An interesting theory about a potential 'cover up' (the suggestion where the snake may have been kept in the apartment all along instead of its cage). I have a hard time picturing the snake rearing itself upwards through an open vent and dropping down from the ceiling after making its way through it. I'm not necessarily saying the theory presented is one I'm buying... I'm just saying this case is a stinky one that might not be exactly as it is being presented.
All speculation aside... why have a 15 foot python for a pet? I don't get it.
Just read that it WAS kept in the home.
This is so fucked up. The snake was just doing what it does by nature - and was killed for it.
Really hope this piece of shit owner (who had to lie about what initially happened because he knew he really fucked up) is punished, and punished well.
An interesting theory about a potential 'cover up' (the suggestion where the snake may have been kept in the apartment all along instead of its cage). I have a hard time picturing the snake rearing itself upwards through an open vent and dropping down from the ceiling after making its way through it. I'm not necessarily saying the theory presented is one I'm buying... I'm just saying this case is a stinky one that might not be exactly as it is being presented.
All speculation aside... why have a 15 foot python for a pet? I don't get it.
Just read that it WAS kept in the home.
This is so fucked up. The snake was just doing what it does by nature - and was killed for it.
Really hope this piece of shit owner (who had to lie about what initially happened because he knew he really fucked up) is punished, and punished well.
Yeah, what a dick. But also, the mother of those kids I think must have known about this when she sent her kids over there to sleep. She is apparently really good friends with the guy (which is why their kids were friends with each other).
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
All speculation aside... why have a 15 foot python for a pet? I don't get it.
Seriously. I don't get it.
Can someone tell me why a person would want a 15 foot python in their home as a pet?
The more I think on this one... the more frustrated I become with human beings.
well i would but this snake need special treatment with everything one would have to offer. a large habit enclosure mimicking the python's natural habitat. something like a basketball court size barn or bigger. pools of running water. live foliage, humidity & automatic raining systems & a source for live critters the reptile needs to strangle & dine on. this is a high dollar project & could be rewarding. however, snakes like all animals deserve their freedom in the natural world.
my pythons & boas friends never were 15 ft, half of that & just beautiful. i knew of a 12 foot burmese python who was one cranky guy. it seems to me he was housed in a little bity wood box. i have no idea if he had a large enclosure or was allowed to roam freely throughout the home. these snakes are big & they do deserve to move about as much as possible. i'd take my pals outside & they'd get some real outside air, summer grass & the niceness of a yard. almost impossible to find a green iguana in 2-3 foot tall weeds as the lizard darted out of the house & running towards the field. little guy cannot survive iowa cold seasons
if i remember correctly Slash has his snake pals in a very nice large building.
This story is starting to unravel like I thought it would.
What's the latest?
All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
Can someone tell me why a person would want a 15 foot python in their home as a pet?
The more I think on this one... the more frustrated I become with human beings.
well i would but this snake need special treatment with everything one would have to offer. a large habit enclosure mimicking the python's natural habitat. something like a basketball court size barn or bigger. pools of running water. live foliage, humidity & automatic raining systems & a source for live critters the reptile needs to strangle & dine on. this is a high dollar project & could be rewarding. however, snakes like all animals deserve their freedom in the natural world.
my pythons & boas friends never were 15 ft, half of that & just beautiful. i knew of a 12 foot burmese python who was one cranky guy. it seems to me he was housed in a little bity wood box. i have no idea if he had a large enclosure or was allowed to roam freely throughout the home. these snakes are big & they do deserve to move about as much as possible. i'd take my pals outside & they'd get some real outside air, summer grass & the niceness of a yard. almost impossible to find a green iguana in 2-3 foot tall weeds as the lizard darted out of the house & running towards the field. little guy cannot survive iowa cold seasons
if i remember correctly Slash has his snake pals in a very nice large building.
Don't get me wrong- I'm not saying owning snakes is goofy. I'm saying a 15 foot 100 pound python and an apartment is not a good situation. As you have expressed, a snake needs some semblance of its natural habitat. I don't see a coffee table and carpet as doing much for providing that.
also, when my youngest brother & his wife had their first child all our reptile were given away. it would be irresponsible & unpardonable if for some reason she had been capable of getting into a screwed together wooden enclosure w/ the plexiglass screwed down. there was a screw every one - two inches (can't remember) this was paddle locked shut. full of sand & rocks. a newborn grows into an infant then a toddler then a kid or however it goes. still... one dozen: two adult - female & male & ten juvenile western diamond rattle snakes are not to be in one of the family homes. along with pythons, boas, green iguanas, & a asian water monitor
iguanas would probably be just fine as they are quiet calm but will whip you w/ their tail & they will bite
a piece that leaves me loving snakes
wonderful creatures
Snakes are very underappreciated animals.
I am not blaming the snake at all for doing what its instincts led it to do. The blame is shared here: the owner was clearly irresponsible... but so too are the agencies that protect us from stupid human beings doing stupid things. The price for freedom can be heavy at times because freedom is something that even the morons get to take advantage of. Consequently, morons do moronic things and 'typical' people (the non moronic variety) sometimes pay the price for their moronicness.
The tragedy has a national animal protection watchdog questioning how such a popular and visible reptile establishment managed to remain open with illegal animals and without the proper permits.
The unlicensed store had 27 illegal animals and was not hidden in the forest. It was in plain sight and open for business. Someone needs to lose their job for, put bluntly, not doing it. In fact, a case could be made for negligence on the part of by-law services.
Don't get me wrong here, the owner of the store should be held accountable, but remember... he's a moron that got in waaaay over his head housing this 15 foot 100 pound beast. He was likely incapable of understanding his storage methods were insufficient. In short, he operated within his limited capacity and he needed intervention on the part of the services we employ in such circumstances.
I think part of the blame rests on the parents. they obviously knew about the guy's "business", and still let their kids sleep there. I never would have.
incredibly tragic.
Gimli 1993
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
I think part of the blame rests on the parents. they obviously knew about the guy's "business", and still let their kids sleep there. I never would have.
incredibly tragic.
I wouldn't necessarily argue against this. It's dicey taking a leap of faith entrusting your children at other people's places. In this case, I doubt the parents anticipated the fact that this guy never stored his animals properly and that the risk of strangulation by an African Rock Python was a possibility. But the nature of the place would have been enough for me to put the brakes on the suggestion of my children sleeping there.
I think part of the blame rests on the parents. they obviously knew about the guy's "business", and still let their kids sleep there. I never would have.
incredibly tragic.
I wouldn't necessarily argue against this. It's dicey taking a leap of faith entrusting your children at other people's places. In this case, I doubt the parents anticipated the fact that this guy never stored his animals properly and that the risk of strangulation by an African Rock Python was a possibility. But the nature of the place would have been enough for me to put the brakes on the suggestion of my children sleeping there.
I had a friend who had a giant snake. No idea the breed, or exactly how big it was, but accidents can happen. Of course, ANY accident can happen. But why play with fire if you don't have to? That's like letting your kids sleep over at their friend's house who lived above a gas station and the father was a chain smoker. Would something happen? Remote chance. But still. No thanks. Of course something like this happening never would occur to some, and I certainly don't bubble wrap my kids, but exotic pets that are undomesticated? Bad shit can happen.
Gimli 1993
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
I think part of the blame rests on the parents. they obviously knew about the guy's "business", and still let their kids sleep there. I never would have.
incredibly tragic.
I wouldn't necessarily argue against this. It's dicey taking a leap of faith entrusting your children at other people's places. In this case, I doubt the parents anticipated the fact that this guy never stored his animals properly and that the risk of strangulation by an African Rock Python was a possibility. But the nature of the place would have been enough for me to put the brakes on the suggestion of my children sleeping there.
I think the parents knew exactly what was going on there. The mom was "very close friends" with the dad. I think that means she knew exactly how he kept his animals, and was likely at the home a lot herself. I mean, I guess the man himself didn't figure that a 100 point python wouldn't kill some kids in his living room... just like the woman who got mauled to death by a lion in Alberta didn't figure she'd get mauled to death by a pet lion... But that doesn't mean they are any less responsible for it happening. Stupidity isn't a good excuse.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I think part of the blame rests on the parents. they obviously knew about the guy's "business", and still let their kids sleep there. I never would have.
incredibly tragic.
I wouldn't necessarily argue against this. It's dicey taking a leap of faith entrusting your children at other people's places. In this case, I doubt the parents anticipated the fact that this guy never stored his animals properly and that the risk of strangulation by an African Rock Python was a possibility. But the nature of the place would have been enough for me to put the brakes on the suggestion of my children sleeping there.
I think the parents knew exactly what was going on there. The mom was "very close friends" with the dad. I think that means she knew exactly how he kept his animals, and was likely at the home a lot herself. I mean, I guess the man himself didn't figure that a 100 point python wouldn't kill some kids in his living room... just like the woman who got mauled to death by a lion in Alberta didn't figure she'd get mauled to death by a pet lion... But that doesn't mean they are any less responsible for it happening. Stupidity isn't a good excuse.
Don't get me wrong... I'm not excusing anyone. Those kids were let down in a big way by the adults in their life. There is plenty of irresponsibility in this case.
Comments
This is so fucked up. The snake was just doing what it does by nature - and was killed for it.
Really hope this piece of shit owner (who had to lie about what initially happened because he knew he really fucked up) is punished, and punished well.
Seriously. I don't get it.
Can someone tell me why a person would want a 15 foot python in their home as a pet?
The more I think on this one... the more frustrated I become with human beings.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
well i would but this snake need special treatment with everything one would have to offer. a large habit enclosure mimicking the python's natural habitat. something like a basketball court size barn or bigger. pools of running water. live foliage, humidity & automatic raining systems & a source for live critters the reptile needs to strangle & dine on. this is a high dollar project & could be rewarding. however, snakes like all animals deserve their freedom in the natural world.
my pythons & boas friends never were 15 ft, half of that & just beautiful. i knew of a 12 foot burmese python who was one cranky guy. it seems to me he was housed in a little bity wood box. i have no idea if he had a large enclosure or was allowed to roam freely throughout the home. these snakes are big & they do deserve to move about as much as possible. i'd take my pals outside & they'd get some real outside air, summer grass & the niceness of a yard. almost impossible to find a green iguana in 2-3 foot tall weeds as the lizard darted out of the house & running towards the field. little guy cannot survive iowa cold seasons
if i remember correctly Slash has his snake pals in a very nice large building.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
check it
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Don't get me wrong- I'm not saying owning snakes is goofy. I'm saying a 15 foot 100 pound python and an apartment is not a good situation. As you have expressed, a snake needs some semblance of its natural habitat. I don't see a coffee table and carpet as doing much for providing that.
also, when my youngest brother & his wife had their first child all our reptile were given away. it would be irresponsible & unpardonable if for some reason she had been capable of getting into a screwed together wooden enclosure w/ the plexiglass screwed down. there was a screw every one - two inches (can't remember) this was paddle locked shut. full of sand & rocks. a newborn grows into an infant then a toddler then a kid or however it goes. still... one dozen: two adult - female & male & ten juvenile western diamond rattle snakes are not to be in one of the family homes. along with pythons, boas, green iguanas, & a asian water monitor
iguanas would probably be just fine as they are quiet calm but will whip you w/ their tail & they will bite
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Kids stood no chance. For that matter... neither did the adults. These snakes eat very large mammals (capable of swallowing an entire antelope).
An informative piece:
http://www.cbc.ca/player/News/TV+Shows/ ... 399669598/
A piece that leaves plenty to the imagination:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0rk5zh7RaE
wonderful creatures
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Snakes are very underappreciated animals.
I am not blaming the snake at all for doing what its instincts led it to do. The blame is shared here: the owner was clearly irresponsible... but so too are the agencies that protect us from stupid human beings doing stupid things. The price for freedom can be heavy at times because freedom is something that even the morons get to take advantage of. Consequently, morons do moronic things and 'typical' people (the non moronic variety) sometimes pay the price for their moronicness.
The tragedy has a national animal protection watchdog questioning how such a popular and visible reptile establishment managed to remain open with illegal animals and without the proper permits.
The unlicensed store had 27 illegal animals and was not hidden in the forest. It was in plain sight and open for business. Someone needs to lose their job for, put bluntly, not doing it. In fact, a case could be made for negligence on the part of by-law services.
http://news.ca.msn.com/local/newbrunswi ... -animals-1
Don't get me wrong here, the owner of the store should be held accountable, but remember... he's a moron that got in waaaay over his head housing this 15 foot 100 pound beast. He was likely incapable of understanding his storage methods were insufficient. In short, he operated within his limited capacity and he needed intervention on the part of the services we employ in such circumstances.
incredibly tragic.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
I wouldn't necessarily argue against this. It's dicey taking a leap of faith entrusting your children at other people's places. In this case, I doubt the parents anticipated the fact that this guy never stored his animals properly and that the risk of strangulation by an African Rock Python was a possibility. But the nature of the place would have been enough for me to put the brakes on the suggestion of my children sleeping there.
I had a friend who had a giant snake. No idea the breed, or exactly how big it was, but accidents can happen. Of course, ANY accident can happen. But why play with fire if you don't have to? That's like letting your kids sleep over at their friend's house who lived above a gas station and the father was a chain smoker. Would something happen? Remote chance. But still. No thanks. Of course something like this happening never would occur to some, and I certainly don't bubble wrap my kids, but exotic pets that are undomesticated? Bad shit can happen.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
Don't get me wrong... I'm not excusing anyone. Those kids were let down in a big way by the adults in their life. There is plenty of irresponsibility in this case.