it divides ppl? a huge number of folks w/ 14 brain cells already dislike fox news. what is being divided?
people who watch fox news typically slant to their biases ... so, this interview was basically orchestrated to help divide and polarize people of different faiths ... that muslim people have radical views ... and that they are the enemy of christianity ...
That is pretty much what Fox News does. They obviously lean right (despite saying they are not) and they try and sell their agenda the same MSNBC does for the left.
Another reason I will never put a title on me and will have whatever views I want.
~Carter~
You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense
That is pretty much what Fox News does. They obviously lean right (despite saying they are not) and they try and sell their agenda the same MSNBC does for the left.
Another reason I will never put a title on me and will have whatever views I want.
although i mostly agree with you ... as a leftist (proud and open) - i take offense that msnbc is considered left ... they would be centrist at best imo ...
That is pretty much what Fox News does. They obviously lean right (despite saying they are not) and they try and sell their agenda the same MSNBC does for the left.
Another reason I will never put a title on me and will have whatever views I want.
although i mostly agree with you ... as a leftist (proud and open) - i take offense that msnbc is considered left ... they would be centrist at best imo ...
I don't hear as much crap from MSNBC as I do Fox News, but they are openly left (at least they admit it) but they do have a bias as much as Fox News, but I haven't many damning things from them as Fox News.
~Carter~
You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense
President Obama doubled down Tuesday on his claim that the Keystone XL oil pipeline would create just a handful of jobs, despite being hammered by Republicans and fact-checkers alike for the claim.
The president addressed Keystone during a speech in Chattanooga, Tenn., as he challenged Republicans to come up with new jobs proposals.
"They keep on talking about this -- an oil pipeline coming down from Canada that's estimated to create about 50 permanent jobs. That's not a jobs plan," Obama said.
In citing the 50-jobs number, though, the president was using the smallest possible number attached to the pipeline project. The estimate he used likely refers to a State Department finding that -- after the pipeline is built -- it would take roughly 50 people to maintain it.
But the comment ignores the rest of the State Department report that estimates the project would create nearly 4,000 annual construction jobs -- and potentially "support" an annual 42,000 jobs.
Obama similarly ignored those findings during an interview he gave recently to The New York Times. In the interview, Obama said the project would create roughly 2,000 construction jobs and maybe 100 additional jobs after that -- calling it a "blip relative to the need."
As FoxNews.com reported on Monday, Obama appeared to eschew the higher job-creation estimate from his own State Department, opting instead to use the numbers from a 2011 Cornell University Global Labor Institute study, which opposes construction of the crude-oil pipeline.
A Washington Post fact-check column on Tuesday questioned why the administration would ignore its own numbers.
"Ordinarily, we would expect the president to cite an estimate from his own State Department, rather than a think tank opposed to the project," The Post story said.
The paper acknowledged that much of the estimating is "guess work" that includes speculation about such "spinoff" jobs as suppliers.
"But the president shouldn't pick and choose how he cites job-creation numbers. Perhaps he is tipping his hand on what he secretly thinks of the Keystone XL by citing a low-ball figure, generated by the pipeline's opponents, but he should stick to using the official government estimate," the fact-check column concluded.
The Post suggests that Obama should perhaps estimate the job-creation numbers just as he did when touting his stimulus plan. The column gave the president's claim two "Pinocchios" -- out of four on the paper's fact-check scale.
Republicans were more critical of the claim.
"A president disparaging private-sector jobs while backstage at a jobs rally is beyond belief," Michigan Republican Rep. Fred Upton, chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Committee, told FoxNews.com. "The president's own State Department reported that Keystone would support upwards of 40,000 jobs. In this economy, any source of private job creation should be welcomed with open arms. After nearly five years and 15,500 pages of review, there is no reason to delay these jobs another day. Republicans, Democrats, leading unions, and job creators all agree, it's time to start building."
Another fact-check site -- one tied to the industry -- also blasted Obama's original comments. A post on the Oil Sands Fact Check blog cited the State Department's total estimates and wrote: "Um ... that's a little more than a blip. President Obama also could have consulted the many labor union members across the country who need those jobs and have held rallies in support of Keystone XL across the nation."
chad calling people stupid for supporting Fox is ...shall we say..not nice and who supports any news station ? I read many news sources does that mean I support the views of every news outlet I read ?
and besides this whole anti fox thing is mostly brought up by people that voted for obama...I should believe yours/their opinion of a news station ?????? please the proof is in the pudding
this whole anti fox thing is mostly brought up by people that voted for obama...I should believe yours/their opinion of a news station ?????? please the proof is in the pudding
Godfather.
Your claim is just as "not nice" as what Chad said. :roll:
I know many people who voted for Romney and hate Fox News.
~Carter~
You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense
foxnews channel is out of control & so insane that i'd rather smash my face in a bench vice than watch a full hour of sean hannity & alan combs. are they known as the beltway boys or is that some other clowns?
don't be hurt, godfather, you're stronger than that. yes i know foxnews is your source for the latest in worldwide news. i gotta admit, many of those anchor broads got some nice ass legs. truthfully, godfather, those assholes at foxnews are a uppity bunch not worth a bucket of donkey urine or an entire dog turd pile
these fuckers at foxnews are better than you or i, they are holier than thou & they crave heavy duty dollars & beg for yet another jerk off in office
i've never in all my life wanted to slap silly so many news anchors. the list of dipshit pansy ass spoiled little moma's boys is through the giant ceiling
brian kilmeade... are you fucking serious? o'reily? pierce morgan, foreal? glenn beck? glenn beck? glenn beck? this fucking glenn beck guy sends a chill up my spine & up my ass 6 ways from sunday. why can't he have a black eye or 7 more often? what a fucking clown this fucking guy
brian kilmeade... are you fucking serious? o'reily? pierce morgan, foreal? glenn beck? glenn beck? glenn beck? this fucking glenn beck guy sends a chill up my spine & up my ass 6 ways from sunday. why can't he have a black eye or 7 more often? what a fucking clown this fucking guy
Pierce Morgan? You mean Piers Morgan? If so, he is CNN.
~Carter~
You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense
Also, the letters written by Paul included in the gospel are seen as genuine.
The Gospels were written between 50-60 years after Jesus's supposed death. They are not evidence. Also, the letters of Paul do not speak of a historical Jesus at all, but only of a mystical dying and resurrecting Christ.
Also, the letters written by Paul included in the gospel are seen as genuine.
The Gospels were written between 50-60 years after Jesus's supposed death. They are not evidence. Also, the letters of Paul do not speak of a historical Jesus at all, but only of a mystical dying and resurrecting Christ.
Many letters in it, by Paul, were written about 20 years after Jesus' death. Granted not all letters by him are genuine, but there are many that are definitely written by him.
Know this, you will never get your written proof, other than Paul, when it comes to historical Jesus or anyone tied to him. Like I said earlier, there are probably no documents on him or the apostles because to the Romans and others they were not seen as important or worthy people to write about. Many of the stories of the gospels and the people involved were orally passed down from generation to generation and were eventually written about when the time was right. You and I both know Christians were tortured and killed the few hundred years after Jesus' death, so why would they hold on to any documents? If there were, they were destroyed. How Paul's survived I do not know.
You cannot always get physical proof.
~Carter~
You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense
Like I said earlier, there are probably no documents on him or the apostles because to the Romans and others they were not seen as important or worthy people to write about. Many of the stories of the gospels and the people involved were orally passed down from generation to generation and were eventually written about when the time was right. You and I both know Christians were tortured and killed the few hundred years after Jesus' death, so why would they hold on to any documents? If there were, they were destroyed. How Paul's survived I do not know.
You cannot always get physical proof.
So you're claiming that at the time of his alleged life, he was just a minor figure, and that that explains why nothing was written about him at that time? Sorry, but I'm not buying that. You can't claim he was the most important person that ever lived, and then claim that he went largely unnoticed during his life, having been only mentioned 50 years after his supposed death, despite comprehensive histories of the period having been written at the time of his supposed life.
How do you explain that in the 20 volume history of the Jews written by Flavius Josephus in the first Century AD there is no mention of Jesus?
Like I said earlier, there are probably no documents on him or the apostles because to the Romans and others they were not seen as important or worthy people to write about. Many of the stories of the gospels and the people involved were orally passed down from generation to generation and were eventually written about when the time was right. You and I both know Christians were tortured and killed the few hundred years after Jesus' death, so why would they hold on to any documents? If there were, they were destroyed. How Paul's survived I do not know.
You cannot always get physical proof.
So you're claiming that at the time of his alleged life, he was just a minor figure, and that that explains why nothing was written about him at that time? Sorry, but I'm not buying that. You can't claim he was the most important person that ever lived, and then claim that he went largely unnoticed during his life, having been only mentioned 50 years after his supposed death, despite comprehensive histories of the period having been written at the time of his supposed life.
How do you explain that in the 20 volume history of the Jews written by Flavius Josephus in the first Century AD there is no mention of Jesus?
To people who actually followed him he was something; outsiders didn't give a shit because they either didn't believe it or just didn't care for some Jew who claimed he was the son of God. Anyone who showed they were his followers were tortured or killed so why keep anything that showed you were loyal?
~Carter~
You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense
Like I said earlier, there are probably no documents on him or the apostles because to the Romans and others they were not seen as important or worthy people to write about. Many of the stories of the gospels and the people involved were orally passed down from generation to generation and were eventually written about when the time was right. You and I both know Christians were tortured and killed the few hundred years after Jesus' death, so why would they hold on to any documents? If there were, they were destroyed. How Paul's survived I do not know.
You cannot always get physical proof.
So you're claiming that at the time of his alleged life, he was just a minor figure, and that that explains why nothing was written about him at that time? Sorry, but I'm not buying that. You can't claim he was the most important person that ever lived, and then claim that he went largely unnoticed during his life, having been only mentioned 50 years after his supposed death, despite comprehensive histories of the period having been written at the time of his supposed life.
How do you explain that in the 20 volume history of the Jews written by Flavius Josephus in the first Century AD there is no mention of Jesus?
except your last point is debatable at the very least, some scholars believe there was josephus's history does include something about jesus, others don't believe that it was the jesus
foxnews channel is out of control & so insane that i'd rather smash my face in a bench vice than watch a full hour of sean hannity & alan combs. are they known as the beltway boys or is that some other clowns?
don't be hurt, godfather, you're stronger than that. yes i know foxnews is your source for the latest in worldwide news. i gotta admit, many of those anchor broads got some nice ass legs. truthfully, godfather, those assholes at foxnews are a uppity bunch not worth a bucket of donkey urine or an entire dog turd pile
these fuckers at foxnews are better than you or i, they are holier than thou & they crave heavy duty dollars & beg for yet another jerk off in office
i've never in all my life wanted to slap silly so many news anchors. the list of dipshit pansy ass spoiled little moma's boys is through the giant ceiling
brian kilmeade... are you fucking serious? o'reily? pierce morgan, foreal? glenn beck? glenn beck? glenn beck? this fucking glenn beck guy sends a chill up my spine & up my ass 6 ways from sunday. why can't he have a black eye or 7 more often? what a fucking clown this fucking guy
edit.
i'm sorry for earlier saying anyone who watches foxnews is stupid. that wasn't polite of me.
I wish I had your tallent with words,yes I agree fox is off the hook and look for and use or twist any bit of so called news they can get their hands on and I never take what they report word for word to heart infact I find it hard to believe any news sourse 100% because they all have an angle or some interest in one party or another, but that being said ..that's why I watch fox news,they have ancors that I wouldn't trust in for honest info but to me it's more fun to watch and after you read or listen to any news sourse you can count on one thing...there is a story there but the fax of the story are left up to the viewer to decide because anything after that is opinion and I like to trust my gut over some yahoo wearing makeup and a $100 suit :shock:
so trust mne my friend I (as I've always said) enjoy fox for the entertainment value and shock value...it's really the only comedy I enjoy watching....you never know ....Mayer Bob Filner may end up as an ancor on fox news
brian kilmeade... are you fucking serious? o'reily? pierce morgan, foreal? glenn beck? glenn beck? glenn beck? this fucking glenn beck guy sends a chill up my spine & up my ass 6 ways from sunday. why can't he have a black eye or 7 more often? what a fucking clown this fucking guy
Pierce Morgan? You mean Piers Morgan? If so, he is CNN.
well i do pretty fucking good for not owning a television the last 6 years. you a fan of mrs. pierce?
brian kilmeade... are you fucking serious? o'reily? pierce morgan, foreal? glenn beck? glenn beck? glenn beck? this fucking glenn beck guy sends a chill up my spine & up my ass 6 ways from sunday. why can't he have a black eye or 7 more often? what a fucking clown this fucking guy
Pierce Morgan? You mean Piers Morgan? If so, he is CNN.
well i do pretty fucking good for not owning a television the last 6 years. you a fan of mrs. pierce?
I used to be but not so much anymore. I like his shows when they are not talking politics.
~Carter~
You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense
except your last point is debatable at the very least, some scholars believe there was josephus's history does include something about jesus, others don't believe that it was the jesus
There is a mention of him, but it's been proven to have been inserted at a later date by the big boys in the Bible Brigade.
well i do pretty fucking good for not owning a television the last 6 years. you a fan of mrs. pierce?
That's about the same amount of time that I've not turned on a t.v. The last time i turned on a t.v set was in 2010 to watch the football World Cup, only to discover they'd disconnected me for not paying my license fee. Before that, it was 2008 to watch the opening ceremony of the Beijing Olympics.
One of the biggest reverse culture shocks I had going back to England was seeing everyone watching t.v. It just seemed kind of weird, and a bit pathetic.
well i do pretty fucking good for not owning a television the last 6 years. you a fan of mrs. pierce?
That's about the same amount of time that I've not turned on a t.v. The last time i turned on a t.v set was in 2010 to watch the football World Cup, only to discover they'd disconnected me for not paying my license fee. Before that, it was 2008 to watch the opening ceremony of the Beijing Olympics.
One of the biggest reverse culture shocks I had going back to England was seeing everyone watching t.v. It just seemed kind of weird, and a bit pathetic.
i can't stand 97% of all television programming. i would seriously rather fight three clowns & be beaten w/ a garden hose than watch most programs that are popular & have millions enthralled. on a computrer i write & interact & try my darndest to learn something i love or do not even know anything about. what really is odd, Byrnzie, is that neighbors & other folks who know i do not subscribe to television fully believe i am a fucking odd ball weirdo for not owning & watching useless television programming.
firstly. i write & do my damnedest at creating a world that suits my poetic head & breath. i am not going to go out & purchase a flat screen. i am not going to pay the cable bill on time so why put myself in this position of late fees & so on? i need that cable bill for gas money & a sack of groceries.
i can't stand main stream. i can't stand foxnews anchors except the smokin broads. they be selling their skins not their journalistic passions & abilities at delivering news in a talented fashion. im saying they are full of shit. i am to the point where society & i are at odds, been this way awhile now. to me, television is one of humanities greatest downfalls.
this is not the thread but while im on a roll, reality shows... please disappear.
i do apologize to everyone for coming across like i do. i am no better than anyone else. i am not trying to place myself in a better light. many already believe this is how i come across. it is not true at all. i just dislike television programming, video gaming systems & games & i throughly believe 82.9% of society is a fucking disaster
the only way to right humanity is to work on one's own damn self. be the greatest you can be. i fall short often, i am only now learning my way.
sounds like i've been on here long enough today. have a beautiful day/night, sir
C'mon, this isn't a thread about attacking people's beliefs. Let's be respectful.
Up to this point in thread what was disrespectful?
When Byrnzie attacked the belief of Jesus, which was totally not what this thread was for. The topic was about what Fox News did to that author.
You should be respectful of people's beliefs.
~Carter~
You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense
I'm a CPA....just met with a client that told me these things:
1. That the post office will cross out the word "Liberty" that appears on any postage stamps because Obama has directed them to do so
2. Obama hates America, hates the constitution
3. I should listen to Rush Limbaugh and Fox News because the other news groups don't tell you everything
4. The government is evil and Obama wants to grow it large enough so that we collapse and a new government will emerge.
Keep in mind that this lady is on Medicare and collects Social Security.
I think your client posts in AMT
~Carter~
You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense
except your last point is debatable at the very least, some scholars believe there was josephus's history does include something about jesus, others don't believe that it was the jesus
There is a mention of him, but it's been proven to have been inserted at a later date by the big boys in the Bible Brigade.
there is at least as much proof for jesus as that it was tampered with. your just picking and choosing now,
my position is that it is possible he existed, it is also possible he is an amalgamation of a few things,
now im not saying for one second he was the son of god.
but christianity didn't just come out of nowhere, i have no doubt its first followers where sincere but misguided
I think it's interesting to research the number of people that were writing back in that area and time. That NONE OF THEM wrote ANYTHING AT ALL about some guy named Jesus should tell you a lot.
Then....when you research "Similarities of Jesus and Vishnu" and "Similarities of Jesus and Mithra" you should be able to piece the puzzle together.
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I think it's interesting to research the number of people that were writing back in that area and time. That NONE OF THEM wrote ANYTHING AT ALL about some guy named Jesus should tell you a lot.
Then....when you research "Similarities of Jesus and Vishnu" and "Similarities of Jesus and Mithra" you should be able to piece the puzzle together.
Once again I will repeat what I said earlier on here:
"...there are probably no documents on him or the apostles because to the Romans and others they were not seen as important or worthy people to write about. Many of the stories of the gospels and the people involved were orally passed down from generation to generation and were eventually written about when the time was right. You and I both know Christians were tortured and killed the few hundred years after Jesus' death, so why would they hold on to any documents? If there were, they were destroyed..."
I am a History major in college and one thing you learn is that you will never find the primary sources you truly want sometimes. In the time when Roman's ruled, they only wrote about worthy people. They only cared for worthy people. Why would they write about the Jews, who were looked down upon, especially one who said he was King of the Jews?
When looking at history, you have to get in their mindset.
~Carter~
You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense
Comments
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
That is pretty much what Fox News does. They obviously lean right (despite saying they are not) and they try and sell their agenda the same MSNBC does for the left.
Another reason I will never put a title on me and will have whatever views I want.
You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense
although i mostly agree with you ... as a leftist (proud and open) - i take offense that msnbc is considered left ... they would be centrist at best imo ...
I don't hear as much crap from MSNBC as I do Fox News, but they are openly left (at least they admit it) but they do have a bias as much as Fox News, but I haven't many damning things from them as Fox News.
You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense
The president addressed Keystone during a speech in Chattanooga, Tenn., as he challenged Republicans to come up with new jobs proposals.
"They keep on talking about this -- an oil pipeline coming down from Canada that's estimated to create about 50 permanent jobs. That's not a jobs plan," Obama said.
In citing the 50-jobs number, though, the president was using the smallest possible number attached to the pipeline project. The estimate he used likely refers to a State Department finding that -- after the pipeline is built -- it would take roughly 50 people to maintain it.
But the comment ignores the rest of the State Department report that estimates the project would create nearly 4,000 annual construction jobs -- and potentially "support" an annual 42,000 jobs.
Obama similarly ignored those findings during an interview he gave recently to The New York Times. In the interview, Obama said the project would create roughly 2,000 construction jobs and maybe 100 additional jobs after that -- calling it a "blip relative to the need."
As FoxNews.com reported on Monday, Obama appeared to eschew the higher job-creation estimate from his own State Department, opting instead to use the numbers from a 2011 Cornell University Global Labor Institute study, which opposes construction of the crude-oil pipeline.
A Washington Post fact-check column on Tuesday questioned why the administration would ignore its own numbers.
"Ordinarily, we would expect the president to cite an estimate from his own State Department, rather than a think tank opposed to the project," The Post story said.
The paper acknowledged that much of the estimating is "guess work" that includes speculation about such "spinoff" jobs as suppliers.
"But the president shouldn't pick and choose how he cites job-creation numbers. Perhaps he is tipping his hand on what he secretly thinks of the Keystone XL by citing a low-ball figure, generated by the pipeline's opponents, but he should stick to using the official government estimate," the fact-check column concluded.
The Post suggests that Obama should perhaps estimate the job-creation numbers just as he did when touting his stimulus plan. The column gave the president's claim two "Pinocchios" -- out of four on the paper's fact-check scale.
Republicans were more critical of the claim.
"A president disparaging private-sector jobs while backstage at a jobs rally is beyond belief," Michigan Republican Rep. Fred Upton, chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Committee, told FoxNews.com. "The president's own State Department reported that Keystone would support upwards of 40,000 jobs. In this economy, any source of private job creation should be welcomed with open arms. After nearly five years and 15,500 pages of review, there is no reason to delay these jobs another day. Republicans, Democrats, leading unions, and job creators all agree, it's time to start building."
Another fact-check site -- one tied to the industry -- also blasted Obama's original comments. A post on the Oil Sands Fact Check blog cited the State Department's total estimates and wrote: "Um ... that's a little more than a blip. President Obama also could have consulted the many labor union members across the country who need those jobs and have held rallies in support of Keystone XL across the nation."
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/07 ... z2aZB6AaqS
chad calling people stupid for supporting Fox is ...shall we say..not nice
and besides this whole anti fox thing is mostly brought up by people that voted for obama...I should believe yours/their opinion of a news station ?????? please the proof is in the pudding
Godfather.
Your claim is just as "not nice" as what Chad said. :roll:
I know many people who voted for Romney and hate Fox News.
You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense
foxnews channel is out of control & so insane that i'd rather smash my face in a bench vice than watch a full hour of sean hannity & alan combs. are they known as the beltway boys or is that some other clowns?
don't be hurt, godfather, you're stronger than that. yes i know foxnews is your source for the latest in worldwide news. i gotta admit, many of those anchor broads got some nice ass legs. truthfully, godfather, those assholes at foxnews are a uppity bunch not worth a bucket of donkey urine or an entire dog turd pile
these fuckers at foxnews are better than you or i, they are holier than thou & they crave heavy duty dollars & beg for yet another jerk off in office
i've never in all my life wanted to slap silly so many news anchors. the list of dipshit pansy ass spoiled little moma's boys is through the giant ceiling
brian kilmeade... are you fucking serious? o'reily? pierce morgan, foreal? glenn beck? glenn beck? glenn beck? this fucking glenn beck guy sends a chill up my spine & up my ass 6 ways from sunday. why can't he have a black eye or 7 more often? what a fucking clown this fucking guy
http://youtu.be/_iFzHsOacVg
courtney friel's barbie closet. a true journalist im sure
edit.
i'm sorry for earlier saying anyone who watches foxnews is stupid. that wasn't polite of me.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Pierce Morgan? You mean Piers Morgan? If so, he is CNN.
You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense
The Gospels were written between 50-60 years after Jesus's supposed death. They are not evidence. Also, the letters of Paul do not speak of a historical Jesus at all, but only of a mystical dying and resurrecting Christ.
Many letters in it, by Paul, were written about 20 years after Jesus' death. Granted not all letters by him are genuine, but there are many that are definitely written by him.
Know this, you will never get your written proof, other than Paul, when it comes to historical Jesus or anyone tied to him. Like I said earlier, there are probably no documents on him or the apostles because to the Romans and others they were not seen as important or worthy people to write about. Many of the stories of the gospels and the people involved were orally passed down from generation to generation and were eventually written about when the time was right. You and I both know Christians were tortured and killed the few hundred years after Jesus' death, so why would they hold on to any documents? If there were, they were destroyed. How Paul's survived I do not know.
You cannot always get physical proof.
You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense
So you're claiming that at the time of his alleged life, he was just a minor figure, and that that explains why nothing was written about him at that time? Sorry, but I'm not buying that. You can't claim he was the most important person that ever lived, and then claim that he went largely unnoticed during his life, having been only mentioned 50 years after his supposed death, despite comprehensive histories of the period having been written at the time of his supposed life.
How do you explain that in the 20 volume history of the Jews written by Flavius Josephus in the first Century AD there is no mention of Jesus?
To people who actually followed him he was something; outsiders didn't give a shit because they either didn't believe it or just didn't care for some Jew who claimed he was the son of God. Anyone who showed they were his followers were tortured or killed so why keep anything that showed you were loyal?
You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense
except your last point is debatable at the very least, some scholars believe there was josephus's history does include something about jesus, others don't believe that it was the jesus
so trust mne my friend I (as I've always said) enjoy fox for the entertainment value and shock value...it's really the only comedy I enjoy watching....you never know ....Mayer Bob Filner may end up as an ancor on fox news
Godfather.
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I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
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I used to be but not so much anymore. I like his shows when they are not talking politics.
You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense
1. That the post office will cross out the word "Liberty" that appears on any postage stamps because Obama has directed them to do so
2. Obama hates America, hates the constitution
3. I should listen to Rush Limbaugh and Fox News because the other news groups don't tell you everything
4. The government is evil and Obama wants to grow it large enough so that we collapse and a new government will emerge.
Keep in mind that this lady is on Medicare and collects Social Security.
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you forgot paranoid
Godfather.
And if given the opportunity - i would cover your back.
There is a mention of him, but it's been proven to have been inserted at a later date by the big boys in the Bible Brigade.
That's about the same amount of time that I've not turned on a t.v. The last time i turned on a t.v set was in 2010 to watch the football World Cup, only to discover they'd disconnected me for not paying my license fee. Before that, it was 2008 to watch the opening ceremony of the Beijing Olympics.
One of the biggest reverse culture shocks I had going back to England was seeing everyone watching t.v. It just seemed kind of weird, and a bit pathetic.
I think your client posts in AMT
firstly. i write & do my damnedest at creating a world that suits my poetic head & breath. i am not going to go out & purchase a flat screen. i am not going to pay the cable bill on time so why put myself in this position of late fees & so on? i need that cable bill for gas money & a sack of groceries.
i can't stand main stream. i can't stand foxnews anchors except the smokin broads. they be selling their skins not their journalistic passions & abilities at delivering news in a talented fashion. im saying they are full of shit. i am to the point where society & i are at odds, been this way awhile now. to me, television is one of humanities greatest downfalls.
this is not the thread but while im on a roll, reality shows... please disappear.
i do apologize to everyone for coming across like i do. i am no better than anyone else. i am not trying to place myself in a better light. many already believe this is how i come across. it is not true at all. i just dislike television programming, video gaming systems & games & i throughly believe 82.9% of society is a fucking disaster
the only way to right humanity is to work on one's own damn self. be the greatest you can be. i fall short often, i am only now learning my way.
sounds like i've been on here long enough today. have a beautiful day/night, sir
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
When Byrnzie attacked the belief of Jesus, which was totally not what this thread was for. The topic was about what Fox News did to that author.
You should be respectful of people's beliefs.
You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense
You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense
there is at least as much proof for jesus as that it was tampered with. your just picking and choosing now,
my position is that it is possible he existed, it is also possible he is an amalgamation of a few things,
now im not saying for one second he was the son of god.
but christianity didn't just come out of nowhere, i have no doubt its first followers where sincere but misguided
No there isn't. The mention of Jesus in Josephus was a later insertion by the Church Fathers. There is no proof of Jesus's existence.
Then....when you research "Similarities of Jesus and Vishnu" and "Similarities of Jesus and Mithra" you should be able to piece the puzzle together.
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2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
Once again I will repeat what I said earlier on here:
"...there are probably no documents on him or the apostles because to the Romans and others they were not seen as important or worthy people to write about. Many of the stories of the gospels and the people involved were orally passed down from generation to generation and were eventually written about when the time was right. You and I both know Christians were tortured and killed the few hundred years after Jesus' death, so why would they hold on to any documents? If there were, they were destroyed..."
I am a History major in college and one thing you learn is that you will never find the primary sources you truly want sometimes. In the time when Roman's ruled, they only wrote about worthy people. They only cared for worthy people. Why would they write about the Jews, who were looked down upon, especially one who said he was King of the Jews?
When looking at history, you have to get in their mindset.
You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense