Love liberals...

otter

I think I figured out what is up with liberals while discussing America, slavery, and genocide.

It seems that liberals project ideas, attitudes, thoughts, feelings, and even actions onto others. I think this is the reason why liberal/left wing people are absolutely unable to debate people who are not liberal. They seem to think of people only as an equal part of the group they are assigning to that person. They are unable to imagine that all people are individuals so they can't accept an argument when a person deviates from the box they believe they are in.

And on the other hand liberals project greatness, kindness, and intelligence on those who are also liberals.

I think it is a natural and normal thing to do because it feels good. But it is also the easiest because it requires no depth of knowledge. It's the nice thing to do and therefore starts with support and ends with the phrases, talking points, cartoons, and demagoguery that inform all their opinions.

I was born a Democrat, voted straight Dem, and campaigned for Democrats. But 21st century Democrats are way way gone.

IMO

jw234911

you are right and today they said they need to takes us more, that our hard working money is there money and this keeps up we will be taxed 100% like that place in france part of Agenda 21 its coming if we the people dont take a stand and stop this maddness. Never was a dem but iam affraid both partys are no good for us anymore. Its all just a show and Obama is a puppet filling the elites agenda

gimmesometruth27

otter wrote:

I think I figured out what is up with liberals while discussing America, slavery, and genocide.

It seems that liberals project ideas, attitudes, thoughts, feelings, and even actions onto others. I think this is the reason why liberal/left wing people are absolutely unable to debate people who are not liberal. They seem to think of people only as an equal part of the group they are assigning to that person. They are unable to imagine that all people are individuals so they can't accept an argument when a person deviates from the box they believe they are in.

And on the other hand liberals project greatness, kindness, and intelligence on those who are also liberals.

I think it is a natural and normal thing to do because it feels good. But it is also the easiest because it requires no depth of knowledge. It's the nice thing to do and therefore starts with support and ends with the phrases, talking points, cartoons, and demagoguery that inform all their opinions.

I was born a Democrat, voted straight Dem, and campaigned for Democrats. But 21st century Democrats are way way gone.

IMO

so should we all embrace jesus as out lord and savior so that we can cut the very programs he would support that are there to help keep people from starving to death?

i am sorry, but the conservative movement is dead wrong on almost every issue. name one issue in the last 25 years that the republicans have been right on.... just one thing that they have gotten right. can anybody do it???

our number one priority should be jobs. boehner said it was jobs. he has allowed zero jobs bills to come to the floor for a vote, all while allowing obamacare to be voted on and repealed 40 different times :fp:

i have not been around here since wrigley because i do not want to get into this partisan pissing match anymore. my life is too short to be wasting time here anymore.

Prince Of Dorkness

otter wrote:

It seems that liberals project ideas, attitudes, thoughts, feelings, and even actions onto others.

Fascinating. I could read your posts all day.

In related news, my dog took a shit this morning that looked like George Washington.

It was kinda freaky. I should have taken a picture but who wants to haul out their cell phone in the park and take a picture of a dog turd, even if it looks like one of our great founding fathers?

Go Beavers

I don't know, Otter. Maybe it depends on your sample size or what you're looking for. Just look at AMT, for example. The non-liberals seem to have a harder time using actual facts to back up their positions and tend to lump people in groups, then apply generalizations to those groups. A lot of conservatives seems to grasp on this notion that they are in a constant struggle, their values are under attack, and our country is doomed if the changes they want aren't put into place. I also see conservatives confuse theory with fact a lot. Feel free to pick a topic, start a thread about it, and watch what happens.

STAYSEA

I try to love them.
Today, I was complimented on my NASA patch.

He asked where he could get one....

Politely, I said, ask Obama.

Ummm. He said.... 8 years does alot of stuff...

I agreed... Humble Liberals.. I love them.

I told him he can get a patch in Russia or when NASA cools off about having no budget.
My secret joke.

STAYSEA

Go Beavers wrote:

I don't know, Otter. Maybe it depends on your sample size or what you're looking for. Just look at AMT, for example. The non-liberals seem to have a harder time using actual facts to back up their positions and tend to lump people in groups, then apply generalizations to those groups. A lot of conservatives seems to grasp on this notion that they are in a constant struggle, their values are under attack, and our country is doomed if the changes they want aren't put into place. I also see conservatives confuse theory with fact a lot. Feel free to pick a topic, start a thread about it, and watch what happens.

I don't have notions. what is an idea? I'm confused.

Prince Of Dorkness

STAYSEA wrote:

I try to love them.
Today, I was complimented on my NASA patch.

He asked where he could get one....

Politely, I said, ask Obama.

Ummm. He said.... 8 years does alot of stuff...

I agreed... Humble Liberals.. I love them.

I told him he can get a patch in Russia or when NASA cools off about having no budget.
My secret joke.

Um... actually, a snarky answer like "Ask Obama" isn't polite at all. It's rather obnoxious and rude, really.

Pretty much what I've come to expect from conservatives who don't have much left in life aside from crying about the president and complaining about anything done... in this case it seems whining about the budget given to NASA which... isn't really related to anything he's done and we all know that if their budget was higher, conservatards would all be blithering about "government waste" while they "went looking at rocks in space when we have plenty here."

unsung

Funny...people still think there's a difference.

Gern Blansten

unsung wrote:

Funny...people still think there's a difference.

That's a popular thing to say but yes there is a huge difference. Just look at all the bills the GOP sponsors to take rights away from women.

That's one difference

backseatLover12

Your first mistake is pointing the finger at someone else and not yourself. It's what's wrong with this country.

The more we seek to divide, the more divided we become.

backseatLover12

Gern Blansten wrote:

unsung wrote:

Funny...people still think there's a difference.

That's a popular thing to say but yes there is a huge difference. Just look at all the bills the GOP sponsors to take rights away from women.

That's one difference

Yet, there are many who insist the party has nothing against women. :roll:

BinFrog

LifeInGeneral wrote:

I think I figured out what is up with people while discussing pretty much any topic.

It seems that people project ideas, attitudes, thoughts, feelings, and even actions onto others. I think this is the reason why close-minded people are absolutely unable to debate people who are not like-minded. They seem to think of people only as an equal part of the group they are assigning to that person. They are unable to imagine that all people are individuals so they can't accept an argument when a person deviates from the box they believe they are in.

And on the other hand people project greatness, kindness, and intelligence on those who they feel are of a similar mindset.

I think it is a natural and normal thing to do because it feels good. But it is also the easiest because it requires no depth of knowledge. It's the nice thing to do and therefore starts with support and ends with the phrases, talking points, cartoons, and demagoguery that inform all their opinions. Most people are uninformed. It's common to start vapid threads trying to point out inconsistencies and shallowness in entire groups of people while yet ignoring the fact that indeed you're doing the same exact thing you are trying so mightily to denounce, condescendingly I might add.

I was born a normal person. But 21st century people are way way gone.

IMO

Go Beavers

STAYSEA wrote:

Go Beavers wrote:

I don't know, Otter. Maybe it depends on your sample size or what you're looking for. Just look at AMT, for example. The non-liberals seem to have a harder time using actual facts to back up their positions and tend to lump people in groups, then apply generalizations to those groups. A lot of conservatives seems to grasp on this notion that they are in a constant struggle, their values are under attack, and our country is doomed if the changes they want aren't put into place. I also see conservatives confuse theory with fact a lot. Feel free to pick a topic, start a thread about it, and watch what happens.

I don't have notions. what is an idea? I'm confused.

That made me laugh, because about 80% of what you write I can't figure out.

Guitar92player

I think both Liberals and Conservatives try and force their ideas on others the same. But since Obama is President, we have been seeing the downfall and stupidity of conservatives the most as they try and backlash against the President and try and gain supporters.

Abuskedti

otter wrote:

I think I figured out what is up with liberals while discussing America, slavery, and genocide.

It seems that liberals project ideas, attitudes, thoughts, feelings, and even actions onto others. I think this is the reason why liberal/left wing people are absolutely unable to debate people who are not liberal. They seem to think of people only as an equal part of the group they are assigning to that person. They are unable to imagine that all people are individuals so they can't accept an argument when a person deviates from the box they believe they are in.

And on the other hand liberals project greatness, kindness, and intelligence on those who are also liberals.

I think it is a natural and normal thing to do because it feels good. But it is also the easiest because it requires no depth of knowledge. It's the nice thing to do and therefore starts with support and ends with the phrases, talking points, cartoons, and demagoguery that inform all their opinions.

I was born a Democrat, voted straight Dem, and campaigned for Democrats. But 21st century Democrats are way way gone.

IMO

Liberals still think the country belongs to the people.. equally .. all of the people and that life and health are valuable

Gern Blansten

I've found that most conservatives that I argue with really don't know as much about the issues as they think they do. They listen to a lot of "news" (i.e. Rush Limbaugh, Hannity, Faux News, etc) but they don't know the actual facts, only the right wing talking points.

I say this as a registered republican. The republican party has completely jumped off the deep end. People tend to stick with their "team" and refuse to accept that their team might be wrong. I jumped ship when McCain picked Palin as his running mate. To me that was a critical point in the republican party. Since then it has been a clown show.

brianlux

Is it not best (as Edward Abbey once said) to judge people by the quality of their mind? Liberals and conservatives come in all flavors. To flat out judge one group as if all are the same... huh?

badbrains

Go Beavers wrote:

STAYSEA wrote:

Go Beavers wrote:

I don't know, Otter. Maybe it depends on your sample size or what you're looking for. Just look at AMT, for example. The non-liberals seem to have a harder time using actual facts to back up their positions and tend to lump people in groups, then apply generalizations to those groups. A lot of conservatives seems to grasp on this notion that they are in a constant struggle, their values are under attack, and our country is doomed if the changes they want aren't put into place. I also see conservatives confuse theory with fact a lot. Feel free to pick a topic, start a thread about it, and watch what happens.

I don't have notions. what is an idea? I'm confused.

That made me laugh, because about 80% of what you write I can't figure out.

80%, damn beaver, you're a lot smarter then I am cuz I can NEVER understand her ramblings. Not making fun of but def hard to understand her....... :fp:

brianlux

Liberals, conservatives, Republicans, Democrats, Tea Partiers, anarchists- we sure get into it here sometimes. As much as I generally avoid using labels to describe myself I'm sure I fit into a few of these categories and I try to keep in mind is that there are people here with whom I've had strong disagreements but never-the-less have developed friendships with and for whom I have a lot of respect. It doesn't mean you have to compromise your beliefs and sparring fairly is not always a bad thing.

Sometimes the gaps are just too big to jump or the chemistry is just all wrong but often, when the intent is to be open minded or accept some differences and if you at least have similar moral or ethical stances with someone the gap can be bridged and you can be friends- good friends even.

STAYSEA

Go Beavers wrote:

STAYSEA wrote:

Go Beavers wrote:

I don't know, Otter. Maybe it depends on your sample size or what you're looking for. Just look at AMT, for example. The non-liberals seem to have a harder time using actual facts to back up their positions and tend to lump people in groups, then apply generalizations to those groups. A lot of conservatives seems to grasp on this notion that they are in a constant struggle, their values are under attack, and our country is doomed if the changes they want aren't put into place. I also see conservatives confuse theory with fact a lot. Feel free to pick a topic, start a thread about it, and watch what happens.

I don't have notions. what is an idea? I'm confused.

That made me laugh, because about 80% of what you write I can't figure out.

If this is true for most people, then I should take a job writing for the Legislation Department.