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unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
edited August 2013 in A Moving Train
The propaganda that exists is disgusting. I will seriously explore homeschooling or some type of alternative schooling when I have kids.

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  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Posts: 8,661
    unsung wrote:
    The propaganda that exists is disgusting. I will seriously explore homeschooling or some type of alternative schooling when I have kids.

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    What textbook did this come out of?
  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,172
    What "textbook" did this come out of?
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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    Kindergarten story book, approved text.
  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,172
    Can you be a little more specific?
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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    Posting from my phone, I'll attempt to find a proper link.
  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,172
    unsung wrote:
    Posting from my phone, I'll attempt to find a proper link.

    Thanks.
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  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Posts: 8,661
    I'm not naive enough to think propoganda doesn't exist in children's texts in school. But even children's book can evolve with the changing times. I haven't read this book, but that should be taken into consideration before deciding to home school. No?
  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,172
    Curious if this is going to turn out to be a book aimed at helping children who are scared to fly. In that context the passage makes a little sense. Still kinda strange but I can see what the intent might have been.
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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    A parent found it at their child's school, it's circulating on social media. It's definitely propaganda but as it was located in a school the parent is awaiting an official school response to see if it is part of official curriculum or if a specific teacher brought it in on their own.

    Here's a link from Amazon

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/141699674 ... mdp_mobile
  • BlockheadBlockhead Posts: 1,538
    Instead of shielding your children from everything you don't agree with, why not turn this into a teachable moment and explain why you or anybody should "not be pleased" with this kind of conduct.

    Here is what I found out from my kids being in school. The kids will retain and act on the things they learn when it is REINFORCED at home by the parents.
  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    unsung wrote:
    A parent found it at their child's school, it's circulating on social media. It's definitely propaganda but as it was located in a school the parent is awaiting an official school response to see if it is part of official curriculum or if a specific teacher brought it in on their own.

    Here's a link from Amazon

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/141699674 ... mdp_mobile

    Olivia Goes to Venice.

    It's not a textbook- it's a kid's book... likely from the library.

    Exactly how is this propaganda?

    Geez you love being dramatic don't you?

    Try again.
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  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,172
    Eh...that page is a bit strange but just by reading the comments you can see how this is a big deal being made out of a little issue.

    http://www.amazon.com/Olivia-Goes-Venic ... 1416996745
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  • JonnyPistachioJonnyPistachio Posts: 10,219
    This will surely make more kids vegetarians too. A cute, talking, unarmed pig? Who the hell would eat such a thing? :P
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  • Prince Of DorknessPrince Of Dorkness Posts: 3,763
    OH NOEZ!!! THE SKY IS A FALLIN!!!

    Ugh... ok, now, I do understand that some people have a bit of trouble separating "entertainment" from "education," so I'll take it easy on you.

    This is NOT a "textbook." A Textbook is a book that is made for students to learn the information inside it. If you ever went to school, you might remember having a math text book or a science text book. They didn't tell stories and have cute pictures in them. They had facts and problems to solve and things to help you learn.

    Although clearly that didn't take with everyone.

    This IS a "children's story book" and it takes place in Venice, which is a city in Italy. Italy is a country in Europe which is a big land mass WAAAAYYYYY across the ocean where there is socialized medicine and NO TSA Agents AT ALL! Can you imagine such a wondrous land? Now... if you've never read a book about Olivia the Pig... she's very precocious and she is "very pleased" about many things. That's kinda her schtick. When she goes the airport, they search everyone for weapons because that's what they DO at airports and she's just as "pleased" with that as she also is for the Gondola rides in Venice and the Gelato (which is a kind of Italian Ice Cream).

    Maybe next time before you get too upset, you can base your off-the-handle indignation on more than just a SINGLE PAGE of a book series?

    or is that too much to ask?
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  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Posts: 8,661
    Prince Of Dorkness wrote:
    OH NOEZ!!! THE SKY IS A FALLIN!!!

    Ugh... ok, now, I do understand that some people have a bit of trouble separating "entertainment" from "education," so I'll take it easy on you.

    This is NOT a "textbook." A Textbook is a book that is made for students to learn the information inside it. If you ever went to school, you might remember having a math text book or a science text book. They didn't tell stories and have cute pictures in them. They had facts and problems to solve and things to help you learn.

    Although clearly that didn't take with everyone.

    This IS a "children's story book" and it takes place in Venice, which is a city in Italy. Italy is a country in Europe which is a big land mass WAAAAYYYYY across the ocean where there is socialized medicine and NO TSA Agents AT ALL! Can you imagine such a wondrous land? Now... if you've never read a book about Olivia the Pig... she's very precocious and she is "very pleased" about many things. That's kinda her schtick. When she goes the airport, they search everyone for weapons because that's what they DO at airports and she's just as "pleased" with that as she also is for the Gondola rides in Venice and the Gelato (which is a kind of Italian Ice Cream).

    Maybe next time before you get too upset, you can base your off-the-handle indignation on more than just a SINGLE PAGE of a book series?

    or is that too much to ask?

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  • backseatLover12backseatLover12 Posts: 2,312
    edited August 2013
    Why would anyone think that the Olivia books are text books for school??!?

    That's just hogwash, utterly laughable. :lol:
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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    JonnyPistachio wrote:
    This will surely make more kids vegetarians too. A cute, talking, unarmed pig? Who the hell would eat such a thing? :P
    Me!

    I love me some bacon :mrgreen:
  • even flow - question markeven flow - question mark Posts: 1,568
    unsung wrote:
    The propaganda that exists is disgusting. I will seriously explore homeschooling or some type of alternative schooling when I have kids.

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    Propaganda???? What is singing the national anthem? Reciting the pledge of allegiance? I'll just stop there.

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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    This thread is funny on so many levels...
    First one being, there are illustrations of uniformed pigs doing the frisking.
    Next, people actually find this to be 'propaganda'.
    Then, there is the false claim that this children's book is a 'textbook'.
    Finally, the thought that it is part of some sort of overwhelming government indoctrination of little children by leftist socialists.
    ...
    I find this all pretty funny. A bit absurd and a little disturbing... but, I sometimes find humor in the absurd and disturbing.
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  • vant0037vant0037 Posts: 6,116
    [And what would be the subtle message that the author, illustrator, publisher, school board and teacher are trying to insidiously implant in the malleable minds of our children? That flying free of the fear that some right wing gun nut or foreign fundamentalist won't try to blow you up or bring a weapon on board is yet another form of government tyranny that they should be pleased to accept?

    Good grief.
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  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    been sitting on this for a bit ...

    this book definitely pushes an ideology ... especially with the text accompanying it ... basically saying that we should all be grateful for all the security measures the gov't has put in place ... if she were simply abiding by the procedure - it would be one thing but the insinuation that it should make people happy is troubling to me ...

    this kind of stuff works very well on children ... you only have to see the mass amounts of marketing dollars spent convincing kids that high fructose corn syrup laden synthetic shit is all they need in life to be happy ... and now you have a populace where 1/3 are diabetic or at risk ... civil liberties and the constitution have been slowly eroding for a long time now ...

    i'm not sure unsung doesn't have a point here ...
  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    polaris_x wrote:
    been sitting on this for a bit ...

    this book definitely pushes an ideology ... especially with the text accompanying it ... basically saying that we should all be grateful for all the security measures the gov't has put in place ... if she were simply abiding by the procedure - it would be one thing but the insinuation that it should make people happy is troubling to me ...

    this kind of stuff works very well on children ... you only have to see the mass amounts of marketing dollars spent convincing kids that high fructose corn syrup laden synthetic shit is all they need in life to be happy ... and now you have a populace where 1/3 are diabetic or at risk ... civil liberties and the constitution have been slowly eroding for a long time now ...

    i'm not sure unsung doesn't have a point here ...

    The kids book is centered on travel and perhaps it was the author's attempt to point out the normalcy a child might expect when proceeding through an airport- easing the anxiety they might feel as they go through the sometimes invasive security measures.

    I don't think this author is on a government payroll to indoctrinate children and have them become indebted to the government's role in their life. I think this is a simple children's book that tells a story.

    If conspiracists ever did actually have a point... it would likely be lost upon most given the fact that filters are rarely used before introducing items as evidence to support their beliefs. It's tough to take anything too serious when they are amid a stream of nonsensical items that invoke laughter, but very little concern. They would help themselves and their cause more by exercising even the modest of discretion.
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  • BlockheadBlockhead Posts: 1,538
    polaris_x wrote:
    this kind of stuff works very well on children ... you only have to see the mass amounts of marketing dollars spent convincing kids that high fructose corn syrup laden synthetic shit is all they need in life to be happy ... and now you have a populace where 1/3 are diabetic or at risk ... civil liberties and the constitution have been slowly eroding for a long time now ...

    i'm not sure unsung doesn't have a point here ...
    Last time I checked;
    Children can't work, so they have no money to buy anything with
    Children can't drive, so they can't go to the grocery stoe
    So to your point, they can market to children all the want, but WHO are the ones actually buying it and making the decisions?
    That's right, the PARENTS...

    Not to mention you have to have a pre-disposition or genetics to get diabetes
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:
    The kids book is centered on travel and perhaps it was the author's attempt to point out the normalcy a child might expect when proceeding through an airport- easing the anxiety they might feel as they go through the sometimes invasive security measures.

    I don't think this author is on a government payroll to indoctrinate children and have them become indebted to the government's role in their life. I think this is a simple children's book that tells a story.

    If conspiracists ever did actually have a point... it would likely be lost upon most given the fact that filters are rarely used before introducing items as evidence to support their beliefs. It's tough to take anything too serious when they are amid a stream of nonsensical items that invoke laughter, but very little concern. They would help themselves and their cause more by exercising even the modest of discretion.

    well ... i didn't necessarily say it was a gov't conspiracy nor do i think this is a plot by the gov't ...

    just simply that there is an ideology here being presented ... it may seem benign to most but these things typically are subtle ...
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Blockhead wrote:
    Last time I checked;
    Children can't work, so they have no money to buy anything with
    Children can't drive, so they can't go to the grocery stoe
    So to your point, they can market to children all the want, but WHO are the ones actually buying it and making the decisions?
    That's right, the PARENTS...

    Not to mention you have to have a pre-disposition or genetics to get diabetes

    first of all ... nothing you write is grounded in any reality ...

    children CAN work and even if children aren't working ... they can have access to money ... my friend's 10 year-old spent all his bday money and allowance for over a year and bought an ipad mini the other day ... there are other ways to have money (gifts, allowance, etc.) ... also ... children can't drive so they can't get to a grocery store!?? ... are you serious? ... ever heard of walking or taking a bike? ... even IF they had no money and couldn't get to a store ... you think the kid has no influence on parents and their purchases?

    and i suggest reading up on diabetes ... although genetics plays a role ... environment and diet are huge factors ... especially type 2 diabetes ...
  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    polaris_x wrote:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:
    The kids book is centered on travel and perhaps it was the author's attempt to point out the normalcy a child might expect when proceeding through an airport- easing the anxiety they might feel as they go through the sometimes invasive security measures.

    I don't think this author is on a government payroll to indoctrinate children and have them become indebted to the government's role in their life. I think this is a simple children's book that tells a story.

    If conspiracists ever did actually have a point... it would likely be lost upon most given the fact that filters are rarely used before introducing items as evidence to support their beliefs. It's tough to take anything too serious when they are amid a stream of nonsensical items that invoke laughter, but very little concern. They would help themselves and their cause more by exercising even the modest of discretion.

    well ... i didn't necessarily say it was a gov't conspiracy nor do i think this is a plot by the gov't ...

    just simply that there is an ideology here being presented ... it may seem benign to most but these things typically are subtle ...

    You did say that perhaps Unsung had a point. I'm saying that the likelihood of this book serving as early methodology to indoctrinate children is extremely low and is a reach to suggest so. One could dissect virtually anything and spin it to serve themselves if they wished. And, to what I said earlier... some here do this with great frequency and it really diminishes their credibility. If they ever did have something important to offer... it would likely be poorly received given the other material it rests with.
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  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    edited August 2013
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:
    You did say that perhaps Unsung had a point. I'm saying that the likelihood of this book serving as early methodology to indoctrinate children is extremely low and is a reach to suggest so. One could dissect virtually anything and spin it to serve themselves if they wished. And, to what I said earlier... some here do this with great frequency and it really diminishes their credibility. If they ever did have something important to offer... it would likely be poorly received given the other material it rests with.

    but his initial post was particularly vague ... if you want to pin him strictly as an anti-gov't crusader and interpret everything in a particular vain ... that is your choice ... if my objective is to interact and learn on a forum such as this ... the more i can separate agendas and assumptions the better off i will be ...

    edit: also i said i'm not unsure he doesn't have a point ... double negative for sure but it clearly says that i don't see it as black and white ...

    all i'm saying here is that i do see an ideology in this particular example ... and that simply kids are very influential ...
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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    polaris_x wrote:
    been sitting on this for a bit ...

    this book definitely pushes an ideology ... especially with the text accompanying it ... basically saying that we should all be grateful for all the security measures the gov't has put in place ... if she were simply abiding by the procedure - it would be one thing but the insinuation that it should make people happy is troubling to me ...

    this kind of stuff works very well on children ... you only have to see the mass amounts of marketing dollars spent convincing kids that high fructose corn syrup laden synthetic shit is all they need in life to be happy ... and now you have a populace where 1/3 are diabetic or at risk ... civil liberties and the constitution have been slowly eroding for a long time now ...

    i'm not sure unsung doesn't have a point here ...



    Thank you. My original "textbook" comment may have been jumping the gun but I mentioned in a following post that I too was awaiting the full story. I could edit the title but really what's the point. I'm good with it.

    Children should not be de-sensitized to wrongs. We must remain vigilant in the battle for our liberty and our overall well-being.
  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    unsung wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    been sitting on this for a bit ...

    this book definitely pushes an ideology ... especially with the text accompanying it ... basically saying that we should all be grateful for all the security measures the gov't has put in place ... if she were simply abiding by the procedure - it would be one thing but the insinuation that it should make people happy is troubling to me ...

    this kind of stuff works very well on children ... you only have to see the mass amounts of marketing dollars spent convincing kids that high fructose corn syrup laden synthetic shit is all they need in life to be happy ... and now you have a populace where 1/3 are diabetic or at risk ... civil liberties and the constitution have been slowly eroding for a long time now ...

    i'm not sure unsung doesn't have a point here ...



    Thank you. My original "textbook" comment may have been jumping the gun but I mentioned in a following post that I too was awaiting the full story. I could edit the title but really what's the point. I'm good with it.

    Children should not be de-sensitized to wrongs. We must remain vigilant in the battle for our liberty and our overall well-being.

    I can't speak for all, but I'm not sure airport security is a 'wrong'. As much as I hope the pilot got a good night's sleep, I fly much more peaceful knowing some wacko isn't planning on taking the plane down and has the means to do it because people think it is a violation of our freedom to thoroughly inspect those choosing to fly. If it means I have to take my shoes off and plop my half finished water in the garbage before the security line then so be it.

    Children should be taught why airport security is in place and they should feel comfortable that those measures are designed for their safety. Christ, what are we talking about here?

    This thread is ridiculous and becoming more so by the post.
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  • vant0037vant0037 Posts: 6,116
    edited August 2013
    unsung wrote:
    Thank you. My original "textbook" comment may have been jumping the gun but I mentioned in a following post that I too was awaiting the full story. I could edit the title but really what's the point. I'm good with it.

    Children should not be de-sensitized to wrongs. We must remain vigilant in the battle for our liberty and our overall well-being.

    Again, what's the problem you're trying to address here? What are you arguing? That the image of Olivia the Pig being searched and being "pleased" with it is actually an insidious attempt to convince kids...what?

    If you want to argue that media in all it's forms is subtle, pervasive, persuasive and thus, potentially very dangerous, that's fine. I think everyone will agree with you. I certainly do.

    But that's not really your point is it. You didn't pick out a story about the subliminal messaging about body image for young women or the hyper-capitalism of Christmas. You picked one that had to do with a very specific type of search.

    So I'll ask it directly: what is wrong with kids being taught that searches before flying is a good thing? Is your implication with this thread that kids should actually fear searches at the airport? Should Olivia the Pig have actually said "fuck off pigs :lol: , this is an unacceptable form of government tyranny! This isn't about safety - this is cops run amok!" Are you trying to claim that kids being convinced that "airport searches are acceptable" means they will also accept warrantless searches in the rest of their lives? If so, where's your proof? What's the rest of the story about?

    The internet is killing intelligent discourse. Unvetted image or statement --> instantly transmitted --> impulsive response --> commentary that's baseless, irrational or not thought out --> instantly transmitted. Sadly, that's kind of the common theme in these threads.

    I haven't read the book, but I'll wager that it's not about random sobriety checkpoints, mass electronic wiretaps, or whistleblower trials. So what's it all about this time? I appreciate your second post, in which you confess that you too need to see what the rest of the story is about. Maybe you should do that next time before you fire off a baseless thread.
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