The left is all lies the media you watch on TV is all lies. The right news some times tells part of the truth but not all the left have taken over the schools, the brain washing is unreal and to one the conservative way for the most part is the best way. God family and guns. The left have divied this country enough. no jobs and a very bad economy is all being done on purpose you have to do your own homework and not watch the media. The media is all lies and helps control you and put fear into you. Wake up America lets take a stand and take our country back, it maybe to late but will still have to try. Look at history everything there doing its never work in any country and they just keep slowly striping away our rights. I dont have kids but if you do dont you want them to have the freedom that we have had the last 50 years and the healtcare thing is the biggest joke do your home work there will be death pannels telling who can get this or that done and who cant. Just like the IRS scandel and they will be running the healtcare, read the bill. Benguzi 4 americans dead , fast in furious , Agenda 21 , we fund alquida how ever you spell it, come on man. Cant buy what i want because it free.
And he goes back, BACK , BACK to the wall and it's... just foul to the right!
Liberals, conservatives, Republicans, Democrats, Tea Partiers, anarchists- we sure get into it here sometimes. As much as I generally avoid using labels to describe myself I'm sure I fit into a few of these categories and I try to keep in mind is that there are people here with whom I've had strong disagreements but never-the-less have developed friendships with and for whom I have a lot of respect. It doesn't mean you have to compromise your beliefs and sparring fairly is not always a bad thing.
Sometimes the gaps are just too big to jump or the chemistry is just all wrong but often, when the intent is to be open minded or accept some differences and if you at least have similar moral or ethical stances with someone the gap can be bridged and you can be friends- good friends even.
Ahh, brian you have said it so well. Depends on the topic, depends on the situation, but I can be a little of all the above!
And maybe a little hippy as well
Perhaps some are easily distracted by the titles then they can keep ignoring the problem?
Are we getting something out of this all-encompassing trip?
Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...
I think I figured out what is up with liberals while discussing America, slavery, and genocide.
It seems that liberals project ideas, attitudes, thoughts, feelings, and even actions onto others. I think this is the reason why liberal/left wing people are absolutely unable to debate people who are not liberal. They seem to think of people only as an equal part of the group they are assigning to that person. They are unable to imagine that all people are individuals so they can't accept an argument when a person deviates from the box they believe they are in.
And on the other hand liberals project greatness, kindness, and intelligence on those who are also liberals.
I think it is a natural and normal thing to do because it feels good. But it is also the easiest because it requires no depth of knowledge. It's the nice thing to do and therefore starts with support and ends with the phrases, talking points, cartoons, and demagoguery that inform all their opinions.
I was born a Democrat, voted straight Dem, and campaigned for Democrats. But 21st century Democrats are way way gone.
IMO
Liberals still think the country belongs to the people.. equally .. all of the people and that life and health are valuable
I always have to laugh at the "lump everyone into one big ball" arguments.
it's about as stupid a statement as one could make. there are just as many idiotic/intelligent democrats as idiotic/intelligent republicans as idiotic/intelligent tea partiers. everyone has an agenda, and everyone wants to push it on everybody else. no politic party is different from the other except in terms of ideals.
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I always have to laugh at the "lump everyone into one big ball" arguments.
it's about as stupid a statement as one could make. there are just as many idiotic/intelligent democrats as idiotic/intelligent republicans as idiotic/intelligent tea partiers. everyone has an agenda, and everyone wants to push it on everybody else. no politic party is different from the other except in terms of ideals.
I agree ... except that agenda doesn't include the citizens anymore.
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"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
Liberals, conservatives, Republicans, Democrats, Tea Partiers, anarchists- we sure get into it here sometimes. As much as I generally avoid using labels to describe myself I'm sure I fit into a few of these categories and I try to keep in mind is that there are people here with whom I've had strong disagreements but never-the-less have developed friendships with and for whom I have a lot of respect. It doesn't mean you have to compromise your beliefs and sparring fairly is not always a bad thing.
Sometimes the gaps are just too big to jump or the chemistry is just all wrong but often, when the intent is to be open minded or accept some differences and if you at least have similar moral or ethical stances with someone the gap can be bridged and you can be friends- good friends even.
Ahh, brian you have said it so well. Depends on the topic, depends on the situation, but I can be a little of all the above!
And maybe a little hippy as well
Perhaps some are easily distracted by the titles then they can keep ignoring the problem?
I think that's why I so very much appreciate the first Henry Rollins quote in my signature!
I always have to laugh at the "lump everyone into one big ball" arguments.
it's about as stupid a statement as one could make. there are just as many idiotic/intelligent democrats as idiotic/intelligent republicans as idiotic/intelligent tea partiers. everyone has an agenda, and everyone wants to push it on everybody else. no politic party is different from the other except in terms of ideals.
Exactly!
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
I like when people try to understand where someone else is coming from. I don't like when they try to figure out what is wrong with someone who disagrees with them. Debating Liberals, democrats, conservatives, republicans is always possible, debating extremists within those groups or extremists in general is difficult.
In fact, most people want the same things for all of the country; opportunity for a good life. Some are more Utopian (my personal beliefs seem to be impossible for a country this size or any really, unfortunately) and some are more authoritarian (for lack of a better term), republicans and democrats both are guilty of wanting to tell others how they should live.
The best way to live will never be found, no one has all the answers, and there is nothing wrong with people for thinking differently.
And republicans and conservatives are just as guilty of looking at people as groups and then attributing motivations to them. Example: President Obama is not an extreme socialist, although he has been grouped in with them and presented as one because of a few associations he has had in his life.
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
I like when people try to understand where someone else is coming from. I don't like when they try to figure out what is wrong with someone who disagrees with them. Debating Liberals, democrats, conservatives, republicans is always possible, debating extremists within those groups or extremists in general is difficult.
In fact, most people want the same things for all of the country; opportunity for a good life. Some are more Utopian (my personal beliefs seem to be impossible for a country this size or any really, unfortunately) and some are more authoritarian (for lack of a better term), republicans and democrats both are guilty of wanting to tell others how they should live.
The best way to live will never be found, no one has all the answers, and there is nothing wrong with people for thinking differently.
And republicans and conservatives are just as guilty of looking at people as groups and then attributing motivations to them. Example: President Obama is not an extreme socialist, although he has been grouped in with them and presented as one because of a few associations he has had in his life.
I think I figured out what is up with liberals while discussing America, slavery, and genocide.
It seems that liberals project ideas, attitudes, thoughts, feelings, and even actions onto others. I think this is the reason why liberal/left wing people are absolutely unable to debate people who are not liberal. They seem to think of people only as an equal part of the group they are assigning to that person. They are unable to imagine that all people are individuals so they can't accept an argument when a person deviates from the box they believe they are in.
And on the other hand liberals project greatness, kindness, and intelligence on those who are also liberals.
I think it is a natural and normal thing to do because it feels good. But it is also the easiest because it requires no depth of knowledge. It's the nice thing to do and therefore starts with support and ends with the phrases, talking points, cartoons, and demagoguery that inform all their opinions.
I was born a Democrat, voted straight Dem, and campaigned for Democrats. But 21st century Democrats are way way gone.
IMO
I beg to differ. I believe liberals think in a bubble not squares. Trying to break down the "square" bricks in the wall of ignorance. See past today... to see the greater picture, and lead through a string of events to help the greater picture come to fruition which inevitably will help evolve mankind.
By the Way... Democrats are not all liberal nor are all liberals democrats.
I think I figured out what is up with liberals while discussing America, slavery, and genocide.
It seems that liberals project ideas, attitudes, thoughts, feelings, and even actions onto others. I think this is the reason why liberal/left wing people are absolutely unable to debate people who are not liberal. They seem to think of people only as an equal part of the group they are assigning to that person. They are unable to imagine that all people are individuals so they can't accept an argument when a person deviates from the box they believe they are in.
And on the other hand liberals project greatness, kindness, and intelligence on those who are also liberals.
I think it is a natural and normal thing to do because it feels good. But it is also the easiest because it requires no depth of knowledge. It's the nice thing to do and therefore starts with support and ends with the phrases, talking points, cartoons, and demagoguery that inform all their opinions.
I was born a Democrat, voted straight Dem, and campaigned for Democrats. But 21st century Democrats are way way gone.
IMO
I beg to differ. I believe liberals think in a bubble not squares. Trying to break down the "square" bricks in the wall of ignorance. See past today... to see the greater picture, and lead through a string of events to help the greater picture come to fruition which inevitably will help evolve mankind.
By the Way... Democrats are not all liberal nor are all liberals democrats.
I like the last statement.
This will be good conversation.
Anyone on this website a conservative liberal?
live and let live...unless it violates the pearligious doctrine.
I think people use the term "liberal" because Rush Limbaugh/Hannity/Savage use the term.
"Conservative" used to mean someone who preferred small government, small taxes. We know for a fact that the conservatives in charge most recently have voted for massive deficits due to tax cuts and wars, a huge government undertaking with the Patriot Act, etc.
Anymore conservative means someone who fights for the wealthy at the expense of everyone else whether the wealthy want it or not.
Liberal is everyone else.
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I think I figured out what is up with liberals while discussing America, slavery, and genocide.
It seems that liberals project ideas, attitudes, thoughts, feelings, and even actions onto others. I think this is the reason why liberal/left wing people are absolutely unable to debate people who are not liberal. They seem to think of people only as an equal part of the group they are assigning to that person. They are unable to imagine that all people are individuals so they can't accept an argument when a person deviates from the box they believe they are in.
And on the other hand liberals project greatness, kindness, and intelligence on those who are also liberals.
I think it is a natural and normal thing to do because it feels good. But it is also the easiest because it requires no depth of knowledge. It's the nice thing to do and therefore starts with support and ends with the phrases, talking points, cartoons, and demagoguery that inform all their opinions.
I was born a Democrat, voted straight Dem, and campaigned for Democrats. But 21st century Democrats are way way gone.
IMO
I beg to differ. I believe liberals think in a bubble not squares. Trying to break down the "square" bricks in the wall of ignorance. See past today... to see the greater picture, and lead through a string of events to help the greater picture come to fruition which inevitably will help evolve mankind.
By the Way... Democrats are not all liberal nor are all liberals democrats.
I like the last statement.
This will be good conversation.
Anyone on this website a conservative liberal?
I am probably as close to that as you will find.
I think we need fiscal responsibility in government but we also have responsibility to care for those who need as a society. I believe it is in everyone's best interest to help the poor and those in need, but I don't believe the best way to do that is through gov't.
I am for small government. I am against foreign war, I am against drug wars, I am against all intrusion into personal privacy without due process. I could go on but you get the point.
You don't have to be conservative or liberal, you just have to think for yourself, and be consistent in a set of principles.
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
They are for the working class.
They are against discrimination
They are pro-choice
They are against war
They believe health care is a right, not an option
They believe that science holds the key to the future, rather than looking at religion to keep the past.
Environmental issues, like global warming, are in fact, a really big problem.
Economical Reasoning
Keeping taxation up to preserve the welfare of the people - you have to spend money to make money.
Sometimes life deals you lemons. Its up to those with lemonade to quench the thirsty.
We need good schools and roads and firefighters and domestic safety. These are not cheap.
"Oh, the government just lowered my tax rate from 33% to 32%. Now I can hire 3 more people per hour that my business doesn't need." - Said no Owner and/or CEO Ever.
Tax the rich. Feed the poor.
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They are for the working class.
They are against discrimination
They are pro-choice
They are against war
They believe health care is a right, not an option
They believe that science holds the key to the future, rather than looking at religion to keep the past.
Environmental issues, like global warming, are in fact, a really big problem.
Economical Reasoning
Keeping taxation up to preserve the welfare of the people - you have to spend money to make money.
Sometimes life deals you lemons. Its up to those with lemonade to quench the thirsty.
We need good schools and roads and firefighters and domestic safety. These are not cheap.
"Oh, the government just lowered my tax rate from 33% to 32%. Now I can hire 3 more people per hour that my business doesn't need." - Said no Owner and/or CEO Ever.
Tax the rich. Feed the poor.
Good show, jethrojam! I was just thinking, why are we afraid to say "I love liberals?" I hesitate to apply labels to myself and I know some very conservative people for whom I have a lot of love but, yeah, generally and for the most part, I love liberals too.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Liberal politicians are different from liberal voters.
That's as good as saying politicians are different from voters. Politicians are in a different class altogether; they're bought by special interest groups and lobbyists, have their "careers for life" and they take advantage of that, they take advantage of the other class: the voters, and have only money in their own interests, not the people.
I am a progressive liberal. I don't care what anyone thinks of me, I challenge the status quo, I beg people to wake up and to question EVERYTHING. If that makes me a bad person, than so be it. We're all crippled by our own thoughts, yet we have the power to change our thoughts at the same time. Judging others with any sort of label and putting them down is just a testament to whom we are, the judgers, and whom society wants us to be. Break free of the mold and treat everyone as ONE. Because we're all in this boat together.
Liberal politicians are different from liberal voters.
That's as good as saying politicians are different from voters. Politicians are in a different class altogether; they're bought by special interest groups and lobbyists, have their "careers for life" and they take advantage of that, they take advantage of the other class: the voters, and have only money in their own interests, not the people.
I am a progressive liberal. I don't care what anyone thinks of me, I challenge the status quo, I beg people to wake up and to question EVERYTHING. If that makes me a bad person, than so be it. We're all crippled by our own thoughts, yet we have the power to change our thoughts at the same time. Judging others with any sort of label and putting them down is just a testament to whom we are, the judgers, and whom society wants us to be. Break free of the mold and treat everyone as ONE. Because we're all in this boat together.
You rock.
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Ahh, brian you have said it so well. Depends on the topic, depends on the situation, but I can be a little of all the above!
And maybe a little hippy as well
Perhaps some are easily distracted by the titles then they can keep ignoring the problem?
Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...
I AM MINE
What a horrible notion, the bastards!!!
it's about as stupid a statement as one could make. there are just as many idiotic/intelligent democrats as idiotic/intelligent republicans as idiotic/intelligent tea partiers. everyone has an agenda, and everyone wants to push it on everybody else. no politic party is different from the other except in terms of ideals.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
I agree ... except that agenda doesn't include the citizens anymore.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
I think that's why I so very much appreciate the first Henry Rollins quote in my signature!
Exactly!
I love liberals.
In fact, most people want the same things for all of the country; opportunity for a good life. Some are more Utopian (my personal beliefs seem to be impossible for a country this size or any really, unfortunately) and some are more authoritarian (for lack of a better term), republicans and democrats both are guilty of wanting to tell others how they should live.
The best way to live will never be found, no one has all the answers, and there is nothing wrong with people for thinking differently.
And republicans and conservatives are just as guilty of looking at people as groups and then attributing motivations to them. Example: President Obama is not an extreme socialist, although he has been grouped in with them and presented as one because of a few associations he has had in his life.
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
Well said.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
By the Way... Democrats are not all liberal nor are all liberals democrats.
I like the last statement.
This will be good conversation.
Anyone on this website a conservative liberal?
you mean the same way SOME (see what I did there?) conservatives were all up in arms when Ed wore a GWB mask? it goes both ways.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
"Conservative" used to mean someone who preferred small government, small taxes. We know for a fact that the conservatives in charge most recently have voted for massive deficits due to tax cuts and wars, a huge government undertaking with the Patriot Act, etc.
Anymore conservative means someone who fights for the wealthy at the expense of everyone else whether the wealthy want it or not.
Liberal is everyone else.
The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
I enjoyed the bush mask during those years.
It would have made a statement if he would have had the courage to do the same with obama.
That would be punk rock.
As for going both ways? I do not read much around here from anyone pissed off about obomas politics.
It could be...most here like obamas politics.
actually, I have read PLENTY of comments from left-leaners who have been disappointed in Obama's record thus far on many different topics.
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Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
...pelosi
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Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
That made me laugh also.
I am probably as close to that as you will find.
I think we need fiscal responsibility in government but we also have responsibility to care for those who need as a society. I believe it is in everyone's best interest to help the poor and those in need, but I don't believe the best way to do that is through gov't.
I am for small government. I am against foreign war, I am against drug wars, I am against all intrusion into personal privacy without due process. I could go on but you get the point.
You don't have to be conservative or liberal, you just have to think for yourself, and be consistent in a set of principles.
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
well said.
and i believe, left to our own devices, we will help others.
Yet-not interested in the killing of an ambassador?
They are for the working class.
They are against discrimination
They are pro-choice
They are against war
They believe health care is a right, not an option
They believe that science holds the key to the future, rather than looking at religion to keep the past.
Environmental issues, like global warming, are in fact, a really big problem.
Economical Reasoning
Keeping taxation up to preserve the welfare of the people - you have to spend money to make money.
Sometimes life deals you lemons. Its up to those with lemonade to quench the thirsty.
We need good schools and roads and firefighters and domestic safety. These are not cheap.
"Oh, the government just lowered my tax rate from 33% to 32%. Now I can hire 3 more people per hour that my business doesn't need." - Said no Owner and/or CEO Ever.
Tax the rich. Feed the poor.
Good show, jethrojam! I was just thinking, why are we afraid to say "I love liberals?" I hesitate to apply labels to myself and I know some very conservative people for whom I have a lot of love but, yeah, generally and for the most part, I love liberals too.
That's as good as saying politicians are different from voters. Politicians are in a different class altogether; they're bought by special interest groups and lobbyists, have their "careers for life" and they take advantage of that, they take advantage of the other class: the voters, and have only money in their own interests, not the people.
I am a progressive liberal. I don't care what anyone thinks of me, I challenge the status quo, I beg people to wake up and to question EVERYTHING. If that makes me a bad person, than so be it. We're all crippled by our own thoughts, yet we have the power to change our thoughts at the same time. Judging others with any sort of label and putting them down is just a testament to whom we are, the judgers, and whom society wants us to be. Break free of the mold and treat everyone as ONE. Because we're all in this boat together.
You rock.