All Men die UN_equal!!!

fear4freedomfear4freedom Posts: 920
edited July 2013 in A Moving Train
All men are created equal but they dont die equal!

Noone knows the names of the hundreds of black children that have been shot and killed since Trayvon Martin! In Chicago there were 70 shootings and 12 deaths, and children dying, and noone cares! What about the other hispanic that killed the black man in Aaron Hernandez? No traction there? Mostly what about all the people who have gotten killed since Martin? No traction for any other black people there? No traction for justice in those cases? Putting so much emphasis on one case, leads to lack of it in others. What about all the other black on black crime that needs to be addressed? Where is the compassion for those victims families? Why isnt Al Sharpton speaking to the ghettos of Chicago via live feed? Where is the SUMMIT for black on black crime out of compassion? Where is the compassion for the Zimmerman family? They didnt do anything wrong! Where is the empathy for Zimmerman if he is telling the truth?

Who are you to judge? Im outraged at all the attention one case is getting and there seems to be a deep dirty agenda behind it!

When the govt. is in the hot seat for a bunch of scandals......it seems it needs to find a polarizing case to create and latch on to!
Theres no time like the present

A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!

All people need to do more on every level!
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  • MoonpigMoonpig Posts: 659
    All men are created equal but they dont die equal!

    Noone knows the names of the hundreds of black children that have been shot and killed since Trayvon Martin! In Chicago there were 70 shootings and 12 deaths, and children dying, and noone cares! What about the other hispanic that killed the black man in Aaron Hernandez? No traction there? Mostly what about all the people who have gotten killed since Martin? No traction for any other black people there? No traction for justice in those cases? Putting so much emphasis on one case, leads to lack of it in others. What about all the other black on black crime that needs to be addressed? Where is the compassion for those victims families? Why isnt Al Sharpton speaking to the ghettos of Chicago via live feed? Where is the SUMMIT for black on black crime out of compassion? Where is the compassion for the Zimmerman family? They didnt do anything wrong! Where is the empathy for Zimmerman if he is telling the truth?

    Who are you to judge? Im outraged at all the attention one case is getting and there seems to be a deep dirty agenda behind it!

    When the govt. is in the hot seat for a bunch of scandals......it seems it needs to find a polarizing case to latch on to!

    Lol
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,624
    not enough exclamation points!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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  • JBiiJBii Posts: 354
    Yeah what about the white homeless man here in Atlanta who was beat by four underage black guys, beat him bad
    and he crawled into the street and was hit and killed by a car. Thats not going to be tried as a hate crime.
    No cry for racially motivated killing in his case. No marches, no rallies. No outrage.
    No cause the victim is still paying the price for his ancestors. There is no equality for a white homeless man.
    That what you fear the most could meet you halfway
  • fear4freedomfear4freedom Posts: 920
    JBii wrote:
    Yeah what about the white homeless man here in Atlanta who was beat by four underage black guys, beat him bad
    and he crawled into the street and was hit and killed by a car. Thats not going to be tried as a hate crime.
    No cry for racially motivated killing in his case. No marches, no rallies. No outrage.
    No cause the victim is still paying the price for his ancestors. There is no equality for a white homeless man.

    Exactly true! We didnt do anything wrong and we shouldnt have to pay any price! I am about to propose to an African woman who is the love of my life. We are Christian Conservatives and we will do our best to work on race relations which we may never see the results as they are very small. Some say it only takes a few days to tear something down that took a lifetime to build! That will be what Im up against for the rest of my life.

    If black men commit crimes they go highly ignored on purpose! Im very upset with the African American community as they put their blackness ahead of everything else. The good ones fear standing up for whats right if its against the majority of the black culture's interests. They are also not taught properly about the civil rights fights of our nation and how MLK was a Republican and how Republicans proposed and passed the 13th, 14th, and 15th ammendments! It was the Democrats who started the KKK and killed blacks and whites because they were Republicans! You kno 1/3 of lynchings were white people. Yes because they were white Republicans trying to free the black man and the white Democrat KKK killed them too! TRUE TRUTH!

    Its about whats right and true! Not about whats popular and easy!

    Their are mobs of black men bashing through, flash mobbin, whatever and noone ever says anything. The media never reports whats important. Al Sharpton ignores Chicago and the real true violence of the day.

    My compassion is for exposing the truth of black on black violence because it may save more black lives tomorrow than dividing us with an agenda would!

    Where are the latino groups and hispanic orgs. that should be sticking up for Zimmerman? And why the HELL is this a black white racial issue when Zimmerman is latino!
    Theres no time like the present

    A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!

    All people need to do more on every level!
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    We didnt do anything wrong and we shouldnt have to pay any price!

    What? That's your answer to 250 years of slavery in the U.S, followed by another 150 years of segregation and racism?
    If black men commit crimes they go highly ignored on purpose!


    :lol::lol:

    You know 1/3 of lynchings were white people. Yes because they were white Republicans trying to free the black man and the white Democrat KKK killed them too! TRUE TRUTH!

    I guess that makes it o.k then.

    Their are mobs of black men bashing through, flash mobbin, whatever and noone ever says anything.

    What? Do you even know what a flash mob is?
  • fear4freedomfear4freedom Posts: 920
    hey byrnzie when i said WE i meant people who are my age or under 45. What did my generation do to deserve the treatment we get in feeling like we have to walk on eggshells?

    Also, answer the questions in the OP
    Theres no time like the present

    A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!

    All people need to do more on every level!
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,096
    hey byrnzie when i said WE i meant people who are my age or under 45. What did my generation do to deserve the treatment we get in feeling like we have to walk on eggshells?

    Also, answer the questions in the OP

    If you treat all others as equal, then you wouldn't feel like you're walking on eggshells.
  • fear4freedomfear4freedom Posts: 920
    Go Beavers wrote:
    hey byrnzie when i said WE i meant people who are my age or under 45. What did my generation do to deserve the treatment we get in feeling like we have to walk on eggshells?

    Also, answer the questions in the OP

    If you treat all others as equal, then you wouldn't feel like you're walking on eggshells.

    I do and you would think thats true but the media would have our culture believing otherwise! Which is why black people under 45 have a chip on their shoulder.....got it?
    Theres no time like the present

    A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!

    All people need to do more on every level!
  • RW81233RW81233 Posts: 2,393
    I'm glad we are only focusing on men...at least that shows who "matters" right? The OP didn't mention anything about women so I'm glad we don't have to walk around on eggshells around them...just the "blacks under 45".
  • backseatLover12backseatLover12 Posts: 2,312
    What a comical thread. :lol:

    Blatant bigotry runs rampant on A Moving Train. :shock:
  • RW81233RW81233 Posts: 2,393
    Have you seen a crowdshot of a PJ concert? I love the band dearly, so very dearly, but this shouldn't come as a surprise.
  • fear4freedomfear4freedom Posts: 920
    What a comical thread. :lol:

    Blatant bigotry runs rampant on A Moving Train. :shock:

    Do you know the true meaning of bigotry? What is comical about all the OP's questions? Answer them
    What have you done lately to help the black community?
    Theres no time like the present

    A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!

    All people need to do more on every level!
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    What did my generation do to deserve the treatment we get in feeling like we have to walk on eggshells?

    What did your generation do regarding it's treatment of ethnic minorities? Well, not much to be proud of.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistics ... ican_males
    A black male born in 1991 has a 29% chance of spending time in prison at some point in his life.
    Nearly one in three African American males aged 20–29 are under some form of criminal justice supervision whether imprisoned, jailed, on parole or probation.
    One out of nine African American men will be incarcerated between the ages of 20 and 34.
    Black males ages 30 to 34 have the highest incarceration rate of any race/ethnicity.

    (According to America Community Survey.)

    Prison vs. College

    Several studies, including one by the Justice Policy Institute, which advocates alternatives to incarceration, have concluded that overall, more black males are in prison than are enrolled in colleges and universities. In 2000 there were 791,600 black men in prison and 603,032 enrolled in college versus 1980, when there were 143,000 black men in prison and 463,700 enrolled in college. In 2003, according to Justice Department figures, 193,000 black college-age men were in prison, while 532,000 black college-age men were attending college. On an average day in 1996, more black male high school dropouts aged 20–35 were in custody than in paid employment; by 1999, over one-fifth of black non-college men in their early 30’s had prison records.


    http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/ ... ed-states/
    While people of color make up about 30 percent of the United States’ population, they account for 60 percent of those imprisoned. The prison population grew by 700 percent from 1970 to 2005, a rate that is outpacing crime and population rates. The incarceration rates disproportionately impact men of color: 1 in every 15 African American men and 1 in every 36 Hispanic men are incarcerated in comparison to 1 in every 106 white men.

    According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, one in three black men can expect to go to prison in their lifetime. Individuals of color have a disproportionate number of encounters with law enforcement, indicating that racial profiling continues to be a problem. A report by the Department of Justice found that blacks and Hispanics were approximately three times more likely to be searched during a traffic stop than white motorists. African Americans were twice as likely to be arrested and almost four times as likely to experience the use of force during encounters with the police.

    ...The war on drugs has been waged primarily in communities of color where people of color are more likely to receive higher offenses. According to the Human Rights Watch, people of color are no more likely to use or sell illegal drugs than whites, but they have higher rate of arrests. African Americans comprise 14 percent of regular drug users but are 37 percent of those arrested for drug offenses. From 1980 to 2007 about one in three of the 25.4 million adults arrested for drugs was African American.

    Once convicted, black offenders receive longer sentences compared to white offenders. The U.S. Sentencing Commission stated that in the federal system black offenders receive sentences that are 10 percent longer than white offenders for the same crimes. The Sentencing Project reports that African Americans are 21 percent more likely to receive mandatory-minimum sentences than white defendants and are 20 percent more like to be sentenced to prison.

    Voter laws that prohibit people with felony convictions to vote disproportionately impact men of color. An estimated 5.3 million Americans are denied the right to vote based on a past felony conviction. Felony disenfranchisement is exaggerated by racial disparities in the criminal-justice system, ultimately denying 13 percent of African American men the right to vote. Felony-disenfranchisement policies have led to 11 states denying the right to vote to more than 10 percent of their African American population.
  • RW81233RW81233 Posts: 2,393
    facts have no place in this thread Byrnzie
  • backseatLover12backseatLover12 Posts: 2,312
    What a comical thread. :lol:

    Blatant bigotry runs rampant on A Moving Train. :shock:

    Do you know the true meaning of bigotry? What is comical about all the OP's questions? Answer them
    What have you done lately to help the black community?

    Sorry, I don't feed trolls.
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    RW81233 wrote:
    facts have no place in this thread Byrnzie

    True. They do look slightly out of place nestled within so much bigoted gibberish.
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,096
    Go Beavers wrote:

    If you treat all others as equal, then you wouldn't feel like you're walking on eggshells.

    I do and you would think thats true but the media would have our culture believing otherwise! Which is why black people under 45 have a chip on their shoulder.....got it?

    Got it? I'm trying to clarify what you're saying, but it's not very clear. You walk on egg shells because of what the media says? Black people 'with a chip on their shoulder' makes you walk on egg shells?
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    you had me until you started blaming all this on obama wagging the dog ...

    in any case - america does have a race problem ... i've said it for some time ... the more people want to bury it or believe it doesn't exist - the worse it will get ... but beyond that - america has a class problem ... as the prosperity gap widens and widens ... this is going to get even worse ... and ultimately create the biggest havoc ...
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,447
    polaris_x wrote:
    you had me until you started blaming all this on obama wagging the dog ...

    in any case - america does have a race problem ... i've said it for some time ... the more people want to bury it or believe it doesn't exist - the worse it will get ... but beyond that - america has a class problem ... as the prosperity gap widens and widens ... this is going to get even worse ... and ultimately create the biggest havoc ...

    Everywhere has a race problem, well, anywhere where multiple races live. And the sooner we stop destroying people like Paula Dean and stifling the discussion, the better off we will all be. And race doesn't always play a part.
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  • JBiiJBii Posts: 354
    You're a racist if you are white, if you are black you are a victim. Why shouldn't the kids here be tried
    as racists that they are? Beating a white man for the fun of it til he tries to crawl away and dies in the street
    by a car. Try the crime for what it is. A hate crime. All races should rally for this man
    and look at the problem at hand. Racists hate period whatever color they are.
    That what you fear the most could meet you halfway
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    To address the term "hate crimes" - aren't most of them just that, race or religion or fill in the blank aside?

    Why isn't rape called a hate crime?

    All of these atrocities are hateful and offensive.
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,447
    hedonist wrote:
    To address the term "hate crimes" - aren't most of them just that, race or religion or fill in the blank aside?

    Why isn't rape called a hate crime?

    All of these atrocities are hateful and offensive.

    I tried, but couldnt find the like button.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Everywhere has a race problem, well, anywhere where multiple races live. And the sooner we stop destroying people like Paula Dean and stifling the discussion, the better off we will all be. And race doesn't always play a part.

    you're definitely right ... in that everywhere has race problems ...

    but we're never likely to agree on this ... race doesn't always play a part but often it does ... and people want to believe otherwise ... the people rallying around trayvon martin aren't rallying because of 1 incident ... it's starting to boil over ...
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    hedonist wrote:
    Why isn't rape called a hate crime?

    All of these atrocities are hateful and offensive.

    how is rape a hate crime? ...
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    polaris_x wrote:
    hedonist wrote:
    Why isn't rape called a hate crime?

    All of these atrocities are hateful and offensive.

    how is rape a hate crime? ...
    polaris...I may not always agree with you but typically respect the thoughts you post.

    How you could ask that question up there floors me. Not just as a woman but as a human being.

    A man is killed because he's black, or gay, or Muslim.

    (again, fill in the blank)

    Deemed a hate crime.

    Woman is sodomized with a coke bottle, with a broomstick, with fists, because she's a woman.

    NOT deemed a hate crime?

    They're both venomous.
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    hedonist wrote:
    polaris...I may not always agree with you but typically respect the thoughts you post.

    How you could ask that question up there floors me. Not just as a woman but as a human being.

    A man is killed because he's black, or gay, or Muslim.

    (again, fill in the blank)

    Deemed a hate crime.

    Woman is sodomized with a coke bottle, with a broomstick, with fists, because she's a woman.

    NOT deemed a hate crime?

    They're both venomous.

    i'm sorry i don't live up to your expectations ...

    in any case ... if you believe that the cause of rape is simply hate - then sure ... i can understand your belief but my understanding of the causes of rape are that there are a multitude of reasons ... some of which are related to inadequacies felt by the perpetrator as well as the power angle ... neither of these causes would i classify as hate or based on an overriding hatred of women ...
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    polaris_x wrote:
    i'm sorry i don't live up to your expectations ...

    in any case ... if you believe that the cause of rape is simply hate - then sure ... i can understand your belief but my understanding of the causes of rape are that there are a multitude of reasons ... some of which are related to inadequacies felt by the perpetrator as well as the power angle ... neither of these causes would i classify as hate or based on an overriding hatred of women ...
    No need to apologize - and for the record, despite my being surprised at how pissed off I was at the comment, I was trying to be respectful toward you, not condescend...and certainly not full of expectations of you.

    (sheesh!)

    And no, I'm not so naive or blind to believe that THE cause of rape is "hate" - my point was that sometimes it IS a factor, and sometimes not. Just as in crimes against anyone that would be labeled as such or not.

    Let's not be so quick to deem one worthy of hate and not another, simply by virtue of who is attacked.
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    hedonist wrote:
    No need to apologize - and for the record, despite my being surprised at how pissed off I was at the comment, I was trying to be respectful toward you, not condescend...and certainly not full of expectations of you.

    (sheesh!)

    And no, I'm not so naive or blind to believe that THE cause of rape is "hate" - my point was that sometimes it IS a factor, and sometimes not. Just as in crimes against anyone that would be labeled as such or not.

    Let's not be so quick to deem one worthy of hate and not another, simply by virtue of who is attacked.

    i'm just simply responding to you believing all crimes are hate ... i don't see it as such ... hence why they classify certain crimes as hate and some not ...
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,447
    polaris_x wrote:
    Everywhere has a race problem, well, anywhere where multiple races live. And the sooner we stop destroying people like Paula Dean and stifling the discussion, the better off we will all be. And race doesn't always play a part.

    you're definitely right ... in that everywhere has race problems ...

    but we're never likely to agree on this ... race doesn't always play a part but often it does ... and people want to believe otherwise ... the people rallying around trayvon martin aren't rallying because of 1 incident ... it's starting to boil over ...

    I often wonder how much of it is race and how much generational/dress/culture/whatever you want to call it though.

    I mean, does someone look and see simply black or white? Or do they see a kid in jeans and a polo differently than a kid in torn up jeans, tattoos, piercings, drugs, etc regardless of race?

    It is certainly stereotyping/profiling, etc regardless, but it would be interesting to know the truth.

    Not talking specifically about Trayvon here, just in general.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,624
    All I can say is I'm glad I'm doing a show other than Pittsburgh.
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