Hey PJ, WTF is this brain-dead policy?

Spilt Tincture

TooBigForHisSize wrote:

That policy is the most retarded thing I've ever heard. I brought binoculars to Hartford and Boston and no one was killed.

I'm also legally blind. Have they considered that factor?

I have crowd surfed and no one was hurt as far as I know. That doesn't change the fact that some idiot could hurt someone by swinging around or fist pumping their binoculars. The security can't tell just be looking who will or won't accidentally hurt someone with all the crap they bring into the venue. Plus being in america not only could/would someone sue the person who hit them with the binoculars etc. but also the venue and the band could possibly be held liable. It's sad but nowadays you have to cover your ass.

Anyways like I said before, it's a rock concert you are their for the music not to see what they are wearing!

ndv180

Spilt Tincture wrote:

I have crowd surfed and no one was hurt as far as I know. That doesn't change the fact that some idiot could hurt someone by swinging around or fist pumping their binoculars.

And someone can't do that with a camera or some other unbanned object?? Yet camera's are allowed.

Like I said earlier in this thread. I only became a danger to society after I was refused admittance with the binoculars (I wanted to break things!).

Anyways like I said before, it's a rock concert you are their for the music not to see what they are wearing!

If someone wants to bring in binoculars, it's not for you to judge their motives. Maybe the band should just play behind a curtain. Since, according to you, there's no need to see them.

Spilt Tincture

ndv180 wrote:

And someone can't do that with a camera or some other unbanned object?? Yet camera's are allowed.

Absolutely could. Some dude could take one of the floor chairs and go wwf on everyone around him but obviously we can't remove the chairs. same with cameras, some security are pretty harsh with what cameras are allowed and some could care less. It's entirely possible that another security guy would have let you in without a second look. What I am saying is that I understand the reasoning why binoculars might be banned.

ndv180 wrote:

Like I said earlier in this thread. I only became a danger to society after I was refused admittance with the binoculars (I wanted to break things!).

I guess then we should always give you your way then!

ndv180 wrote:

If someone wants to bring in binoculars, it's not for you to judge their motives. Maybe the band should just play behind a curtain. Since, according to you, there's no need to see them.

I am not judging your motives, accidents can and do happen. I dont see the point in standing and gawking through binoculars. How far back are your seats?

decides2dream

ACCBootlegGoddess wrote:

Go see Tims (Rubysdad) camera policy thread on the Porch (its a sticky). It says right there no Binoculars. Dunno why that is, but its the bands wishes.

exactly. someone also quoted a kat post saying the same. it is new for this tour, don't know what prompted the change...but yes, it does suck. i haven't brought binoculars to a show since pj in 2003, but using my own 10C # for the first time since 2003, binoculars would come in handy. so rather sad i won't be able to even sneak a peek at any of the boys faces on 06/03. :(

Veddernarian

These are my binoculars. The one on top, not the one with the compass:
http://www.steiner-binoculars.com/binoculars/marine/392.html

I am an avid boater. They originally retailed at US $1299 but I got them for $750. They are unbelievable. There are no adjustments. Just put them over your eyes. The little rubber cups fit over your eyes and the field of view is amazing. They pick up light at night. You can see things at night. I took them to Robert Plant at the Greek Theatre. My seats were far back but with these things, it was like watching a DVD. To the guy who commented about not caring whether or not you see, the bootleg program might be a nice cheap alternative to buying concert tickets. For me, and I think I speak for most people, the ability to see the performers is a requirement at a concert. My number is 6 digit beginning with 25. At Irvine, 03, my 10c seats were far back and these Binoculars made a huge difference. I was planning to bring these. I can't sneak them in. I could say I was Johnny "Wadd" Holmes and stick them in my pants but everybody knows he's dead.

This, to me seems very arbitrary. I can't think of a reason for the policy. I am really curious why; what the reasoning is behind it. Maybe then, I'll understand.

legolandbridge

It is a strong possiblity that people would go ape shit during the show and start swinging the binoculars over their head by the strap.

Better safe than sorry. Stop swinging your binoculars around people.

sometimes I cringe

could have something to do with the newly added lasers at the shows...
I noticed several times they were hitting in the crowd in the upper level...if someone caught one of those in binoculars, that would be a lawsuit waiting to happen

Spiritual_Chaos

I have never seen someone using binoculars at a concert, that would look pretty funny

ndv180

sometimes I cringe wrote:

could have something to do with the newly added lasers at the shows...
I noticed several times they were hitting in the crowd in the upper level...if someone caught one of those in binoculars, that would be a lawsuit waiting to happen

I don't know what is so hard about providing a reason for the policy. I've sent two emails to 10C asking for an explanation (if I ever get one, I'd drop the whole subject). I received a response to the first email that was totally ambiguous with no explanation for the policy. It did say that they were sorry if I was inconvenienced. A couple of hours after I received that response, the policy thread was updated with the "no Binoculars" notice (on Sat May 27). I sent a follow-up email on Sunday, again asking for the reason behind the policy and have not received an answer.

KMK182

ndv180 wrote:

Per order of the band - No Binoculars!

There was a sign posted at Camden that said a long list of things you couldn't take it including binoculars, blankets, and AUDIO RECORDERS. I think it said "per order of the band," but I could be confusing that with the "No Moshing" sign. I saw plenty of people with all of the above though, and even a few people with bottles and cans of beer as they didn't pat you down very well. So I guess it depends how well they want to carry it out.

Sharon_Hearts_PJ

Guy next to me at Camden1 had binoculars.
Those lists are bullshit. It's basically what you can get away with. It all depends on who you get. Anyone in the fronts of the lines at Camden2 probably saw what we saw. The staff was JUST THEN getting taught how to frisk and do bag searches. Shouldn't that have been done when they were hired? Or at some orientation PRIOR to the shows?
It's all a load of crap.

mc escher

Alot of bands don't allow "hard" or blunt objects because there are so many people packed into an area and if someone gets upset they could throw them or hit someone with them and it could get pretty ugly...(no blankets is a lil confusing but I am sure there is ajustification) The chances of it happening are slim but I think you all would agree crazier and worse things have unfortunatly happened at a PJ concert so any and all precautions are pretty justified.

best

ndv180

mc escher wrote:

Alot of bands don't allow "hard" or blunt objects because there are so many people packed into an area and if someone gets upset they could throw them or hit someone with them and it could get pretty ugly...(no blankets is a lil confusing but I am sure there is ajustification) The chances of it happening are slim but I think you all would agree crazier and worse things have unfortunatly happened at a PJ concert so any and all precautions are pretty justified.

best

The whole policy feels really Republican to me. I think the band had an obligation to get the word out on this policy before it was implemented. I don't think there was any effort at all to do so until complaints were heard.

MC ESCHER - Are you familiar with Mott The Hoople's first album?

sunless

PearlJamBob wrote:

that sucks, but your comment about naming the band in the lawsuit is ridiculous

ditto that. Some people . . . Would your lawsuit be blaming them for not keeping your eyes open for you?

LongRoad

I posted about the same problem HERE

Looks like the policy was added on 5/27 3 hours AFTER I was told they were not allowed. See it HERE

There still has been no real explanation and I don't really expect to get one.
I'll just sneak them in like I did last time.

Schragermeister

whatever the band's reason is, they said "no binoculars"....enough already. This thread should die....I'm killing it.

bmarsh10

leave your binoculars at home you nerd.

LongRoad

bmarsh10 wrote:

leave your binoculars at home you nerd.

No

ringo_l17

Look, I'm sick and tired of you crazy kids swinging your binoculars about at shows; Doing your freaky binocular dances.

One day, you'll have somebodies' eye out - and it wont be funny then, will it?
Well.... will it?

smartass1235

Veddernarian wrote:

These are my binoculars. The one on top, not the one with the compass:
http://www.steiner-binoculars.com/binoculars/marine/392.html

I am an avid boater. They originally retailed at US $1299 but I got them for $750. They are unbelievable. There are no adjustments. Just put them over your eyes. The little rubber cups fit over your eyes and the field of view is amazing. They pick up light at night. You can see things at night. I took them to Robert Plant at the Greek Theatre. My seats were far back but with these things, it was like watching a DVD. To the guy who commented about not caring whether or not you see, the bootleg program might be a nice cheap alternative to buying concert tickets. For me, and I think I speak for most people, the ability to see the performers is a requirement at a concert. My number is 6 digit beginning with 25. At Irvine, 03, my 10c seats were far back and these Binoculars made a huge difference. I was planning to bring these. I can't sneak them in. I could say I was Johnny "Wadd" Holmes and stick them in my pants but everybody knows he's dead.

This, to me seems very arbitrary. I can't think of a reason for the policy. I am really curious why; what the reasoning is behind it. Maybe then, I'll understand.

I can think of about a thousand things i would do with $750 then buy binoculars.