking about how you think this will make Obama bad and act like you love not being the good one. If you love death and innocent people dying, keep on with your rant.

    I rather just give the rebels some old weapons so they can oust the gov't, then see where it goes from there. I don't want to have the US to do everything, but that says more about other countries than it does the US.

    I also just want to point out I am in no way defending Obama. I just want those people to not live in such conditions. I am kind of glad Bush did what he did in Iraq, despite him leading many Americans to there deaths. And I will be kind of glad if Obama does the same thing, regardless of how it gets done. (unless it starts WWIII somehow, because then I will be pissed).
    ~Carter~

    You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
    or you can come to terms and realize
    you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
    makes much more sense to live in the present tense     - Present Tense
  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    Uhhh, it is going to happen and be will survive it. What/who is going to stop him or do anything about it? Dude is out of control.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,835
    we can't interfere in another country's civil war. if we help the rebels, russia and china will help assad, and then england and france and iran and iraq and nuclear pakistan get sucked into it and then we have not only a regional conflict, but a potential "world war".

    as shitty as it sounds, for there to be peace and stability in the region and among the world powers, we have to let this war play out. if the rebels get crushed they get crushed. if the rebels win, then we help them establish their new country.

    sometimes the only way for us to win is not to fight.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Guitar92player
    Guitar92player Posts: 664
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    we can't interfere in another country's civil war. if we help the rebels, russia and china will help assad, and then england and france and iran and iraq and nuclear pakistan get sucked into it and then we have not only a regional conflict, but a potential "world war".

    as shitty as it sounds, for there to be peace and stability in the region and among the world powers, we have to let this war play out. if the rebels get crushed they get crushed. if the rebels win, then we help them establish their new country.

    sometimes the only way for us to win is not to fight.

    I agree with this as well. It would be very hard for me to deal with if we don't do something, but I get that it's their civil war, not ours.

    For me its just a touchy subject.

    I just don't want a world war.
    ~Carter~

    You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
    or you can come to terms and realize
    you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
    makes much more sense to live in the present tense     - Present Tense
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 45,180
    fear4freedom wrote:
    Of all the quotes and policy positions of our President over the past 8 years, you would think that his stance regarding Syria, would be to host a global summit in Europe and find a diplomatic solution. Eddie Vedder once said that you could probably get 100 of the most powerful people of the world and put them in one room and noone leaves until its all worked out. If Obama bombs Syria unilaterally and without UN resolutions, he would be worse than any of our previous leaders! This is not going to happen, and if it does, Obama will not survive this one! I dont see how or why he would sacrifice the next two elections over this. Obama is playing with fire and risking his entire base!

    What if the rebels used the chemical weapons?? WOW
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  • mickeyrat
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    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    we can't interfere in another country's civil war. if we help the rebels, russia and china will help assad, and then england and france and iran and iraq and nuclear pakistan get sucked into it and then we have not only a regional conflict, but a potential "world war".

    as shitty as it sounds, for there to be peace and stability in the region and among the world powers, we have to let this war play out. if the rebels get crushed they get crushed. if the rebels win, then we help them establish their new country.

    sometimes the only way for us to win is not to fight.
    Isreal needs to continue being quiet and the rest of the region needs to get on with fighting their sectarian religious war. Arab League needs to step the fuck up and deal with it.
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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    So when are you guys going to finally support a party that is against war? The Libertarians are waiting for you.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,835
    mickeyrat wrote:
    Isreal needs to continue being quiet and the rest of the region needs to get on with fighting their sectarian religious war. Arab League needs to step the fuck up and deal with it.
    israel wants to get it on with iran. they are hoping that we go into syria because then they will have an excuse to get involved because the region would be even more destabilized..
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,835
    unsung wrote:
    So when are you guys going to finally support a party that is against war? The Libertarians are waiting for you.
    never.

    i wholeheartedly disagree with their domestic policy ideas.

    sorry, but i have probably invested 75 posts on this forum saying that exact same post.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Guitar92player
    Guitar92player Posts: 664
    unsung wrote:
    So when are you guys going to finally support a party that is against war? The Libertarians are waiting for you.

    When you are you going to realize associating with a party with a set philosophy is no way to truly be free in your ideas? Have your own ideas, express them. Be free; be American.
    ~Carter~

    You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
    or you can come to terms and realize
    you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
    makes much more sense to live in the present tense     - Present Tense
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 45,180
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    mickeyrat wrote:
    Isreal needs to continue being quiet and the rest of the region needs to get on with fighting their sectarian religious war. Arab League needs to step the fuck up and deal with it.
    israel wants to get it on with iran. they are hoping that we go into syria because then they will have an excuse to get involved because the region would be even more destabilized..
    oh I know. In fact , I might be interested to see what they can really do? And how they really dont need us to run interference.

    Frankly , since we are so energy independent now, I say fuck mideast oil, we should disengage from the world market for energy. I'm sick of this shit at the pump. Its like playing the lottery. I realize its only cents per tank, but fuck man.

    Some of Nostradamus' quatrains come to mind about now.
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