Edward Snowden & The N.S.A Revelations

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  • Idris
    Idris Posts: 2,317
    Obama speech at 11am ET, gonna talk NSA spying changes.
  • breakmarysfall
    breakmarysfall Posts: 368
    edited January 2014
    Idris said:

    Obama speech at 11am ET, gonna talk NSA spying changes.


    So, I listened to Obamas speak, as far as it was broadcast in German television.
    I have to admit that there is still a discussion about the revealing of Edward Snowden, here...

    Europe or Germany would like to have an ANTI – SPY agreement that would guarantee that the US would not spy on our Government anymore or further listen to Merkel’s mobile phone.
    So I am a bit confused about Obama’s words: He did not go into a discussion about such an agreement, not clearly...
    when he announced that the Congress should get the responsibility and work on a solution for saving all the collected data somewhere separated of the NSA insights and let it be there, then what does it mean? Where should the data be put, who is in charge to keep all the data off the public and the agencies, and which new role has the Congress?
    So these shortcuts I heard in the news yesterday and I wonder: did I get them right???…

    …but I would like to sum up my comment with a conclusion the Spiegel did a few month ago when it was revealed that almost all important politicians in the German and European parlament were spied on:
    If the US secret service and the president know where Merkel & Co. want to get with their strategy, if they know what is the bigger goal in all the talking and discussion, the US can manipulate the situation and guarantee with acceptance of some little compromises their final solution or goal achievement.
    So by knowing just a bit more, knowing strategies and goals you can manipulate the counterpart directly but hidden and finally rule the world secretly.

    I mean we know that the US might somehow rule the world but the revealing of Edward make it really obvious with which meanings the US keeps this status…
    Post edited by breakmarysfall on
    there is no way to peace, peace is the way!
    ...the world is come undone, I like to change it everyday but change don't come at once, it's a wave, building before it breaks.
  • breakmarysfall
    breakmarysfall Posts: 368
    edited January 2014
    .... one last info I would like to pass on regarding this subject:
    since the speech of Obama the subject NSA is headlined again in the news here in Germany, however, there is just not one word about Edward Snowden mentioned. His name is not spoken out and there is hardly no reference done about him ... and that makes me really sad because it is in the open what will happen to him after the Russian visum has run out, happening already in June...

    anyway, thought I share this last conclusion of the subject, because from Sunday on I will be GONE for 2 weeks ...
    Post edited by breakmarysfall on
    there is no way to peace, peace is the way!
    ...the world is come undone, I like to change it everyday but change don't come at once, it's a wave, building before it breaks.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Government hypocrisy on trial. This could become very interesting indeed.


    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/19/republicans-consequences-james-clapper-testimony

    Republicans demand consequences for 'willful lie' by intelligence chief

    • Seven congressmen take issue with James Clapper's testimony

    • Obama administration unlikely to turn against director


    Spencer Ackerman in New York
    theguardian.com, Thursday 19 December 2013


    Seven Republican members of Congress called on attorney general Eric Holder on Thursday to open an investigation into the leader of the US intelligence community.

    In a letter issued the day after a White House surveillance review placed new political pressure on the National Security Agency, the seven members of the House judiciary committee said that James Clapper, the director of national intelligence, ought to face consequences for untruthfully telling the Senate that the NSA was “not wittingly” collecting data on Americans.

    “Congressional oversight depends on truthful testimony – witnesses cannot be allowed to lie to Congress,” wrote representatives James Sensenbrenner, Darrell Issa, Trent Franks, Raul Labrador, Ted Poe, Trey Gowdy and Blake Farenthold, citing “Director Clapper’s willful lie under oath.”

    During testimony in March that has become infamous, Clapper told Senator Ron Wyden, a member of the intelligence committee, that the NSA was not intercepting data on millions of Americans.

    After the revelations from whistleblower Edward Snowden, Clapper eventually apologized to the Senate panel, citing a momentary memory failure – although he initially said he gave the “least untruthful” answer he could publicly provide.

    The Justice Department has shown no appetite for investigating Clapper, who, as director of national intelligence, is an institutional partner with the attorney general for internally overseeing NSA surveillance. The White House has consistently defended Clapper against calls for his job...
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/25907502



    NSA 'engaged in industrial espionage' - Snowden


    US intelligence leaker Edward Snowden has alleged the National Security Agency engaged in industrial espionage.

    In an interview with Germany's ARD TV channel, the former NSA contractor said the agency would spy on big German companies that competed with US firms.

    Mr Snowden, who was granted temporary asylum by Russia, also said he believed that US officials wanted to kill him.

    His leaks caused outrage in Germany when it came to light Chancellor Angela Merkel's phone had been bugged.

    After the row broke out last year, Mrs Merkel accused the US of an unacceptable breach of trust.

    Last week President Barack Obama indicated to Germany's ZDF TV that US bugging of Mrs Merkel's mobile phone had been a mistake and would not happen again.

    Mr Snowden's new allegation about industrial spying may make it harder to rebuild trans-Atlantic trust, the BBC's Stephen Evans reports from Berlin.

    Referring to the German engineering company Siemens, Mr Snowden told ARD: "If there is information at Siemens that they [the NSA] think would be beneficial to the national interests, not the national security, of the United States, they will go after that information and they'll take it."

    He also said he believed US agents want to kill him, referring to an article published by the Buzzfeed website http://www.buzzfeed.com/bennyjohnson/americas-spies-want-edward-snowden-dead in which intelligence operatives are quoted as saying they want to see him dead.

    In August Russia granted Mr Snowden asylum for one year, after he leaked details of US electronic surveillance programmes.

    The US has charged Mr Snowden with theft of government property, unauthorised communication of national defence information and wilful communication of classified communications intelligence.

    Each of the charges carries a maximum 10-year prison sentence. Earlier this week he said he has "no chance" of a fair trial in the US and has no plans to return there.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    edited January 2014
    What lovely people you've got running the country...

    http://www.buzzfeed.com/bennyjohnson/americas-spies-want-edward-snowden-dead

    America’s Spies Want Edward Snowden Dead

    “I would love to put a bullet in his head,” one Pentagon official told BuzzFeed. The NSA leaker is enemy No. 1 among those inside the intelligence world.
    January 16, 2014



    Edward Snowden has made some dangerous enemies. As the American intelligence community struggles to contain the public damage done by the former National Security Agency contractor’s revelations of mass domestic spying, intelligence operators have continued to seethe in very personal terms against the 30-year-old whistle-blower.

    “In a world where I would not be restricted from killing an American, I personally would go and kill him myself,” a current NSA analyst told BuzzFeed. “A lot of people share this sentiment.”

    “I would love to put a bullet in his head,” one Pentagon official, a former special forces officer, said bluntly. “I do not take pleasure in taking another human beings life, having to do it in uniform, but he is single-handedly the greatest traitor in American history.”

    That violent hostility lies just beneath the surface of the domestic debate over NSA spying is still ongoing. Some members of Congress have hailed Snowden as a whistle-blower, the New York Times has called for clemency, and pundits regularly defend his actions on Sunday talk shows. In intelligence community circles, Snowden is considered a nothing short of a traitor in wartime.

    “His name is cursed every day over here,” a defense contractor told BuzzFeed, speaking from an overseas intelligence collections base. “Most everyone I talk to says he needs to be tried and hung, forget the trial and just hang him.”

    One Army intelligence officer even offered BuzzFeed a chillingly detailed fantasy.

    “I think if we had the chance, we would end it very quickly,” he said. “Just casually walking on the streets of Moscow, coming back from buying his groceries. Going back to his flat and he is casually poked by a passerby. He thinks nothing of it at the time starts to feel a little woozy and thinks it’s a parasite from the local water. He goes home very innocently and next thing you know he dies in the shower.”

    There is no indication that the United States has sought to take vengeance on Snowden, who is living in an undisclosed location in Russia without visible security measures, according to a recent Washington Post interview. And the intelligence operators who spoke to BuzzFeed on the condition of anonymity did not say they expected anyone to act on their desire for revenge. But their mood is widespread, people who regularly work with the intelligence community said.

    “These guys are emoting how pissed they are,” Peter Singer, a cyber-security expert at the Brookings Institute. “Do you think people at the NSA would put a statue of him out front?”

    The degree to which Snowden’s revelations have damaged intelligence operations are also being debated. Shawn Turner, a spokesman for the director of national intelligence, recently called the leaks “unnecessarily and extremely damaging to the United States and the intelligence community’s national security efforts,” and the ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, Dutch Ruppersberger said terrorists have been “changing their methods because of the leaks.” Snowden’s defenders dismiss those concerns as overblown, and the government has not pointed to specific incidents to bear out the claims.

    On the ground, intelligence workers certainly say the damage has been done. The NSA officer complained that his sources had become “useless.” The Army intelligence officer said the revelations had increased his “blindness.”

    “I do my work in a combat zone so now I have to see the effects of a Snowden in a combat zone. It will not be pretty,” he said.

    And while government officials have a long record of overstating the damage from leaks, some specific consequences seem logical.

    “By [Snowden] showing who our collections partners were, the terrorists have dropped those carriers and email addresses,” the DOD official said. “We can’t find them because he released that data. Their electronic signature is gone.”
  • Idris
    Idris Posts: 2,317
    Footage released of Guardian editors destroying Snowden hard drives


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    theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jan/31/footage-released-guardian-editors-snowden-hard-drives-gchq?CMP=twt_gu
  • helplessdancer
    helplessdancer Posts: 5,293
    I consider Ed a Hero
    his NXSW speech said to use this browser when web surfing...and I believe
    https://www.torproject.org/about/overview.html.en
  • weddingparade
    weddingparade Posts: 1,179
    2014 on TED TV
    http://www.ted.com/talks/edward_snowden_here_s_how_we_take_back_the_internet
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/18/-sp-edward-snowden-interview-rusbridger-macaskill

    I, spy: Edward Snowden in exile

    He doesn’t drink, he’s reading Dostoevsky and, no, he doesn’t wear a disguise. A year after blowing the whistle on the NSA, America’s most wanted talks frankly about his life as a hero-pariah – and why the world remains ‘more dangerous than Orwell imagined’.

    ......
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    greatest interweb thread in interweb thread posting history
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Why, thank you Sir! :D
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 45,227
    sure would be great if this "patriot" stood for his actions in the same way that Chelsea Manning did.
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  • Byrnzie
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    edited July 2014
    What? By going to jail for thirty years? He's already stood for his actions by being trapped in a country that he had no intention of going to, and by relinquishing his freedom.
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    mickeyrat said:

    sure would be great if this "patriot" stood for his actions in the same way that Chelsea Manning did.

    explain?
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 45,227
    Byrnzie said:

    What? By going to jail for thirty years? He's already stood for his actions by being trapped in a country that he had no intention of going to, and by relinquishing his freedom.

    Hes run from the very rule of law he was defending.
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    mickeyrat said:


    Hes run from the very rule of law he was defending.

    He's run from a government that persecutes whistleblowers.
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    rule of law...chicken or egg
    does snowden have run from the rule of law if laws werent broken in the first place.
    (im still waiting 12 years now for those sleeper cell terrorists to slit my throat rape my wife shoot my son and hang my dog in the dark of night, maybe their still sleeping)
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    Russia, China crack Edward Snowden files, U.K. pulls out spies

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/russia-china-crack-edward-snowden-files-u-k-pulls-out-spies-1.3112907

  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,613
    dignin said:

    Russia, China crack Edward Snowden files, U.K. pulls out spies

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/russia-china-crack-edward-snowden-files-u-k-pulls-out-spies-1.3112907

    Personally I believe this but it is one of those things we'll never know for sure. The intelligence community will always insist he did irreparable damage while Greenwald and others will always argue he did not.

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