Classic bands of the last ten years or so......

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DewieCox

63schoefflin wrote:

Almost all of those are '90s bands though, ha.

Well, that and only 2 of those are really "classic bands". Not saying that they haven't put out some respectable music, but only Tool and RHCP have the combined success and influence to qualify for what we're talking about. Weezer is the next and then probably SOAD. Most of the rest have pretty much been forgotten by people outside of their fans.

Tim Simmons

Daft Punk is classic at this point. Their acclaim and influence is at an all time high.

GTHobbes

Edward Sharpe and the Magnetic Zeros. Surprised there isn't more talk about them.

lukin2006

musicismylife78 wrote:

I just think when someone talks like Lukin or the OP they come off sounding ignorant or like old grumpy men

Music is subjective ... that does not make me ignorant, just because I enjoy music from the 60's and 70's. And you're starting to sound like a salesman trying sell me on music I have no interest in.

brianlux

Can we define what is meant by "Classic bands"?

facepollution

brianlux wrote:

Can we define what is meant by "Classic bands"?

Well I know what I mean by the term 'classic', but I'd be interested to know what other people think?

For me I'd say it's a combination of things, not just obvious things like sales. I mean, Nickelback have sold a boat load of records but I think even the most ardent fan would be hard pushed to create a case for them being a classic band.

brianlux

facepollution wrote:

brianlux wrote:

Can we define what is meant by "Classic bands"?

Well I know what I mean by the term 'classic', but I'd be interested to know what other people think?

For me I'd say it's a combination of things, not just obvious things like sales. I mean, Nickelback have sold a boat load of records but I think even the most ardent fan would be hard pushed to create a case for them being a classic band.

I agree- sales number alone do not count in the long run. My definition would be a band that has withstood the test of time- at least a couple of decades- The Stones, Beatles, The Doors, The Ramones, Pearl Jam, etc. If that definition were to be accepted, then any band from the last ten years could only be considered "a potential classic". But either way- and I could be proven wrong- I'm still not convinced there have been any bands from the last ten years that will be considered "classic".

facepollution

brianlux wrote:

I agree- sales number alone do not count in the long run. My definition would be a band that has withstood the test of time- at least a couple of decades- The Stones, Beatles, The Doors, The Ramones, Pearl Jam, etc. If that definition were to be accepted, then any band from the last ten years could only be considered "a potential classic". But either way- and I could be proven wrong- I'm still not convinced there have been any bands from the last ten years that will be considered "classic".

Whilst I get what you mean, I think sometimes you just know - a record can have that much impact that a band kind of writes themselves into musical history. I think Radiohead's OK Computer would be an example of that. I remember when it came out EVERYBODY sat up and listened, it just seemed so out there (little did we know what would come later!), yet so well made.

63schoefflin

Classic doesn't mean you have to like them. To say there aren't are or going to be any classic bands from this era is pretty ludacris.

DewieCox

63schoefflin wrote:

Classic doesn't mean you have to like them. To say there aren't are or going to be any classic bands from this era is pretty ludacris.

I guess it depends on how you divide eras. It seems like there has been other time frames that have come and gone without producing obviously legendary artists, but a few have probably always pushed through. I think at the very least the 2000s have produced the fewest classic artists than at any other time. I think it's telling that we're talking about a 13 or 14 year period and we only have a handful, at most, of artist that are really entering the discussion.

musicismylife78

So lets get down to it. I think their hasnt been many classic "rock" bands the last decade because there are so many genres and subgenres right now, and classic stuff being made doesnt necessarily easily fit into one category. I think what the 2000's showed is ALOT of interesting stuff is happening, and not all of it is in rock.

Who will we be talking about in 20 years?

Bon Iver-2 classic albums, a musical genius.

Sufjan Stevens-a songwriter thats embarassingly talented, relentlessly creative and not afraid to take risks. He can craft lyrics that will break your heart.

Radiohead-KId A, Amnesiac, HTTT, In Rainbows, TKOL. Every other band in the 2000's is left embarrassed and mouths agape.

The Strokes-possibly the modern era's first indie rock band, prefigured the "brooklyn" and "ny" gold rush that occured later on in the decade. Made converse cool again

Beck-had his 2nd wind, released the landmark Sea Change, his finest hour

The xx-two classic albums, influenced Radiohead, James Blake, dubstep

Sigur Ros-landmark () album. Took rock music to gorgeous new heights

Outkast-Entire catalogue is essentially a most important hip hop albums list. Crafted possibly the greatest pop song of the decade, other than Since U Been Gone, with Hey Ya

Death Cab-Postal Service-Ben Gibbard-one of our best lyricists, one of the reasons indie went mainstream.

Arcade Fire-3 classic albums and a live show that blows every other bands live show out of the water.

Lots of songwriters-Tallest Man on earth, Conor Oberst, Sam Beam,

Damien Rice-the epitome of excellence in singer songwriter genre in the 2000's.

NME's endless list of new bands-Franz Ferdinand, The Killers, Pete Doherty,

Kanye West-anyone who doubts his legacy is off their rocker. 6 classic albums. Produced The Blueprint. Every one of his albums is a stone cold classic. Icon. Legend.

Broken Social Scene-prefigured AF's success, You Forgot it In People remains a legendary album. 12 member group where every single person is essential.
Modest Mouse

The Shins

musicismylife78

DewieCox wrote:

63schoefflin wrote:

Classic doesn't mean you have to like them. To say there aren't are or going to be any classic bands from this era is pretty ludacris.

I guess it depends on how you divide eras. It seems like there has been other time frames that have come and gone without producing obviously legendary artists, but a few have probably always pushed through. I think at the very least the 2000s have produced the fewest classic artists than at any other time. I think it's telling that we're talking about a 13 or 14 year period and we only have a handful, at most, of artist that are really entering the discussion.

I couldnt disagree more. Just Google Best albums of the 2000's. Check out some of the lists.

musicismylife78

One of the more interesting and important movements in music in the last decade is the streamlining and increasing sophistication and quality of r and b. The Weeknd, and Frank Ocean only came to the fore in the last 2 years. But both have completely changed and altered r and b. The Weeknd put out 3 free mixtapes in a single year, all classics, and Frank Ocean put out a mixtape in 2011 then a full length. If im not mistaken all 5 of the albums by these artists were free downloads. Whats shocking is the hype and craziness when each album was posted online, was absolutely nuts. A good case could have been made for The Weeknd putting out 3 flawless albums in one year and HOB being album of the year in 2011, and I think its fair to say alot of people felt Channel Orange was album of the year last year.

I could see Frank Ocean and the Weeknd having long careers.

Yet another example of important and interesting music being made, but not rock.

WWS

Band of Horses
My Morning Jacket
Fleet Foxes
Mumford and Sons
The Gaslight Anthem
The Lumineers
Queens of the Stone age
City and Color

63schoefflin

musicismylife78 wrote:

One of the more interesting and important movements in music in the last decade is the streamlining and increasing sophistication and quality of r and b. The Weeknd, and Frank Ocean only came to the fore in the last 2 years. But both have completely changed and altered r and b. The Weeknd put out 3 free mixtapes in a single year, all classics, and Frank Ocean put out a mixtape in 2011 then a full length. If im not mistaken all 5 of the albums by these artists were free downloads. Whats shocking is the hype and craziness when each album was posted online, was absolutely nuts. A good case could have been made for The Weeknd putting out 3 flawless albums in one year and HOB being album of the year in 2011, and I think its fair to say alot of people felt Channel Orange was album of the year last year.

I could see Frank Ocean and the Weeknd having long careers.

Yet another example of important and interesting music being made, but not rock.

Frank Ocean needs some serious serious help with his live act. If he can do that then he will be fine.

facepollution

musicismylife78 wrote:

So lets get down to it. I think their hasnt been many classic "rock" bands the last decade because there are so many genres and subgenres right now, and classic stuff being made doesnt necessarily easily fit into one category. I think what the 2000's showed is ALOT of interesting stuff is happening, and not all of it is in rock.

Who will we be talking about in 20 years?

Bon Iver-2 classic albums, a musical genius.

Sufjan Stevens-a songwriter thats embarassingly talented, relentlessly creative and not afraid to take risks. He can craft lyrics that will break your heart.

Radiohead-KId A, Amnesiac, HTTT, In Rainbows, TKOL. Every other band in the 2000's is left embarrassed and mouths agape.

The Strokes-possibly the modern era's first indie rock band, prefigured the "brooklyn" and "ny" gold rush that occured later on in the decade. Made converse cool again

Beck-had his 2nd wind, released the landmark Sea Change, his finest hour

The xx-two classic albums, influenced Radiohead, James Blake, dubstep

Sigur Ros-landmark () album. Took rock music to gorgeous new heights

Outkast-Entire catalogue is essentially a most important hip hop albums list. Crafted possibly the greatest pop song of the decade, other than Since U Been Gone, with Hey Ya

Death Cab-Postal Service-Ben Gibbard-one of our best lyricists, one of the reasons indie went mainstream.

Arcade Fire-3 classic albums and a live show that blows every other bands live show out of the water.

Lots of songwriters-Tallest Man on earth, Conor Oberst, Sam Beam,

Damien Rice-the epitome of excellence in singer songwriter genre in the 2000's.

NME's endless list of new bands-Franz Ferdinand, The Killers, Pete Doherty,

Kanye West-anyone who doubts his legacy is off their rocker. 6 classic albums. Produced The Blueprint. Every one of his albums is a stone cold classic. Icon. Legend.

Broken Social Scene-prefigured AF's success, You Forgot it In People remains a legendary album. 12 member group where every single person is essential.
Modest Mouse

The Shins

I'm not knocking anyone on your list, but a lot of them are more cult-following kind of acts than genuinely massive acts. Obviously some of them are big, but even a band like Arcade Fire are kind of on the outskirts despite their critical hype.

I'm thinking that perhaps I'm not articulating my point as well as I would like to since you keep repeating the same argument (which I do understand). I'm talking about mainstream music. In every era prior to this one there were a number of rock bands who broke into the mainstream, had mass appeal AND put out classic, enduring records. This just doesn't seem to have happened in the last decade or so, or not to the same degree. I just read this list of the biggest selling rock hits in the UK of the 21st century, brace yourself.....

1 Sex On Fire - Kings Of Leon (2008) 1,100,000
2 Use Somebody - Kings Of Leon (2008) 825,000
3 Killing In The Name - Rage Against The Machine (2009) 705,000
4 Teenage Dirtbag - Wheatus (2001) 695,000
5 Rockstar - Nickelback (2005) 635,000
6 How You Remind Me - Nickelback (2002) 560,000
7 Changes - Kelly and Ozzy Osbourne (2003) 490,000
8 Bad Touch - Bloodhouse Gang (2000) 460,000
9 Bring Me To Life - Evanescence (2003) 455,000
10 All Summer Long - Kid Rock (2008) 415,000
11 Christmas Time (Don’t Let The Bells End) - The Darkness (2003) 405,000
12 It’s My Life - Bon Jovi (2000) 365,000
13 Rollin’ - Limp Bizkit (2001) 355,000
14 Smooth Criminal - Alien Ant Farm (2001) 345,000
15 Follow Me - Uncle Kracker (2001) 335,000
16 All The Small Things - Blink 182 (2000) 330,000
17 Welcome To The Black Parade - My Chemical Romance (2006) 325,000
18 Fire - Kasabian (2009) 320,000
19 Dakota - Stereophonics (2005) 315,000
20 Butterfly - Crazytown (2001) 310,000

brianlux

Some of the bands listed in several of the posts above deserve merit and have done great work but if you ask the average person on the street what they think of them or know about them most people will say, "Who is that?" But if you ask the same people who the Beatles or Stones or Pearl Jam are they will at least say, "Oh yeah, I've heard of them".

63schoefflin

So is that the barometer we are using then? That list is pretty funny since those are mostly from my 6th-9th grade years... The glory days haha. Without doing any research I would imagine the poppy bands back in the '70 and '80s outsold the great rock bands? Maybe someone would have more info on that as I'm curious to see how that era went with sales.

But I think today and going forward you are more likely to see, ball parking here, twice the amount of great bands with sixty to seventy percent of the following as compared to back in the day. There are only X amount of people and those dollars/time/ and interest are more and more spread out.

And that reminds me... Teenage Dirtbag was one of the first 2 or 3 songs I ever downloaded on Napster. That and SR-71 - Right Now. How about that for a throwback :geek:

facepollution

63schoefflin wrote:

So is that the barometer we are using then? That list is pretty funny since those are mostly from my 6th-9th grade years... The glory days haha. Without doing any research I would imagine the poppy bands back in the '70 and '80s outsold the great rock bands? Maybe someone would have more info on that as I'm curious to see how that era went with sales.

There just seems to be a lack of rock bands appealing to the mainstream and I really can't get my head around it.

In terms of sales in other decades a quick search turned up:

70's: Elton John, Rolling Stones, Pink Floyd, Abba, Led Zeppelin
80's: Prince, Madonna, U2, Michael Jackson, Bruce Springsteen