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unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
edited December 2013 in A Moving Train
Just heard reports that he has passed.
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  • Guitar92playerGuitar92player Posts: 664
    I have seen no such reports
    ~Carter~

    You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
    or you can come to terms and realize
    you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
    makes much more sense to live in the present tense     - Present Tense
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    i can't find that story either...

    i hope it is not true...
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    i can't find that story either...

    i hope it is not true...
    Me neither, on both points.

    But, it seems like it's looming...been looming.

    Nice to read today that - assuming it's accurate - he opened his eyes and smiled.

    Must've been sweet for him and his loved ones.
  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    Looks like it was a false report, the website deleted the story.
  • Guitar92playerGuitar92player Posts: 664
    He was put on life support today:

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-575 ... e-support/
    ~Carter~

    You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
    or you can come to terms and realize
    you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
    makes much more sense to live in the present tense     - Present Tense
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,958
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    i can't find that story either...

    i hope it is not true...
    I was actually hoping it was true. The man is suffering, and I hope he is out of his misery soon instead of it drawing out longer. :( He, of all people, deserves a dignified death.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,840
    At almost midnight on the east coast in the US, I am about to go to sleep knowing full well that I will wake up to Nelson Mandela being dead. I truly hope the world understands what this man meant to our planet and he gets the respect he deserves. In my 30 years, I can think of no one else who deserves the respect he does.

    Thank you, for standing up to what's right. Thank you for showing courage in the face of a massive majority and thank you for showing this cold world what dignity and respect means.

    This is literally the first person aside from my old man that I will shed a tear for. Thank you. America can certainly take a lesson from your courage.
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,051
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    At almost midnight on the east coast in the US, I am about to go to sleep knowing full well that I will wake up to Nelson Mandela being dead. I truly hope the world understands what this man meant to our planet and he gets the respect he deserves. In my 30 years, I can think of no one else who deserves the respect he does.

    Thank you, for standing up to what's right. Thank you for showing courage in the face of a massive majority and thank you for showing this cold world what dignity and respect means.

    This is literally the first person aside from my old man that I will shed a tear for. Thank you. America can certainly take a lesson from your courage.

    Those are heavy thoughts, well worth reflecting on and well said, Cliffy. Very moving. Thank you.
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
    Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.













  • lcusicklcusick Posts: 310
    brianlux wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    At almost midnight on the east coast in the US, I am about to go to sleep knowing full well that I will wake up to Nelson Mandela being dead. I truly hope the world understands what this man meant to our planet and he gets the respect he deserves. In my 30 years, I can think of no one else who deserves the respect he does.

    Thank you, for standing up to what's right. Thank you for showing courage in the face of a massive majority and thank you for showing this cold world what dignity and respect means.

    This is literally the first person aside from my old man that I will shed a tear for. Thank you. America can certainly take a lesson from your courage.

    Those are heavy thoughts, well worth reflecting on and well said, Cliffy. Very moving. Thank you.

    I agree- an amazing man!!!
  • redrockredrock Posts: 18,341
    Thank you Cliffy...

    A truly great man. He changed the world. I can't really think of anyone who had such an impact.

    May he slip away peacefully and with dignity.
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    Out of the night that covers me,
    Black as the Pit from pole to pole,
    I thank whatever gods may be
    For my unconquerable soul.

    In the fell clutch of circumstance
    I have not winced nor cried aloud.
    Under the bludgeonings of chance
    My head is bloody, but unbowed.

    Beyond this place of wrath and tears
    Looms but the Horror of the shade,
    And yet the menace of the years
    Finds, and shall find, me unafraid.

    It matters not how strait the gate,
    How charged with punishments the scroll.
    I am the master of my fate:
    I am the captain of my soul.
    hear my name
    take a good look
    this could be the day
    hold my hand
    lie beside me
    i just need to say
  • Guitar92playerGuitar92player Posts: 664
    I saw a headline saying he has improved a bit. He is in critical, but stable condition.
    ~Carter~

    You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
    or you can come to terms and realize
    you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
    makes much more sense to live in the present tense     - Present Tense
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    Bittersweet:

    Meanwhile, Mandela's eldest daughter said he appeared to be able to hear family members.

    Speaking to SABC radio, Makaziwe Mandela said: "I won't lie, it doesn't look good. But as I say, if we speak to him, he responds and tries to open his eyes. He's still there. He might be waning off, but he's still there."

    By the way, that was a really nice post up there, Cliffy.
  • chadwickchadwick Posts: 21,157
    brianlux wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    At almost midnight on the east coast in the US, I am about to go to sleep knowing full well that I will wake up to Nelson Mandela being dead. I truly hope the world understands what this man meant to our planet and he gets the respect he deserves. In my 30 years, I can think of no one else who deserves the respect he does.

    Thank you, for standing up to what's right. Thank you for showing courage in the face of a massive majority and thank you for showing this cold world what dignity and respect means.

    This is literally the first person aside from my old man that I will shed a tear for. Thank you. America can certainly take a lesson from your courage.

    Those are heavy thoughts, well worth reflecting on and well said, Cliffy. Very moving. Thank you.
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,051
    Lots of rumors going around but it appears he is still on life support. The rumors are disheartening- next thing you know the cheesy tabloids on the super market check out isles will have head lines like "Mandela Abducted by Aliens- Family Feuding Over Who Gets to Keep his Sox". :?

    A more likely-too-be-truthful report is this:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/0 ... 47441.html
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
    Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.













  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    I don't really profess to know the history of him but when he was arrested wasn't he stockpiling over 200,000 grenades and land mines?

    I have been told he was asked to renounce violence but refused to do so.
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    unsung wrote:
    I don't really profess to know the history of him but when he was arrested wasn't he stockpiling over 200,000 grenades and land mines?

    I have been told he was asked to renounce violence but refused to do so.


    who told you that?
    hear my name
    take a good look
    this could be the day
    hold my hand
    lie beside me
    i just need to say
  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    Well it's in the Rivonia trial transcripts...

    Also

    "The extent to which the National High Command plotted their policy of sabotage...can be gauged from their ‘production requirements’— a program which they planned to complete in six months. These requirements, as the documents prove, included 144 tons of ammonium nitrate, 21.6 tons of aluminium powder, and 15 tons of black powder. Without taking into account the explosives and detonators which the members of the sabotage squads throughout the country were enjoined by their leaders to steal from explosives magazines and various mines, the experts will say that the aforementioned ‘production requirements’ constituted sufficient to blow up a town as extensive as Johannesburg...."

    Mandela states, " I do not, however, deny that I planned sabotage. I did not plan it in a spirit of recklessness, nor because I have any love of violence. I planned it as a result of a calm and sober assessment of the political situation that had arisen after many years of tyranny, exploitation, and oppression of my people by the Whites."
  • guypjfreakguypjfreak Posts: 2,281
    soz didnt catch this thread but here my bit
    just seen on the news that hes been brain dead for 10 days and that the family are arguing over his body .
    his brother [ i hope ive got that right ] seems to want to start a Mandela theme park.....
    kids bodys are being dug up.....
    2 sisters have one brand of Mandela clothing while ....
    some aunts have started anther line of clothes ...
    theres even a wine you can buy.....


    the mans a legend that HAS changed the world WHY WHY WHY cant he be given the peace he never really got when he was well and alive ..

    the world and some people are vaulters ..

    just my thoughts

    cheers
  • Boxes&BooksBoxes&Books Posts: 2,672
    Very well said, Cliff
  • Black DiamondBlack Diamond Posts: 25,107
    RIP
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,958
    edited December 2013
    So sad. One of the truly great human beings. I'm sad he suffered for so long, so in a way am happy for him that he is no longer suffering, but damn, sad day. Lost one of the most positively influential people of our time today. :(
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • jasonbouchard88jasonbouchard88 Posts: 369
    Rest in peace Nelson Mandela. Sad to hear this. I knew he was in poor health for months, so it doesn't surprise me that much, but still, big loss.
  • guypjfreakguypjfreak Posts: 2,281
    RIP old son
  • StinkfootStinkfoot Posts: 546
    "For to be free is not merely to cast off one's chains, but to live in a way that respects and enhances the freedom of others."

    RIP Mr Mandela
    "I get into a state of consciousness that I can't explain. It is about feeling and not thinking. I get positive chills and insight into things that I can't get to any other way. It is Healing of the Soul." - Mike McCready
  • dimitrispearljamdimitrispearljam Posts: 139,720
    RIP
    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    95 years is a damn good run. Granted some of those were in the clinker, but still it is as much time as any of us should hope for.
  • Guitar92playerGuitar92player Posts: 664
    RIP
    ~Carter~

    You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
    or you can come to terms and realize
    you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
    makes much more sense to live in the present tense     - Present Tense
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    Jason P wrote:
    95 years is a damn good run. Granted some of those were in the clinker, but still it is as much time as any of us should hope for.

    I'm with you.

    This should be more of a celebration of his life and what he gave the world.

    Special man.
  • ToHellURideToHellURide Posts: 145
    I've spent just under 2 months in RSA in the past couple years. Thoughts are with my new friends there. My wife and I made the trip to Robben Island last September. Remembering his cell it's hard to imagine anyone spending 17 years in it and even coming out human, compared to the guiding light that cam out that was Madiba! RIP
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