help! shows where they were critical of Clinton

2-feign-reluctance

thanks all! i think my buddy sees what i knew to be true. you guys and gals rock!

kh65

We know that Hil doesn't suck. If she did Billy boy wouldn't have gotten into trouble with his gf, Monica. Can you say? "The Clinton's are corrupt."

Derrick

In Toronto (Barrie) ON in 1998, he changes the lines from habit to "Speaking as a child of ...." and says something about blowing up the buildings in Africa or something. I will check then post back here.

UPDATE: here is the line..I cut and pasted from fivehorizons.com concert chronology along with a link to a sound clip:

During 'Habit,' Ed changes the "speaking as" line to "speaking as a dumb-ass, beer-drinking, propaganda-believing, missile-shooting, American." http://www.fivehorizons.com/tour/cc/sounds/98/5h_hab_ont.mp3

nukeboot

kh65 wrote:

Not true. This is something spung by the left. If you check into it both Mussolini and Hitler are closer to the left.

The meanings of these labels have changed over time. Liberal doesn't mean what it used to either.

Goldberg can play all the word games he wants, but as we sit hear today fascism is more closely associated with militaristic, totalitarian states as a direct result of Nazism.

Labels don't matter. Actions do.

It isn't the "liberals" who are holding people in overseas prisons, torturing them and denying them due process.

nukeboot

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kh65

nukeboot wrote:

The meanings of these labels have changed over time. Liberal doesn't mean what it used to either.

Goldberg can play all the word games he wants, but as we sit hear today fascism is more closely associated with militaristic, totalitarian states as a direct result of Nazism.

Labels don't matter. Actions do.

It isn't the "liberals" who are holding people in overseas prisons, torturing them and denying them due process.

Really... what about the Chinese and Cuba to name just two. The 400 page book isn't word games either. It is a very in depth study of the whole movement and it hasn't been discredited, either.

nukeboot

kh65 wrote:

Really... what about the Chinese and Cuba to name just two. The 400 page book isn't word games either. It is a very in depth study of the whole movement and it hasn't been discredited, either.

Thank you for making my point.

Liberal Americans have little in common with the communist leadership of either country. Be careful where you go with this. A closer comparison could be drawn with our conservative Republican president.

And if you think liberals have any interest in creating a state similar to what you see in China or Cuba your hatred for your fellow countrymen is just sad.

Cosmo

kh65 wrote:

Ain't that the truth. Maybe with his actions in this current election cycle people on the Left will stop making excuses for him (ha ha). I know how stupid that sounds after I wrote it.

You can love the band but not agree with their politics. We all can't be Right about everything.

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I don't know... I don't think I'd have such a great time at a concert where the band sings songs and says stuff about me being such an asshole.
And I chose them because they believe in a lot of the things I believe in (not all of them, but most of them). Which is why I tend to stray from modern Country (i.e. Toby Keith types).