Python Escapes Kills 2 Boys

tybird

PJ_Soul wrote:

tybird wrote:

The snake may be a red herring. Something just doesn't seem right.

It's probably pretty obvious when a child is strangled by a python. I doubt it looks the same to medical examiners or coroners as, say, being strangled or sat on by a person or something.... It's pretty strange the the thing managed to get up into the home like that, but assuming that's true (and that the family didn't decide it would be fun to bring up the python for the sleepover), the rest seems likely enough to me. Stranger things have happened..... Of course, stranger lies have been told to try and cover up murder too, so.... But really, the medical examination/autopsy should be pretty conclusive.

One of the things that I have read....admittedly from a pro-snake point of view.....notes atypical behavior on the part of the snake. The results of the autopsy should be interesting.

PJ_Soul

tybird wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

tybird wrote:

The snake may be a red herring. Something just doesn't seem right.

It's probably pretty obvious when a child is strangled by a python. I doubt it looks the same to medical examiners or coroners as, say, being strangled or sat on by a person or something.... It's pretty strange the the thing managed to get up into the home like that, but assuming that's true (and that the family didn't decide it would be fun to bring up the python for the sleepover), the rest seems likely enough to me. Stranger things have happened..... Of course, stranger lies have been told to try and cover up murder too, so.... But really, the medical examination/autopsy should be pretty conclusive.

One of the things that I have read....admittedly from a pro-snake point of view.....notes atypical behavior on the part of the snake. The results of the autopsy should be interesting.

Yes they should.... But yeah, I can see how pro-exotic reptile people would try to defend the snake.... sadly. :fp: They're just like the pitbull people after a pitbull attack.

hedonist

PJ_Soul wrote:

Yes they should.... But yeah, I can see how pro-exotic reptile people would try to defend the snake.... sadly. :fp: They're just like the pitbull people after a pitbull attack.

I LOVE reptiles; they're absolutely beautiful and so resilient - but like any other creature kept/housed, etc., the onus is on the owner to ensure it doesn't harm anyone.

PJ_Soul

hedonist wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

Yes they should.... But yeah, I can see how pro-exotic reptile people would try to defend the snake.... sadly. :fp: They're just like the pitbull people after a pitbull attack.

I LOVE reptiles; they're absolutely beautiful and so resilient - but like any other creature kept/housed, etc., the onus is on the owner to ensure it doesn't harm anyone.

I am fine with reptiles.... a 17 foot python, on the other hand, not so much. That is not at all an appropriate animal to have in a small enclosure in a store or in any residence or near children, even if the owner did ensure that it doesn't escape. It's more akin to keeping a lion or something.... The owner can be as careful as possible. The Lion still shouldn't be there, because it's cruel to the animal, and dangerous because shit happens.

hedonist

PJ_Soul wrote:

hedonist wrote:

I LOVE reptiles; they're absolutely beautiful and so resilient - but like any other creature kept/housed, etc., the onus is on the owner to ensure it doesn't harm anyone.

I am fine with reptiles.... a 17 foot python, on the other hand, not so much. That is not at all an appropriate animal to have in a small enclosure in a store or in any residence or near children, even if the owner did ensure that it doesn't escape. It's more akin to keeping a lion or something.... The owner can be as careful as possible. The Lion still shouldn't be there, because it's cruel to the animal, and dangerous because shit happens.

Good point.

chadwick

how does a (cold) ventilation duct attract a snake? this is the part about the story that drives me nuts

thesewordselope

Apparently the kids were at a petting zoo that night and they think the snake may have followed the scent of the animals...

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2013 ... 26771.html

PJ_Soul

chadwick wrote:

how does a (cold) ventilation duct attract a snake? this is the part about the story that drives me nuts

How the snake got up there is definitely surprising ... or a lie. I definitely wonder if the guy wasn't keeping the thing in the apartment. But who knows. Maybe the snake heard the kids, smelled/tasted them, etc? Don't know about snakes enough to assume much.

PJ_Soul

thesewordselope wrote:

Apparently the kids were at a petting zoo that night and they think the snake may have followed the scent of the animals...

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2013 ... 26771.html

Sounds feasible.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

An interesting theory about a potential 'cover up' (the suggestion where the snake may have been kept in the apartment all along instead of its cage). I have a hard time picturing the snake rearing itself upwards through an open vent and dropping down from the ceiling after making its way through it. I'm not necessarily saying the theory presented is one I'm buying... I'm just saying this case is a stinky one that might not be exactly as it is being presented.

All speculation aside... why have a 15 foot python for a pet? I don't get it.

hedonist

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

An interesting theory about a potential 'cover up' (the suggestion where the snake may have been kept in the apartment all along instead of its cage). I have a hard time picturing the snake rearing itself upwards through an open vent and dropping down from the ceiling after making its way through it. I'm not necessarily saying the theory presented is one I'm buying... I'm just saying this case is a stinky one that might not be exactly as it is being presented.

All speculation aside... why have a 15 foot python for a pet? I don't get it.

Just read that it WAS kept in the home.

This is so fucked up. The snake was just doing what it does by nature - and was killed for it.

Really hope this piece of shit owner (who had to lie about what initially happened because he knew he really fucked up) is punished, and punished well.

PJ_Soul

hedonist wrote:

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

An interesting theory about a potential 'cover up' (the suggestion where the snake may have been kept in the apartment all along instead of its cage). I have a hard time picturing the snake rearing itself upwards through an open vent and dropping down from the ceiling after making its way through it. I'm not necessarily saying the theory presented is one I'm buying... I'm just saying this case is a stinky one that might not be exactly as it is being presented.

All speculation aside... why have a 15 foot python for a pet? I don't get it.

Just read that it WAS kept in the home.

This is so fucked up. The snake was just doing what it does by nature - and was killed for it.

Really hope this piece of shit owner (who had to lie about what initially happened because he knew he really fucked up) is punished, and punished well.

Yeah, what a dick. But also, the mother of those kids I think must have known about this when she sent her kids over there to sleep. She is apparently really good friends with the guy (which is why their kids were friends with each other).

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

All speculation aside... why have a 15 foot python for a pet? I don't get it.

Seriously. I don't get it.

Can someone tell me why a person would want a 15 foot python in their home as a pet?

The more I think on this one... the more frustrated I become with human beings.

know1

This story is starting to unravel like I thought it would.

chadwick

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

All speculation aside... why have a 15 foot python for a pet? I don't get it.

Seriously. I don't get it.

Can someone tell me why a person would want a 15 foot python in their home as a pet?

The more I think on this one... the more frustrated I become with human beings.

well i would but this snake need special treatment with everything one would have to offer. a large habit enclosure mimicking the python's natural habitat. something like a basketball court size barn or bigger. pools of running water. live foliage, humidity & automatic raining systems & a source for live critters the reptile needs to strangle & dine on. this is a high dollar project & could be rewarding. however, snakes like all animals deserve their freedom in the natural world.

my pythons & boas friends never were 15 ft, half of that & just beautiful. i knew of a 12 foot burmese python who was one cranky guy. it seems to me he was housed in a little bity wood box. i have no idea if he had a large enclosure or was allowed to roam freely throughout the home. these snakes are big & they do deserve to move about as much as possible. i'd take my pals outside & they'd get some real outside air, summer grass & the niceness of a yard. almost impossible to find a green iguana in 2-3 foot tall weeds as the lizard darted out of the house & running towards the field. little guy cannot survive iowa cold seasons

if i remember correctly Slash has his snake pals in a very nice large building.

chadwick

http://youtu.be/xfYAj1k9uZM
check it

tybird

know1 wrote:

This story is starting to unravel like I thought it would.

What's the latest?

Thirty Bills Unpaid

chadwick wrote:

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

Seriously. I don't get it.

Can someone tell me why a person would want a 15 foot python in their home as a pet?

The more I think on this one... the more frustrated I become with human beings.

well i would but this snake need special treatment with everything one would have to offer. a large habit enclosure mimicking the python's natural habitat. something like a basketball court size barn or bigger. pools of running water. live foliage, humidity & automatic raining systems & a source for live critters the reptile needs to strangle & dine on. this is a high dollar project & could be rewarding. however, snakes like all animals deserve their freedom in the natural world.

my pythons & boas friends never were 15 ft, half of that & just beautiful. i knew of a 12 foot burmese python who was one cranky guy. it seems to me he was housed in a little bity wood box. i have no idea if he had a large enclosure or was allowed to roam freely throughout the home. these snakes are big & they do deserve to move about as much as possible. i'd take my pals outside & they'd get some real outside air, summer grass & the niceness of a yard. almost impossible to find a green iguana in 2-3 foot tall weeds as the lizard darted out of the house & running towards the field. little guy cannot survive iowa cold seasons

if i remember correctly Slash has his snake pals in a very nice large building.

Don't get me wrong- I'm not saying owning snakes is goofy. I'm saying a 15 foot 100 pound python and an apartment is not a good situation. As you have expressed, a snake needs some semblance of its natural habitat. I don't see a coffee table and carpet as doing much for providing that.

chadwick

i agree, thirty unpaid bills

also, when my youngest brother & his wife had their first child all our reptile were given away. it would be irresponsible & unpardonable if for some reason she had been capable of getting into a screwed together wooden enclosure w/ the plexiglass screwed down. there was a screw every one - two inches (can't remember) this was paddle locked shut. full of sand & rocks. a newborn grows into an infant then a toddler then a kid or however it goes. still... one dozen: two adult - female & male & ten juvenile western diamond rattle snakes are not to be in one of the family homes. along with pythons, boas, green iguanas, & a asian water monitor

iguanas would probably be just fine as they are quiet calm but will whip you w/ their tail & they will bite

Thirty Bills Unpaid

chadwick wrote:

http://youtu.be/xfYAj1k9uZM
check it

Kids stood no chance. For that matter... neither did the adults. These snakes eat very large mammals (capable of swallowing an entire antelope).

An informative piece:
http://www.cbc.ca/player/News/TV+Shows/ ... 399669598/

A piece that leaves plenty to the imagination:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0rk5zh7RaE