PHONY SCANDALS ??

fear4freedom · July 2013

President Obama has called all the scandals "Phony". How can he say that? Just two months ago he said he was outraged at the IRS targeting of conservative groups. He also has said things that confirmed Benghazi and the AP

How can he come out and say all these scandals are phonY? Isnt that the opposite of leading? What if they are half true or true? Wouldnt that make our president's remarks terrible in many ways?

If you were the father or mother of one of the service members killed in Benghazi, how would you feel when you heard that?

I dont know how he speaks with a straight face anymore

Maybe Wikileaks is right ....he is a wolf in sheeps clothing

ajedigecko · July 2013

Two months into his first term...closed door crimes were being drawn up.

...i believe he is a liar.

Abuskedti · July 2013

fear4freedom wrote:

President Obama has called all the scandals "Phony". How can he say that? Just two months ago he said he was outraged at the IRS targeting of conservative groups. He also has said things that confirmed Benghazi and the AP

How can he come out and say all these scandals are phonY? Isnt that the opposite of leading? What if they are half true or true? Wouldnt that make our president's remarks terrible in many ways?

If you were the father or mother of one of the service members killed in Benghazi, how would you feel when you heard that?

I dont know how he speaks with a straight face anymore

Maybe Wikileaks is right ....he is a wolf in sheeps clothing

becasue they are not scandles.. they are stuff that happens in a very large complex world. The implication that they are cover ups of some horrible wrong doing is phony.

fear4freedom · July 2013

Abuskedti wrote:

fear4freedom wrote:

President Obama has called all the scandals "Phony". How can he say that? Just two months ago he said he was outraged at the IRS targeting of conservative groups. He also has said things that confirmed Benghazi and the AP

How can he come out and say all these scandals are phonY? Isnt that the opposite of leading? What if they are half true or true? Wouldnt that make our president's remarks terrible in many ways?

If you were the father or mother of one of the service members killed in Benghazi, how would you feel when you heard that?

I dont know how he speaks with a straight face anymore

Maybe Wikileaks is right ....he is a wolf in sheeps clothing

becasue they are not scandles.. they are stuff that happens in a very large complex world. The implication that they are cover ups of some horrible wrong doing is phony.

Cliffy6745 · July 2013

Prince Of Dorkness · July 2013

Be a use we now know that republicans asked them to just investigate scrutiny of tea party groups so they could report on scrutiny of tea party groups.... Ignoring the face that ALL groups, conservative and liberal, were held to scrutiny when asking for tax exempt status.

This was a "scandal" scripted by republicans to flog on Fox News. It's made up. It's a phony scandal.

jethrojam420 · July 2013

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

Be a use we now know that republicans asked them to just investigate scrutiny of tea party groups so they could report on scrutiny of tea party groups.... Ignoring the face that ALL groups, conservative and liberal, were held to scrutiny when asking for tax exempt status.

This was a "scandal" scripted by republicans to flog on Fox News. It's made up. It's a phony scandal.

The OP will never see that. Drilling for fear, makes the job simple....

pjl44 · July 2013

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

Be a use we now know that republicans asked them to just investigate scrutiny of tea party groups so they could report on scrutiny of tea party groups.... Ignoring the face that ALL groups, conservative and liberal, were held to scrutiny when asking for tax exempt status.

This was a "scandal" scripted by republicans to flog on Fox News. It's made up. It's a phony scandal.

Then why did the IRS come out and admit that they acted improperly? Regardless of the ideology, subjecting any groups to a different set of standards by keywords is entirely inappropriate. If there were groups that shouldn't be eligible for a tax-exempt status, isn't that the entire point of a basic application process?

ajedigecko · July 2013

If it is wrong...it is wrong.

Regardless of how many people believe it.

A guy named leo tolstoy said something to that effect.

Bentleyspop · July 2013

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

Be a use we now know that republicans asked them to just investigate scrutiny of tea party groups so they could report on scrutiny of tea party groups.... Ignoring the face that ALL groups, conservative and liberal, were held to scrutiny when asking for tax exempt status.

This was a "scandal" scripted by republicans to flog on Fox News. It's made up. It's a phony scandal.

Stop making sense

aerial · July 2013

Bentleyspop wrote:

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

Be a use we now know that republicans asked them to just investigate scrutiny of tea party groups so they could report on scrutiny of tea party groups.... Ignoring the face that ALL groups, conservative and liberal, were held to scrutiny when asking for tax exempt status.

This was a "scandal" scripted by republicans to flog on Fox News. It's made up. It's a phony scandal.

Stop making sense

Those that believe Obama and agree that the IRS did not target 100% of the Tea Party groups need to do some research.
does anyone have a list of the Democratic groups that were flagged? The ones I saw had names that sounded like conservatives.....I believe that is the only reason they had been flagged....then promptly given tax exempt status.....

Gern Blansten · July 2013

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/21/busin ... .html?_r=0

Absolutely phony. The agency had like 700 requests come in and a handful of people to process them. To sort out political from non political applications they instructed the clerks to sort them by identifiable titles.

Yes 100% of the Tea Party groups were scrutinized....so were 100% of every other application type.

It's phony outrage...just like Benghazi

Have you also noticed the outrage over Obamacare? And how the GOP plan is very very similar to Obamacare? Remember that Obamacare is the idea of the Heritage Group? A conservative group?

Turn off Fox News

Bentleyspop · July 2013

aerial wrote:

Bentleyspop wrote:

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

Be a use we now know that republicans asked them to just investigate scrutiny of tea party groups so they could report on scrutiny of tea party groups.... Ignoring the face that ALL groups, conservative and liberal, were held to scrutiny when asking for tax exempt status.

This was a "scandal" scripted by republicans to flog on Fox News. It's made up. It's a phony scandal.

Stop making sense

Those that believe Obama and agree that the IRS did not target 100% of the Tea Party groups need to do some research.
does anyone have a list of the Democratic groups that were flagged? The ones I saw had names that sounded like conservatives.....I believe that is the only reason they had been flagged....then promptly given tax exempt status.....

Doing research? seriously? that's a good one

Speaking of doing research...hey Aerial...how many Pearl Jam shows are you going to this year?

aerial · July 2013

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aerial · July 2013

Gern Blansten wrote:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/21/business/advocacy-groups-denied-tax-exempt-status-are-named.html?_r=0

Absolutely phony. The agency had like 700 requests come in and a handful of people to process them. To sort out political from non political applications they instructed the clerks to sort them by identifiable titles.

Yes 100% of the Tea Party groups were scrutinized....so were 100% of every other application type.

It's phony outrage...just like Benghazi

Have you also noticed the outrage over Obamacare? And how the GOP plan is very very similar to Obamacare? Remember that Obamacare is the idea of the Heritage Group? A conservative group?

Turn off Fox News

USA Today reported that two IRS employees have been placed on administrative leave over the scandal.

IRS is still under scrutiny for admitting last month that some of its agents had specifically targeted conservative groups for additional review during 2010 and 2012. Republicans and Democrats have blasted those revelations, with President Barack Obama promising "no tolerance" for such breaches of trust.

IRS managed to spend $50 million taxpayer money between 2010 and 2012 – including more than $4 million on one conference in Anaheim, California in 2010, which reportedly featured lavish presidential suites, video skits and gifts for IRS employees.

When I came to IRS, part of my job was to hold people accountable," said acting commissioner Danny Werfel. "There was clearly inappropriate behavior involved in this situation, and immediate action is needed."

Is there another definition of scandal.....Could it be scandal does not mean scandal anymore? Is this another word that is being redefined?

Gern Blansten · July 2013

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/05/us/po ... d=all&_r=0

The IRS was just doing its job.

Surely you realize that the IRS is a toxic topic for the tea party/right. Of course someone had to pay for these manufactured wrongs and leaders on both the left and right are going to speak out about it and not defend the IRS. It's an agency that few people understand. The agency gets blamed for tax laws that it has absolutely nothing to do with....that's Congress' job.

Gern Blansten · July 2013

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/ ... B520130618

"John Shafer, who described himself as "a conservative Republican," told congressional investigators he flagged the first application for tax-exempt status from a Tea Party-aligned group that he and a lower-level agent came across in February 2010 because it was a new, high-profile issue.

Asked if the lower-level agent sought to elevate the case to Washington because he disagreed with Tea Party politics, Shafer said that was not the case.

"We never, never discussed any political, personal aspirations whatsoever," he said, according to a transcript of his testimony reviewed by Reuters on Tuesday."

aerial · July 2013

Gern Blansten wrote:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/18/us-usa-irs-teaparty-idUSBRE95H1B520130618

"John Shafer, who described himself as "a conservative Republican," told congressional investigators he flagged the first application for tax-exempt status from a Tea Party-aligned group that he and a lower-level agent came across in February 2010 because it was a new, high-profile issue.

Asked if the lower-level agent sought to elevate the case to Washington because he disagreed with Tea Party politics, Shafer said that was not the case.

"We never, never discussed any political, personal aspirations whatsoever," he said, according to a transcript of his testimony reviewed by Reuters on Tuesday."

Understandable to have the first one flagged if Tea Party was new to them....but what about all the others?

A retiring IRS lawyer implicates the IRS chief counsel's office, headed by an Obama appointee, as well as the head of the IRS' exempt organizations office. The targeting included a Tea Party Senate candidate.
In Thursday's hearing before the House Oversight Committee, 72-year-old retiring IRS lawyer Carter Hull implicated the IRS chief counsel's office headed by William J. Wilkins, who attended at least nine White House meetings, and Lois Lerner, head of the exempt-organizations office, in the IRS scandal.
In so doing, he made clear the targeting of Tea Party groups started in Washington and was directed from Washington.

Read More At Investor's Business Daily:http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/071813-664292-carter-hull-says-washington-targeted-tea-party.htm#ixzz2aAA11J5b

Apparently not only Tea Party groups were targeted but actual candidates as well. On March 9, 2010, the day Tea Party candidate Christine O'Donnell revealed her plan to run for Vice President Joe Biden's former Delaware Senate seat , an IRS tax lien was placed on a house purported to be hers, an action that was quickly publicized by those who did not wish her well.
Earlier this year, Dennis Martel, special agent with the Department of Treasury in Baltimore, left a message on O'Donnell's cell phone telling her that an official in Delaware state government had improperly accessed her records on that very same day. The problem was that the house was not hers in the first place and the IRS eventually blamed the lien on a computer glitch and withdrew it.

Read More At Investor's Business Daily: http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorial ... z2aAAyHz3a

Gern Blansten · July 2013

an editorial? come on...

Prince Of Dorkness · July 2013

Yeah...but...but... Benghazi.... He was born in Kenya.... And Obamacare will euthanize the Palin family.

And what about his college record! Huh? What about that?!!

There is no scandal here. That conservatives are still desperately beating this dead horse, thus making themselves look like idiots, is nothing that new.

Just irritating.

Gern Blansten · July 2013

It's really pathetic. I still see people posting crap on facebook about how Obama "watched" the four people die in Benghazi on a drone feed or something.

totally clueless

aerial · July 2013

Gern Blansten wrote:

an editorial? come on...

http://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/2013.07.17-DEI-Jordan-Camp-Boustany-to-Werfel-REDACTED.pdf

Gern Blansten · July 2013

Oh...a finding from Issa, no bias there

keep trying

aerial · July 2013

Gern Blansten wrote:

Oh...a finding from Issa, no bias there

keep trying

I was try to show testimony from people that were involved, but if you don't want to see it...ok

Bentleyspop · July 2013

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pjl44 · July 2013

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

Yeah...but...but... Benghazi.... He was born in Kenya.... And Obamacare will euthanize the Palin family.

And what about his college record! Huh? What about that?!!

There is no scandal here. That conservatives are still desperately beating this dead horse, thus making themselves look like idiots, is nothing that new.

Just irritating.

Again, the IRS admitted it acted inappropriately and, if you read down, Jay Carney acknowledged it on behalf of the White House, also deeming their actions inappropriate. This wasn't made up.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/irs-apol ... ive-groups

aerial · July 2013

pjl44 wrote:

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

Yeah...but...but... Benghazi.... He was born in Kenya.... And Obamacare will euthanize the Palin family.

And what about his college record! Huh? What about that?!!

There is no scandal here. That conservatives are still desperately beating this dead horse, thus making themselves look like idiots, is nothing that new.

Just irritating.

Again, the IRS admitted it acted inappropriately and, if you read down, Jay Carney acknowledged it on behalf of the White House, also deeming their actions inappropriate. This wasn't made up.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/irs-apol ... ive-groups

Some people think if they deny the facts they will go away.

Hugh Freaking Dillon · July 2013

Bentleyspop wrote:

Doing research? seriously? that's a good one

yeah, I found that one kind of ironic myself!

Prince Of Dorkness · July 2013

aerial wrote:

.

Yeah.

Why do you do that?

Prince Of Dorkness · July 2013

pjl44 wrote:

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

Yeah...but...but... Benghazi.... He was born in Kenya.... And Obamacare will euthanize the Palin family.

And what about his college record! Huh? What about that?!!

There is no scandal here. That conservatives are still desperately beating this dead horse, thus making themselves look like idiots, is nothing that new.

Just irritating.

Again, the IRS admitted it acted inappropriately and, if you read down, Jay Carney acknowledged it on behalf of the White House, also deeming their actions inappropriate. This wasn't made up.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/irs-apol ... ive-groups

Very good, now find a current story written now that we got all the facts straight (or most of them, at least) and from a reputable news agency.

Godfather. · July 2013

aerial wrote:

Gern Blansten wrote:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/21/business/advocacy-groups-denied-tax-exempt-status-are-named.html?_r=0

Absolutely phony. The agency had like 700 requests come in and a handful of people to process them. To sort out political from non political applications they instructed the clerks to sort them by identifiable titles.

Yes 100% of the Tea Party groups were scrutinized....so were 100% of every other application type.

It's phony outrage...just like Benghazi

Have you also noticed the outrage over Obamacare? And how the GOP plan is very very similar to Obamacare? Remember that Obamacare is the idea of the Heritage Group? A conservative group?

Turn off Fox News

USA Today reported that two IRS employees have been placed on administrative leave over the scandal.

IRS is still under scrutiny for admitting last month that some of its agents had specifically targeted conservative groups for additional review during 2010 and 2012. Republicans and Democrats have blasted those revelations, with President Barack Obama promising "no tolerance" for such breaches of trust.

IRS managed to spend $50 million taxpayer money between 2010 and 2012 – including more than $4 million on one conference in Anaheim, California in 2010, which reportedly featured lavish presidential suites, video skits and gifts for IRS employees.

When I came to IRS, part of my job was to hold people accountable," said acting commissioner Danny Werfel. "There was clearly inappropriate behavior involved in this situation, and immediate action is needed."

Is there another definition of scandal.....Could it be scandal does not mean scandal anymore? Is this another word that is being redefined?

some folks on here think the scandles are a scandle to undermine the president ?????

these are the sheep.

Godfather.

PHONY SCANDALS ??

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