Wow!! Ames variant sold

pjungers

I've now seen 7 of these sell for $800 or more. Those high prices are no longer outliers. Sure, you can "bid up" your own auction 1 or 2 times, but the fact that multiples of these have sold at such high prices means that this is what the market is willing to pay.

Highly unlikely that all these guys and their friends are shill bidding.

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pjungers wrote:

I've now seen 7 of these sell for $800 or more. Those high prices are no longer outliers. Sure, you can "bid up" your own auction 1 or 2 times, but the fact that multiples of these have sold at such high prices means that this is what the market is willing to pay.

Highly unlikely that all these guys and their friends are shill bidding.

Exactly! There isn't some underground poster mafia.
All the owners couldn't have gotten together and conspired to take the posters value up 1000%, or at least nobody called me.

63schoefflin

Yeah I never imagined them getting this high, this quick. Pretty wild honestly considering the limited buyers (compared to the entire poster collecting world).

SZ303389

dimitrispearljam wrote:

ahill721 wrote:

pulling69 wrote:

I am 99 percent sure that was bid up by the guy selling it(or his friends but either way) no sane person would spend that much on that poster. Not a legit price.

I thought that too. He/she could bump up the price potentially to themselves.

i have no doubts about that..

i suppose you "have no doubts" someone bid up the $1259.99 one too, lol. i think not...several oeople lost out just under that amount...i suppose ALL of them were in on it? its a killer poster, going to be the highest PJ poster ever someday.

SZ303389

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pjungers wrote:

I've now seen 7 of these sell for $800 or more. Those high prices are no longer outliers. Sure, you can "bid up" your own auction 1 or 2 times, but the fact that multiples of these have sold at such high prices means that this is what the market is willing to pay.

Highly unlikely that all these guys and their friends are shill bidding.

Exactly! There isn't some underground poster mafia.
All the owners couldn't have gotten together and conspired to take the posters value up 1000%, or at least nobody called me.

well said...plus one guy lost the last one at $1253 and me at $1200...i guess ALL of us were in on bidding that one up? people say some dumb stuff sometimes. it'll be worth $3k soon, i've been right so far, trust me, i know my cubs fans and PJ fans. the most loyal and craziest ever!

SZ303389

dimitrispearljam wrote:

Hoccapuk wrote:

Highest so far $1259.99 :shock: How high will it go :roll:

if i want tomorrow i can list a ten opened used cd at ebay and "sell it" for 200.000$..
ill put 2 friends to bid all day..!!!

you're not thinking straight dude...each of these auctions has 20+ people still in the bidding when it hits these high numbers. i know what my max bid was 2 weeks ago...$1252, guess i'm kind of a "prophet" if you will. it'll keep going, and legitimately too. only 45 of them, and people now realize that once these few are gone, and the people that are true fans and collectors get theirs, they will no longer be for sale at ANY price!! just glad i got one!!

dimitrispearljam

SZ303389 wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

Hoccapuk wrote:

Highest so far $1259.99 :shock: How high will it go :roll:

if i want tomorrow i can list a ten opened used cd at ebay and "sell it" for 200.000$..
ill put 2 friends to bid all day..!!!

you're not thinking straight dude...each of these auctions has 20+ people still in the bidding when it hits these high numbers. i know what my max bid was 2 weeks ago...$1252, guess i'm kind of a "prophet" if you will. it'll keep going, and legitimately too. only 45 of them, and people now realize that once these few are gone, and the people that are true fans and collectors get theirs, they will no longer be for sale at ANY price!! just glad i got one!!

i have a lot of pj friends..

Uncle Snuffy

I'm going to say that someone paying $500+ is not buying it to flip. They're buying it for their personal collection. I know I paid more than I wanted when I bought mine. But I had to have it. I figured if I didn't buy it now I'd never have the opportunity to buy one again. There are only 45 of them out in the public. The other 10 are being archived by Ames. Can anyone else think of a PJ poster that was done in a more limited run? I can't.

- Uncle Snuffy

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Uncle Snuffy wrote:

I'm going to say that someone paying $500+ is not buying it to flip. They're buying it for their personal collection. I know I paid more than I wanted when I bought mine. But I had to have it. I figured if I didn't buy it now I'd never have the opportunity to buy one again. There are only 45 of them out in the public. The other 10 are being archived by Ames. Can anyone else think of a PJ poster that was done in a more limited run? I can't.

- Uncle Snuffy

That's why I asked the question "Will this be the most valuable and limited availibilty PJ poster ever?"

I don't think that's an overreaction to the newness of the poster, either. I know some are saying that it's only a variant and that the purple edition is just the same. Or that if you want to get one, there are thousands of the other color.

But it isn't the same as the show edition or AP....it's Wrigley and it's Cubs red and blue. It's Ames and it's the epic-type show that lasted until 2 a.m. with a rain delay. And it's only going to grow in legend!

tempo_n_groove

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Uncle Snuffy wrote:

I'm going to say that someone paying $500+ is not buying it to flip. They're buying it for their personal collection. I know I paid more than I wanted when I bought mine. But I had to have it. I figured if I didn't buy it now I'd never have the opportunity to buy one again. There are only 45 of them out in the public. The other 10 are being archived by Ames. Can anyone else think of a PJ poster that was done in a more limited run? I can't.

- Uncle Snuffy

That's why I asked the question "Will this be the most valuable and limited availibilty PJ poster ever?"

I don't think that's an overreaction to the newness of the poster, either. I know some are saying that it's only a variant and that the purple edition is just the same. Or that if you want to get one, there are thousands of the other color.

But it isn't the same as the show edition or AP....it's Wrigley and it's Cubs red and blue. It's Ames and it's the epic-type show that lasted until 2 a.m. with a rain delay. And it's only going to grow in legend!

What about the cards? Everyone is busting packs to make sets. Sealed ones will command a premium in the long run. I would be curious to how they stack up, granted there isn't 45 of them. It's the only thing that I see making a run for it because they are going to dry up too.

Uncle Snuffy

tempo_n_groove wrote:

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Uncle Snuffy wrote:

I'm going to say that someone paying $500+ is not buying it to flip. They're buying it for their personal collection. I know I paid more than I wanted when I bought mine. But I had to have it. I figured if I didn't buy it now I'd never have the opportunity to buy one again. There are only 45 of them out in the public. The other 10 are being archived by Ames. Can anyone else think of a PJ poster that was done in a more limited run? I can't.

- Uncle Snuffy

That's why I asked the question "Will this be the most valuable and limited availibilty PJ poster ever?"

I don't think that's an overreaction to the newness of the poster, either. I know some are saying that it's only a variant and that the purple edition is just the same. Or that if you want to get one, there are thousands of the other color.

But it isn't the same as the show edition or AP....it's Wrigley and it's Cubs red and blue. It's Ames and it's the epic-type show that lasted until 2 a.m. with a rain delay. And it's only going to grow in legend!

What about the cards? Everyone is busting packs to make sets. Sealed ones will command a premium in the long run. I would be curious to how they stack up, granted there isn't 45 of them. It's the only thing that I see making a run for it because they are going to dry up too.

The cards are highly sought after right now. I think they're a pretty cool idea. I just don't know about how interest in them will hold up since its hard to creatively display a sealed pack of cards. I personally wouldn't have interest in looking at a sealed pack of cards the same way I would in looking at a poster framed up nice and hanging on the wall.

- Uncle Snuffy

tempo_n_groove

What about the cards? Everyone is busting packs to make sets. Sealed ones will command a premium in the long run. I would be curious to how they stack up, granted there isn't 45 of them. It's the only thing that I see making a run for it because they are going to dry up too.[/quote]

The cards are highly sought after right now. I think they're a pretty cool idea. I just don't know about how interest in them will hold up since its hard to creatively display a sealed pack of cards. I personally wouldn't have interest in looking at a sealed pack of cards the same way I would in looking at a poster framed up nice and hanging on the wall.

- Uncle Snuffy[/quote]

EV Lighters are highly sought after and I would say there are quite a few more than the cards. I do agree a poster is better but when the well goes dry so rises the price.

Is there anything besides the Benny that even compares, and there is 2000 of those?

pjungers

Uncle Snuffy wrote:

tempo_n_groove wrote:

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That's why I asked the question "Will this be the most valuable and limited availibilty PJ poster ever?"

I don't think that's an overreaction to the newness of the poster, either. I know some are saying that it's only a variant and that the purple edition is just the same. Or that if you want to get one, there are thousands of the other color.

But it isn't the same as the show edition or AP....it's Wrigley and it's Cubs red and blue. It's Ames and it's the epic-type show that lasted until 2 a.m. with a rain delay. And it's only going to grow in legend!

What about the cards? Everyone is busting packs to make sets. Sealed ones will command a premium in the long run. I would be curious to how they stack up, granted there isn't 45 of them. It's the only thing that I see making a run for it because they are going to dry up too.

The cards are highly sought after right now. I think they're a pretty cool idea. I just don't know about how interest in them will hold up since its hard to creatively display a sealed pack of cards. I personally wouldn't have interest in looking at a sealed pack of cards the same way I would in looking at a poster framed up nice and hanging on the wall.

- Uncle Snuffy

Chances of those cards showing up in the Goods section at some point - ??%
Chances of the Ames Variant showing up in the Goods section - 0%

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if those cards pop up one of these days.

PJ51390

tempo_n_groove wrote:

What about the cards? Everyone is busting packs to make sets. Sealed ones will command a premium in the long run. I would be curious to how they stack up, granted there isn't 45 of them. It's the only thing that I see making a run for it because they are going to dry up too.

The cards are highly sought after right now. I think they're a pretty cool idea. I just don't know about how interest in them will hold up since its hard to creatively display a sealed pack of cards. I personally wouldn't have interest in looking at a sealed pack of cards the same way I would in looking at a poster framed up nice and hanging on the wall.

- Uncle Snuffy[/quote]

EV Lighters are highly sought after and I would say there are quite a few more than the cards. I do agree a poster is better but when the well goes dry so rises the price.

Is there anything besides the Benny that even compares, and there is 2000 of those?[/quote]

The PJ20 Billboard prints...

lotsalemon

Uncle Snuffy wrote:

There are only 45 of them out in the public. The other 10 are being archived by Ames. Can anyone else think of a PJ poster that was done in a more limited run? I can't.

- Uncle Snuffy

There's always the 2011 Toronto purple moose variant from Munk One, only 20 of those were printed.

I know it may not be in the same league as the Ames Wrigley variant, but it is still extremely limited.

Haywood Yablomee

The Costa Rican posters were of 20...

Haywood Yablomee

An Ames variant sold really quick in the dead of the night, last night for $900...

FrankBauer

lotsalemon wrote:

Uncle Snuffy wrote:

There are only 45 of them out in the public. The other 10 are being archived by Ames. Can anyone else think of a PJ poster that was done in a more limited run? I can't.

- Uncle Snuffy

There's always the 2011 Toronto purple moose variant from Munk One, only 20 of those were printed.

I know it may not be in the same league as the Ames Wrigley variant, but it is still extremely limited.

technically variants shouldn't count in the discussion for limited runs since its the same image. alot of the variants are small runs, especially if they werent placed in the stacks as a surprise at the show....the munk toronto and soto bird has 20. and cliver had a few. what about the emek eddie foil? PJ CCFA posters had variants that were low numbers as well. i have a sean carroll PJ cleveland 03 chipboard variant that has a run of 6. makes me curious which PJ poster actually is the most limited. i guess a case can be made for the emek SB 06 since emek probably has a stack sitting in his garage.

dimitrispearljam

FrankBauer wrote:

technically variants shouldn't count in the discussion for limited runs since its the same image. alot of the variants are small runs, especially if they werent placed in the stacks as a surprise at the show....the munk toronto and soto bird has 20. and cliver had a few. what about the emek eddie foil? PJ CCFA posters had variants that were low numbers as well. i have a sean carroll PJ cleveland 03 chipboard variant that has a run of 6. makes me curious which PJ poster actually is the most limited. i guess a case can be made for the emek SB 06 since emek probably has a stack sitting in his garage.

i really like your knowledge about posters..i always find helpfull and intresting your posts

Uncle Snuffy

FrankBauer wrote:

lotsalemon wrote:

Uncle Snuffy wrote:

There are only 45 of them out in the public. The other 10 are being archived by Ames. Can anyone else think of a PJ poster that was done in a more limited run? I can't.

- Uncle Snuffy

There's always the 2011 Toronto purple moose variant from Munk One, only 20 of those were printed.

I know it may not be in the same league as the Ames Wrigley variant, but it is still extremely limited.

technically variants shouldn't count in the discussion for limited runs since its the same image. alot of the variants are small runs, especially if they werent placed in the stacks as a surprise at the show....the munk toronto and soto bird has 20. and cliver had a few. what about the emek eddie foil? PJ CCFA posters had variants that were low numbers as well. i have a sean carroll PJ cleveland 03 chipboard variant that has a run of 6. makes me curious which PJ poster actually is the most limited. i guess a case can be made for the emek SB 06 since emek probably has a stack sitting in his garage.

I've rethought my position on this after your post. I agree. A variant shouldn't count as a limited run of a poster as it is of the same image...just different colors.

Uncle Snuffy

FrankBauer wrote:

lotsalemon wrote:

Uncle Snuffy wrote:

There are only 45 of them out in the public. The other 10 are being archived by Ames. Can anyone else think of a PJ poster that was done in a more limited run? I can't.

- Uncle Snuffy

There's always the 2011 Toronto purple moose variant from Munk One, only 20 of those were printed.

I know it may not be in the same league as the Ames Wrigley variant, but it is still extremely limited.

technically variants shouldn't count in the discussion for limited runs since its the same image. alot of the variants are small runs, especially if they werent placed in the stacks as a surprise at the show....the munk toronto and soto bird has 20. and cliver had a few. what about the emek eddie foil? PJ CCFA posters had variants that were low numbers as well. i have a sean carroll PJ cleveland 03 chipboard variant that has a run of 6. makes me curious which PJ poster actually is the most limited. i guess a case can be made for the emek SB 06 since emek probably has a stack sitting in his garage.

I'm not sure what poster had the most limited run. I've seen the number of 300 to 400 for posters from their Yield Tour. I think the run for the Blackie 2000 Chicago poster was to be 125 but not all were released to the public.

- Uncle Snuffy

goingtoverona

personally i'd have to pick emek's pj ny mirrorball poster. there were only 10 of them made, the last one on ebay was listed at 5 g's but was sold for best offer and I don't know what that was. but as far as rarity is concerned, it's up there.

Uncle Snuffy

goingtoverona wrote:

personally i'd have to pick emek's pj ny mirrorball poster. there were only 10 of them made, the last one on ebay was listed at 5 g's but was sold for best offer and I don't know what that was. but as far as rarity is concerned, it's up there.

I'm not familiar with that poster. But since Mirror Ball was a Neil Young album wouldn't that poster technically be considered a Neil Young poster?

- Uncle Snuffy

SZ303389

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Uncle Snuffy wrote:

I'm going to say that someone paying $500+ is not buying it to flip. They're buying it for their personal collection. I know I paid more than I wanted when I bought mine. But I had to have it. I figured if I didn't buy it now I'd never have the opportunity to buy one again. There are only 45 of them out in the public. The other 10 are being archived by Ames. Can anyone else think of a PJ poster that was done in a more limited run? I can't.

- Uncle Snuffy

That's why I asked the question "Will this be the most valuable and limited availibilty PJ poster ever?"

I don't think that's an overreaction to the newness of the poster, either. I know some are saying that it's only a variant and that the purple edition is just the same. Or that if you want to get one, there are thousands of the other color.

But it isn't the same as the show edition or AP....it's Wrigley and it's Cubs red and blue. It's Ames and it's the epic-type show that lasted until 2 a.m. with a rain delay. And it's only going to grow in legend!

precisely, couldn't agree more. wait until the sales run dry...price goes to the moon.

goingtoverona

yeah i guess that could be either or, i'm pretty sure it says pearl jam in the little flames circle and the obvious big PJ in the middle, for me that classifies as a pearl jam poster. but it does say mirrorball i think which is neil.

Uncle Snuffy wrote:

goingtoverona wrote:

personally i'd have to pick emek's pj ny mirrorball poster. there were only 10 of them made, the last one on ebay was listed at 5 g's but was sold for best offer and I don't know what that was. but as far as rarity is concerned, it's up there.

I'm not familiar with that poster. But since Mirror Ball was a Neil Young album wouldn't that poster technically be considered a Neil Young poster?

- Uncle Snuffy

juddboz80

goingtoverona wrote:

yeah i guess that could be either or, i'm pretty sure it says pearl jam in the little flames circle and the obvious big PJ in the middle, for me that classifies as a pearl jam poster. but it does say mirrorball i think which is neil.

Uncle Snuffy wrote:

goingtoverona wrote:

personally i'd have to pick emek's pj ny mirrorball poster. there were only 10 of them made, the last one on ebay was listed at 5 g's but was sold for best offer and I don't know what that was. but as far as rarity is concerned, it's up there.

I'm not familiar with that poster. But since Mirror Ball was a Neil Young album wouldn't that poster technically be considered a Neil Young poster?

- Uncle Snuffy

Are u sure it says pearl jam? I thought mirrorball had the initials ny on it

goingtoverona

it has pj and ny instead of the regular one. i could be wrong, but i think i remember seeing a close up pic of the flame circle and it said pearl jam in small letters. but that was like ten years ago so maybe i'm remembering wrong.

http://expressobeans.com/public/detail.php/510

this is the one i'm talking about, but it's hard to see close up of the fire ring.

PJCubs

Frank,

Thank You for your insight.

Could you expound on your thought that a variant shouldn't be counted as its own run?

In my mind, Ames had three posters at Wrigley. Ames Show Print, Ames S/N AP Print, and Ames S/N Variant Print. All the same 'image' but produced / marketed differently. All are listed separately anywhere you look and are definitely on the path to establish independent market values.

I understand from an 'art' standpoint that it was no more work for the artist to create the AP or Variant but obviously the public disagrees and views / values each independently from the other.

I am relatively new to poster collecting and am enjoying it.

I would appreciate further insight!

Thanks,

Bob

FrankBauer wrote:

lotsalemon wrote:

Uncle Snuffy wrote:

There are only 45 of them out in the public. The other 10 are being archived by Ames. Can anyone else think of a PJ poster that was done in a more limited run? I can't.

- Uncle Snuffy

There's always the 2011 Toronto purple moose variant from Munk One, only 20 of those were printed.

I know it may not be in the same league as the Ames Wrigley variant, but it is still extremely limited.

technically variants shouldn't count in the discussion for limited runs since its the same image. alot of the variants are small runs, especially if they werent placed in the stacks as a surprise at the show....the munk toronto and soto bird has 20. and cliver had a few. what about the emek eddie foil? PJ CCFA posters had variants that were low numbers as well. i have a sean carroll PJ cleveland 03 chipboard variant that has a run of 6. makes me curious which PJ poster actually is the most limited. i guess a case can be made for the emek SB 06 since emek probably has a stack sitting in his garage.

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There we have it, two sold in a row over $1,100!!!


NUCLEAR!!

Uncle Snuffy

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There we have it, two sold in a row over $1,100!!!


NUCLEAR!!

In other words....... BOOM ! ! ! ! ! (GASPAR)

- Uncle Snuffy