good news

Godfather.

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

But that doesn't really answer the question. You're saying be prepared with guns for something. I'm not sure that's a good enough answer to offset 11,000 gun homicides per annum.

Is it the home invasion? These are very rare and... in the event of one... a shotgun would suffice. You don't need a glock. Or an AR-15. Why not take these types of guns out of the equation?

Why not take these types of guns out of the equation ?.... "My right as a responsible American" to buy and own them.


Godfather.

So you are prepared for 11,000 gun homicides each year to preserve your right to own these toys? I say toys because we have concluded that a shotgun would suffice as an effective tool in the event of an extremely rare home invasion; therefore, rendering handguns and assault rifles play things.

No other scenario- such as an invading army coming up the street- was presented to describe the 'need' for such weaponry.

Can you realistically call yourself a 'responsible' American when you choose to ignore the gross statistics that point to an epidemic gun problem that has spiralled out of control? From my way of thinking... I call such an attitude irresponsible.

it's a people problem not a gun problem more people die from drugs ans booze but your opinion is yours and we will just have to agree to disagree.

Godfather.

pjl44

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

So I might have a better understanding of where you might be coming from: what exactly are you scared of and what is it that you might need to defend yourself from?

Better question: What is the motivation to confront a peer who is doing something completely legal and suggest that they have to explain themselves to you?

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Godfather. wrote:

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

So you are prepared for 11,000 gun homicides each year to preserve your right to own these toys? I say toys because we have concluded that a shotgun would suffice as an effective tool in the event of an extremely rare home invasion; therefore, rendering handguns and assault rifles play things.

No other scenario- such as an invading army coming up the street- was presented to describe the 'need' for such weaponry.

Can you realistically call yourself a 'responsible' American when you choose to ignore the gross statistics that point to an epidemic gun problem that has spiralled out of control? From my way of thinking... I call such an attitude irresponsible.

it's a people problem not a gun problem more people die from drugs ans booze but your opinion is yours and we will just have to agree to disagree.

Godfather.

I'm not going to disagree that ultimately... it is a people problem. But that problem will never go away: since the beginning of man... there have always been humans incapable of co-existing with others. Given this... I say let's plan for that and limit the types of weapons they can access.

It is a sacrifice... I know. But the alternative- do nothing- is too costly in my estimation.

I can agree to disagree... but I wanted to speak to your point and clarify (or expand) my position in light of what you said. We are not completely different.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

pjl44 wrote:

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

So I might have a better understanding of where you might be coming from: what exactly are you scared of and what is it that you might need to defend yourself from?

Better question: What is the motivation to confront a peer who is doing something completely legal and suggest that they have to explain themselves to you?

The hope for a safer world for the kid in your avatar.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

aerial wrote:

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

So you are prepared for 11,000 gun homicides each year to preserve your right to own these toys? I say toys because we have concluded that a shotgun would suffice as an effective tool in the event of an extremely rare home invasion; therefore, rendering handguns and assault rifles play things.

No other scenario- such as an invading army coming up the street- was presented to describe the 'need' for such weaponry.

Can you realistically call yourself a 'responsible' American when you choose to ignore the gross statistics that point to an epidemic gun problem that has spiralled out of control? From my way of thinking... I call such an attitude irresponsible.

Personally I do not want to ruin my home with the mess a shotgun would make, when one bullet could do the job and make less mess...

This is one of the most horrible things I have read on the MT. Brutal, man... just brutal.

pjl44

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

pjl44 wrote:

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

So I might have a better understanding of where you might be coming from: what exactly are you scared of and what is it that you might need to defend yourself from?

Better question: What is the motivation to confront a peer who is doing something completely legal and suggest that they have to explain themselves to you?

The hope for a safer world for the kid in your avatar.

Asking people condescending questions isn't contributing to making the world safer.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

pjl44 wrote:

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

pjl44 wrote:

Better question: What is the motivation to confront a peer who is doing something completely legal and suggest that they have to explain themselves to you?

The hope for a safer world for the kid in your avatar.

Asking people condescending questions isn't contributing to making the world safer.

Changing prevalent and entrenched attitudes might be though.

The questions I asked were legitimate- you perceived them as condescending. Note how they were separated from the portion of the post that could be viewed as confrontational, as well as the preface where I asked for clarification to enhance my perspective.

Speaking of condescending questions though... have a look at your first response to my post though. You come across just a little smug yourself.

Moonpig

unsung wrote:

July 9 is the final day for the court ordered carry, if nothing is signed by our Commie governor we fall into that. I just bought a Glock 30SF yesterday for the special occasion. Of course this governor will do everything he can to defy the courts.

Ha, that old chestnut. Bet you a tenner your governor is not a commie.

Godfather.

I was in Arizona a few years back and noticed a few people with guns on their side and my first thought was is that legal ? being from California all my life and learning that you can carry in Az. was great.

Godfather.

goingtoverona

yeah I remember being outside of phoenix in one of the sun city retirement communities, we were at olive garden waiting outside to be called and this cat with a wife beater, jean shorts and an ugly ass curly mullet strolled up with a glock on his side. everyone was looking at each other with a curious but cautious gaze. guy came back out with a bag of food and left, but I remember thinking that I would never carry my pistol like that around in public. in my opinion, it makes you a huge target for any criminal that might be looking to commit a crime. you could either be perceived as a threat and possibly taken out, or maybe they just want a weapon upgrade. no thanks, carry conceal or don't carry at all is my philosophy.

Godfather. wrote:

I was in Arizona a few years back and noticed a few people with guns on their side and my first thought was is that legal ? being from California all my life and learning that you can carry in Az. was great.

Godfather.