Oh, Fox News, you've done it again...

Byrnzie

Guitar92player wrote:

Like I said earlier, there are probably no documents on him or the apostles because to the Romans and others they were not seen as important or worthy people to write about. Many of the stories of the gospels and the people involved were orally passed down from generation to generation and were eventually written about when the time was right. You and I both know Christians were tortured and killed the few hundred years after Jesus' death, so why would they hold on to any documents? If there were, they were destroyed. How Paul's survived I do not know.

You cannot always get physical proof.

So you're claiming that at the time of his alleged life, he was just a minor figure, and that that explains why nothing was written about him at that time? Sorry, but I'm not buying that. You can't claim he was the most important person that ever lived, and then claim that he went largely unnoticed during his life, having been only mentioned 50 years after his supposed death, despite comprehensive histories of the period having been written at the time of his supposed life.

How do you explain that in the 20 volume history of the Jews written by Flavius Josephus in the first Century AD there is no mention of Jesus?

Guitar92player

Byrnzie wrote:

Guitar92player wrote:

Like I said earlier, there are probably no documents on him or the apostles because to the Romans and others they were not seen as important or worthy people to write about. Many of the stories of the gospels and the people involved were orally passed down from generation to generation and were eventually written about when the time was right. You and I both know Christians were tortured and killed the few hundred years after Jesus' death, so why would they hold on to any documents? If there were, they were destroyed. How Paul's survived I do not know.

You cannot always get physical proof.

So you're claiming that at the time of his alleged life, he was just a minor figure, and that that explains why nothing was written about him at that time? Sorry, but I'm not buying that. You can't claim he was the most important person that ever lived, and then claim that he went largely unnoticed during his life, having been only mentioned 50 years after his supposed death, despite comprehensive histories of the period having been written at the time of his supposed life.

How do you explain that in the 20 volume history of the Jews written by Flavius Josephus in the first Century AD there is no mention of Jesus?

To people who actually followed him he was something; outsiders didn't give a shit because they either didn't believe it or just didn't care for some Jew who claimed he was the son of God. Anyone who showed they were his followers were tortured or killed so why keep anything that showed you were loyal?

satansbed

Byrnzie wrote:

Guitar92player wrote:

Like I said earlier, there are probably no documents on him or the apostles because to the Romans and others they were not seen as important or worthy people to write about. Many of the stories of the gospels and the people involved were orally passed down from generation to generation and were eventually written about when the time was right. You and I both know Christians were tortured and killed the few hundred years after Jesus' death, so why would they hold on to any documents? If there were, they were destroyed. How Paul's survived I do not know.

You cannot always get physical proof.

So you're claiming that at the time of his alleged life, he was just a minor figure, and that that explains why nothing was written about him at that time? Sorry, but I'm not buying that. You can't claim he was the most important person that ever lived, and then claim that he went largely unnoticed during his life, having been only mentioned 50 years after his supposed death, despite comprehensive histories of the period having been written at the time of his supposed life.

How do you explain that in the 20 volume history of the Jews written by Flavius Josephus in the first Century AD there is no mention of Jesus?

except your last point is debatable at the very least, some scholars believe there was josephus's history does include something about jesus, others don't believe that it was the jesus

Godfather.

chadwick wrote:

yes, godfather, proof is in the pudding

foxnews channel is out of control & so insane that i'd rather smash my face in a bench vice than watch a full hour of sean hannity & alan combs. are they known as the beltway boys or is that some other clowns?

don't be hurt, godfather, you're stronger than that. yes i know foxnews is your source for the latest in worldwide news. i gotta admit, many of those anchor broads got some nice ass legs. truthfully, godfather, those assholes at foxnews are a uppity bunch not worth a bucket of donkey urine or an entire dog turd pile

these fuckers at foxnews are better than you or i, they are holier than thou & they crave heavy duty dollars & beg for yet another jerk off in office

i've never in all my life wanted to slap silly so many news anchors. the list of dipshit pansy ass spoiled little moma's boys is through the giant ceiling

brian kilmeade... are you fucking serious? o'reily? pierce morgan, foreal? glenn beck? glenn beck? glenn beck? this fucking glenn beck guy sends a chill up my spine & up my ass 6 ways from sunday. why can't he have a black eye or 7 more often? what a fucking clown this fucking guy

http://youtu.be/_iFzHsOacVg
courtney friel's barbie closet. a true journalist im sure

edit.
i'm sorry for earlier saying anyone who watches foxnews is stupid. that wasn't polite of me.

I wish I had your tallent with words,yes I agree fox is off the hook and look for and use or twist any bit of so called news they can get their hands on and I never take what they report word for word to heart infact I find it hard to believe any news sourse 100% because they all have an angle or some interest in one party or another, but that being said ..that's why I watch fox news,they have ancors that I wouldn't trust in for honest info but to me it's more fun to watch and after you read or listen to any news sourse you can count on one thing...there is a story there but the fax of the story are left up to the viewer to decide because anything after that is opinion and I like to trust my gut over some yahoo wearing makeup and a $100 suit :shock:
so trust mne my friend I (as I've always said) enjoy fox for the entertainment value and shock value...it's really the only comedy I enjoy watching....you never know ....Mayer Bob Filner may end up as an ancor on fox news


Godfather.

chadwick

Guitar92player wrote:

chadwick wrote:

yes, godfather, proof is in the pudding



brian kilmeade... are you fucking serious? o'reily? pierce morgan, foreal? glenn beck? glenn beck? glenn beck? this fucking glenn beck guy sends a chill up my spine & up my ass 6 ways from sunday. why can't he have a black eye or 7 more often? what a fucking clown this fucking guy

Pierce Morgan? You mean Piers Morgan? If so, he is CNN.

well i do pretty fucking good for not owning a television the last 6 years. you a fan of mrs. pierce?

Guitar92player

chadwick wrote:

Guitar92player wrote:

chadwick wrote:

yes, godfather, proof is in the pudding



brian kilmeade... are you fucking serious? o'reily? pierce morgan, foreal? glenn beck? glenn beck? glenn beck? this fucking glenn beck guy sends a chill up my spine & up my ass 6 ways from sunday. why can't he have a black eye or 7 more often? what a fucking clown this fucking guy

Pierce Morgan? You mean Piers Morgan? If so, he is CNN.

well i do pretty fucking good for not owning a television the last 6 years. you a fan of mrs. pierce?

I used to be but not so much anymore. I like his shows when they are not talking politics.

Gern Blansten

I'm a CPA....just met with a client that told me these things:

1. That the post office will cross out the word "Liberty" that appears on any postage stamps because Obama has directed them to do so

2. Obama hates America, hates the constitution

3. I should listen to Rush Limbaugh and Fox News because the other news groups don't tell you everything

4. The government is evil and Obama wants to grow it large enough so that we collapse and a new government will emerge.

Keep in mind that this lady is on Medicare and collects Social Security.

callen

Guitar92player wrote:

C'mon, this isn't a thread about attacking people's beliefs. Let's be respectful.

Up to this point in thread what was disrespectful?

Godfather.

Gern Blansten wrote:

I'm a CPA....just met with a client that told me these things:

1. That the post office will cross out the word "Liberty" that appears on any postage stamps because Obama has directed them to do so

2. Obama hates America, hates the constitution

3. I should listen to Rush Limbaugh and Fox News because the other news groups don't tell you everything

4. The government is evil and Obama wants to grow it large enough so that we collapse and a new government will emerge.

Keep in mind that this lady is on Medicare and collects Social Security.

you forgot paranoid

Godfather.

ajedigecko

...i watch fox news

And if given the opportunity - i would cover your back.

Byrnzie

satansbed wrote:

except your last point is debatable at the very least, some scholars believe there was josephus's history does include something about jesus, others don't believe that it was the jesus

There is a mention of him, but it's been proven to have been inserted at a later date by the big boys in the Bible Brigade.

Byrnzie

chadwick wrote:

well i do pretty fucking good for not owning a television the last 6 years. you a fan of mrs. pierce?

That's about the same amount of time that I've not turned on a t.v. The last time i turned on a t.v set was in 2010 to watch the football World Cup, only to discover they'd disconnected me for not paying my license fee. Before that, it was 2008 to watch the opening ceremony of the Beijing Olympics.

One of the biggest reverse culture shocks I had going back to England was seeing everyone watching t.v. It just seemed kind of weird, and a bit pathetic.

badbrains

Gern Blansten wrote:

I'm a CPA....just met with a client that told me these things:

1. That the post office will cross out the word "Liberty" that appears on any postage stamps because Obama has directed them to do so

2. Obama hates America, hates the constitution

3. I should listen to Rush Limbaugh and Fox News because the other news groups don't tell you everything

4. The government is evil and Obama wants to grow it large enough so that we collapse and a new government will emerge.

Keep in mind that this lady is on Medicare and collects Social Security.

I think your client posts in AMT

chadwick

Byrnzie wrote:

chadwick wrote:

well i do pretty fucking good for not owning a television the last 6 years. you a fan of mrs. pierce?

That's about the same amount of time that I've not turned on a t.v. The last time i turned on a t.v set was in 2010 to watch the football World Cup, only to discover they'd disconnected me for not paying my license fee. Before that, it was 2008 to watch the opening ceremony of the Beijing Olympics.

One of the biggest reverse culture shocks I had going back to England was seeing everyone watching t.v. It just seemed kind of weird, and a bit pathetic.

i can't stand 97% of all television programming. i would seriously rather fight three clowns & be beaten w/ a garden hose than watch most programs that are popular & have millions enthralled. on a computrer i write & interact & try my darndest to learn something i love or do not even know anything about. what really is odd, Byrnzie, is that neighbors & other folks who know i do not subscribe to television fully believe i am a fucking odd ball weirdo for not owning & watching useless television programming.

firstly. i write & do my damnedest at creating a world that suits my poetic head & breath. i am not going to go out & purchase a flat screen. i am not going to pay the cable bill on time so why put myself in this position of late fees & so on? i need that cable bill for gas money & a sack of groceries.

i can't stand main stream. i can't stand foxnews anchors except the smokin broads. they be selling their skins not their journalistic passions & abilities at delivering news in a talented fashion. im saying they are full of shit. i am to the point where society & i are at odds, been this way awhile now. to me, television is one of humanities greatest downfalls.

this is not the thread but while im on a roll, reality shows... please disappear.

i do apologize to everyone for coming across like i do. i am no better than anyone else. i am not trying to place myself in a better light. many already believe this is how i come across. it is not true at all. i just dislike television programming, video gaming systems & games & i throughly believe 82.9% of society is a fucking disaster

the only way to right humanity is to work on one's own damn self. be the greatest you can be. i fall short often, i am only now learning my way.

sounds like i've been on here long enough today. have a beautiful day/night, sir

Guitar92player

callen wrote:

Guitar92player wrote:

C'mon, this isn't a thread about attacking people's beliefs. Let's be respectful.

Up to this point in thread what was disrespectful?

When Byrnzie attacked the belief of Jesus, which was totally not what this thread was for. The topic was about what Fox News did to that author.

You should be respectful of people's beliefs.

Guitar92player

badbrains wrote:

Gern Blansten wrote:

I'm a CPA....just met with a client that told me these things:

1. That the post office will cross out the word "Liberty" that appears on any postage stamps because Obama has directed them to do so

2. Obama hates America, hates the constitution

3. I should listen to Rush Limbaugh and Fox News because the other news groups don't tell you everything

4. The government is evil and Obama wants to grow it large enough so that we collapse and a new government will emerge.

Keep in mind that this lady is on Medicare and collects Social Security.

I think your client posts in AMT

satansbed

Byrnzie wrote:

satansbed wrote:

except your last point is debatable at the very least, some scholars believe there was josephus's history does include something about jesus, others don't believe that it was the jesus

There is a mention of him, but it's been proven to have been inserted at a later date by the big boys in the Bible Brigade.

there is at least as much proof for jesus as that it was tampered with. your just picking and choosing now,

my position is that it is possible he existed, it is also possible he is an amalgamation of a few things,

now im not saying for one second he was the son of god.

but christianity didn't just come out of nowhere, i have no doubt its first followers where sincere but misguided

Byrnzie

satansbed wrote:

there is at least as much proof for Jesus as that it was tampered with.

No there isn't. The mention of Jesus in Josephus was a later insertion by the Church Fathers. There is no proof of Jesus's existence.

Gern Blansten

I think it's interesting to research the number of people that were writing back in that area and time. That NONE OF THEM wrote ANYTHING AT ALL about some guy named Jesus should tell you a lot.

Then....when you research "Similarities of Jesus and Vishnu" and "Similarities of Jesus and Mithra" you should be able to piece the puzzle together.

Guitar92player

Gern Blansten wrote:

I think it's interesting to research the number of people that were writing back in that area and time. That NONE OF THEM wrote ANYTHING AT ALL about some guy named Jesus should tell you a lot.

Then....when you research "Similarities of Jesus and Vishnu" and "Similarities of Jesus and Mithra" you should be able to piece the puzzle together.

Once again I will repeat what I said earlier on here:

"...there are probably no documents on him or the apostles because to the Romans and others they were not seen as important or worthy people to write about. Many of the stories of the gospels and the people involved were orally passed down from generation to generation and were eventually written about when the time was right. You and I both know Christians were tortured and killed the few hundred years after Jesus' death, so why would they hold on to any documents? If there were, they were destroyed..."

I am a History major in college and one thing you learn is that you will never find the primary sources you truly want sometimes. In the time when Roman's ruled, they only wrote about worthy people. They only cared for worthy people. Why would they write about the Jews, who were looked down upon, especially one who said he was King of the Jews?

When looking at history, you have to get in their mindset.