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Classic bands of the last ten years or so......

facepollutionfacepollution Posts: 6,834
edited June 2013 in Other Music
Looking to stir up a bit of debate, who do you think in the last ten years or so has really stood out, and who will stand the test of time? Is it just their music that stands out, or the way they have marketed themselves etc?

Spending as much time as I do on music forums and websites, there seem to be two main camps on the debate of modern music. Those who think the quality dropped off a cliff in the early 2000's and those who think you just have to look harder for it. Just to clairfy, I'm specifically talking about new 'mainstream' music, not older bands who continue to make music now, nor obscure singer songwriter kind of stuff.
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  • goldrushgoldrush everybody knows this is nowhere Posts: 7,546
    If by "last ten years or so" I can stretch it to 2000 then the first 2 that spring to mind for me would be Ryan Adams and Jack White. Ryan's output, and the quality of it, has been phenomenal since he went solo. Jack pretty much speaks for himself - the music, the different side projects, and the really cool stuff that Third Man Records does... I think both of these guys' work will stand the test of time.

    Personally, I'd also include Joseph Arthur and The Black Keys. I know that Joseph's first record was released in 1997 but, like Ryan, his work since 2000 has been fantastic and he just keeps getting better.
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    The Black Keys
    The Strokes
    The Decemberists
    The National
    Arcade Fire
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  • PJFAN13PJFAN13 Posts: 1,422
    Jack White
    Mumford & Sons
    The Black Keys
    Alabama Shakes
    Rival Sons

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  • facepollutionfacepollution Posts: 6,834
    Some interesting choices so far. Not that I'm knocking any of the bands listed, but I'm just wondering if anyone has any opinions as to why some of them have not crossed over to big-scale mainstream success? Is it because the mainstream audience are less accepting, or that perhaps their music is a little more niche?
  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,884
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,070
    I can't think of any new band from the last ten years that will hold up as true classic bands.
    Minor Classics? Maybe a few.
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  • Of The AggieOf The Aggie The ATX Posts: 1,531
    If you have to look harder for good music then that would seem to prove the theory that the quality has dropped off a lot since 2000, which I do believe. I can't think of any band I would consider a classic of the last 13 years.
  • Tim SimmonsTim Simmons Posts: 8,079
    edited June 2013
    Coldplay
    Arcade Fire
    LCD Soundsystem
    Kanye West
    Beyonce
    Jack White
    Animal Collective
    Sigur Ros

    This is a combination of some huge stadium level acts that blew up past 2000 or at least some critically acclaimed bands that made an unbelievable catalog.

    While not post 2000 bands, I'd stick Wilco and the Flaming Lips in there because their popularity exploded after some acclaimed albums that came after 2000, essentially making them really well known and very popular.
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  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    None ... bands today are a fucking joke ...so many bands 3 -4 -5 years between albums ... seriously thats all you got.
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  • Tim SimmonsTim Simmons Posts: 8,079
    I think there are a few factors at play as to why there is a divide between the plenty of good artists/bands post 2000 and the no good bands past 2000. Most of it stems from the changes in the music industry but mainly from the internet. In the 50s through 70s, radio was the main influence in peoples tastes, in the 80s and 90s it was MTV and some radio. After Napster both those mediums became irrelevant, especially with iPods and YouTube dominating peoples attention. Couple that with increase in popularity in other entertainment mediums (Video games, DVDs, Satellite and Cable TV), the way we are exposed to music has limited and forces us to seek it out. Now the internet is fantastic for finding new tunes and artists, but everyone is on a level playing field to so need to work hard to find something you enjoy.

    I can see some people not wanting to be bothered and become content with just enjoying what they have and waiting for reissues of their favorite stuff. Others are willing to always seek out new stuff. I think its close minded to say there is nothing good out there right now. Clearly there is. There are huge acts that people rush out to see and there are plenty of buzz bands that pop up all the time that make new music or explore old sounds in innovative ways. Just because its not in your wheelhouse doesn't mean there isn't a viable scene going on right now.

    I'm probably on the medium side of the age spectrum here (35), but I find as much great new music now as I did when I became exposed to tunes in the late 80s/early 90s. Personally, I never wanted to become the guy who says "Music was better when.." And god help me if I ever rank a reissue in my favorite albums of the year.
  • musicismylife78musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
    these posts always make me laugh. I assume most of us on the board came of age during the grunge heyday. And that shows because Other Music is pretty laughable in terms of discussing quality music being made. Grunge changed my life, but honestly, theres so much great music being made in 2013, currently too.
    I spent over a decade waiting for the next grunge band, the next "grunge" revolution. What I failed to understand until later was that the new scene and revolution was already happening.

    Far from moaning about the lack of quality bands, Id say we have the complete opposite. When our parents were growing up, how limited were their options for finding good bands? Yes, they had amazing bands in the 60's and 70's, but your access to bands was limited. If a band wasnt on the radio, you didnt know or hear about them. With the internet we can find out about any band in the world currently recording, so even that black metal band in Estonia we have access to. If anything we have access to WAY MORE BANDS than we could possibly have time to listen to.

    This is the golden age of music. You just have to look. Its all around. Pitchfork. Stereogum. Brooklyn Vegan. Gorilla vs Bear.

    You arent going to find it in the pages of RS or Spin or on tv. You wont turn on the radio and find it.

    Classic albums have been made in the last 10 years. Tons and tons of them. Its just if you are only listening to alt rock radio or reading Spin, you most likely won't know about it.

    I think the indie scene from 2003-2013 has been unrivaled. Its the music scene thats taken over the world. And I find myself completely overwhelmed with the amount of music we get each year.
  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    musicismylife78 wrote:
    these posts always make me laugh. I assume most of us on the board came of age during the grunge heyday. And that shows because Other Music is pretty laughable in terms of discussing quality music being made. Grunge changed my life, but honestly, theres so much great music being made in 2013, currently too.
    I spent over a decade waiting for the next grunge band, the next "grunge" revolution. What I failed to understand until later was that the new scene and revolution was already happening.

    Far from moaning about the lack of quality bands, Id say we have the complete opposite. When our parents were growing up, how limited were their options for finding good bands? Yes, they had amazing bands in the 60's and 70's, but your access to bands was limited. If a band wasnt on the radio, you didnt know or hear about them. With the internet we can find out about any band in the world currently recording, so even that black metal band in Estonia we have access to. If anything we have access to WAY MORE BANDS than we could possibly have time to listen to.

    This is the golden age of music. You just have to look. Its all around. Pitchfork. Stereogum. Brooklyn Vegan. Gorilla vs Bear.

    You arent going to find it in the pages of RS or Spin or on tv. You wont turn on the radio and find it.

    Classic albums have been made in the last 10 years. Tons and tons of them. Its just if you are only listening to alt rock radio or reading Spin, you most likely won't know about it.

    I think the indie scene from 2003-2013 has been unrivaled. Its the music scene thats taken over the world. And I find myself completely overwhelmed with the amount of music we get each year.

    Quantity doesn't equal quality.
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  • musicismylife78musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
    lukin2006 wrote:
    musicismylife78 wrote:
    these posts always make me laugh. I assume most of us on the board came of age during the grunge heyday. And that shows because Other Music is pretty laughable in terms of discussing quality music being made. Grunge changed my life, but honestly, theres so much great music being made in 2013, currently too.
    I spent over a decade waiting for the next grunge band, the next "grunge" revolution. What I failed to understand until later was that the new scene and revolution was already happening.

    Far from moaning about the lack of quality bands, Id say we have the complete opposite. When our parents were growing up, how limited were their options for finding good bands? Yes, they had amazing bands in the 60's and 70's, but your access to bands was limited. If a band wasnt on the radio, you didnt know or hear about them. With the internet we can find out about any band in the world currently recording, so even that black metal band in Estonia we have access to. If anything we have access to WAY MORE BANDS than we could possibly have time to listen to.

    This is the golden age of music. You just have to look. Its all around. Pitchfork. Stereogum. Brooklyn Vegan. Gorilla vs Bear.

    You arent going to find it in the pages of RS or Spin or on tv. You wont turn on the radio and find it.

    Classic albums have been made in the last 10 years. Tons and tons of them. Its just if you are only listening to alt rock radio or reading Spin, you most likely won't know about it.

    I think the indie scene from 2003-2013 has been unrivaled. Its the music scene thats taken over the world. And I find myself completely overwhelmed with the amount of music we get each year.

    Quantity doesn't equal quality.

    But it also doesnt mean theres a dearth of good material out there. Having a ton of stuff to sort through isnt an excuse for not finding amazing bands that are making music right now.

    I think most people, and I was one of them, get stuck in a particular sound and genre, love it, then wait around for new bands to sound like that stuff we originally loved. But thats not a particularly good way to find amazing music.

    Are there a ton of bands who make grunge type music, or fit into the alt rock radio formula making masterpiece level work right now? Probably not. But I can name 15 bands making Italo-disco, hip hop, synthpop, post rock, straight up pop, indie folk, who are making albums we all will be talking about in 15 years.

    The Adele 21 album is one of them. If you are listening to only a certain style of music, you could dismiss it, or not even listen. But its a classic and will be thought of as such. It already is. Probably the defining pop album of the entire 2000's so far. And probably the only artist to actually sell physical cd units anymore.

    Any classic music, classic to us now, completely sounded different than what everyone knew at the time. Elvis, Dylan playing electric, The Beatles, Nirvana, Arcade Fire. They are unique.
  • musicismylife78musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
    And I think thats partly why the reunions of grunge bands right now dont particular interest me. Having never seen Soundgarden or AIC live, i'd certainly love to see them, but I dont think people are claiming they, especially AIC are making compelling music, or as compelling as the early 90's albums.

    In a year with new albums released in the last 8 weeks by The National, Daft Punk, Vampire Weekend, Phoenix, Kanye, Sigur Ros, and Justin Timberlake releasing not one but two this year, Id say we have some extremely compelling music being made right now. A band called Disclosure released an electronic album that's being called the dance album of the year.

    Its a matter of deciding you are open to listening to music you may not like. Its the same with movies. I go see EVERYTHING. I listen to everything, and try out music I may not have heard or liked prior. Usually favorite art comes from outside that circle too. Usually its a live performance of a band you had never heard of prior, you happen to see, and it changes your life.

    The next Nevermind or Ten or Dirt aint gonna sound like that. Just as Nevermind and Dirt sounded nothing like the music prior to that. Its gonna be a synth pop album, or a dubstep album, or a hip hop album. Or a folk album.
  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    Just amazes me that 30-40 years later and most best of list are continually to be heavily filled by artist of the 60's and 70's ... Especially the top 10 ... Coincidence probably not. How come 40 year later Hendrix is still considered the best guitarist? The Beatles the best band, Bonham and Moon best drummers etc. etc.. Watch the Colbert report with McCartney and he offers a few hints at maybe why the Beatles were so good.

    Either way I know what my ears like and it's not most shit being passed off as music...
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  • musicismylife78musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
    lukin2006 wrote:
    Just amazes me that 30-40 years later and most best of list are continually to be heavily filled by artist of the 60's and 70's ... Especially the top 10 ... Coincidence probably not. How come 40 year later Hendrix is still considered the best guitarist? The Beatles the best band, Bonham and Moon best drummers etc. etc.. Watch the Colbert report with McCartney and he offers a few hints at maybe why the Beatles were so good.

    Either way I know what my ears like and it's not most shit being passed off as music...


    Well because those bands and artists are the best of all time. Anyone who thinks any guitarist is better than Hendrix is out of there minds. And who is a more acclaimed and greater songwriter than Sir Paul? Most of those top 10 lists are written by boomers. Most 20 year olds dont own magazines or media outlets. And boomers love to show off and boast. Read a list of best living songwriters. Any list worth its weight in salt will list alot of younger songwriters too.

    Whats funny is there were people like you in the 60's too. Parents, someone like a Don Draper type, who listened to Bob Dylan and heard the beautiful lyrics and music and said "thats awful, he can't sing". There were people who heard the Beatles and said "whats amazing about that?". You seem to miss the point that most people in the 60's werent sitting around thinking "this will be classic music in 40 years. Look at the crowd during Hendrix's Woodstock set. The highpoint of hippie culture and maybe Jimi's defining gig, and a few hundred people are there. Everyone was asleep or had left.

    Are there guitarists who are better than Hendrix or Page, and drummers better than Bonham and songwriters better than Dylan out right now? Hard to say. But there certainly are insanely talented guitarists-frusciante and Omar Rodriguez Lopez comes to mind. And amazing drummers Sam Fogerino and Bryan Devendorf come to mind. And amazing lyricists like Conor Oberst, Damien Rice, Sam Beam come to mind.

    Most interesting of all are the next generation. Ive personally seen some insanely talented young guitarists and musicians. Some of my all time favorite live experiences were seeing teenage bands play.
    Personally, I find great music to be made every year. Theres some classic albums already out this year. Some were released last year too. Whether those albums and artists come to mean as much to us as Sir Paul and Dylan, thats to be seen.
    As far as the whole Hendrix left, I think he was one of a kind. Anyone waiting for someone to be better than him will be waiting a long time.

    Its on the listener though. You can't sit around and moan about the crap music of today, but not make an effort to expose yourself to new music or music that scares you. You dont have to do that, but its limiting.

    Its as I said, if I only go to see movies in the American horror genre made in 2000's, and refuse to expose myself to foreign horror flicks, or romance films or war films, or drama films, then im severely limiting my potential to see a life changing film. If I only go see films that resemble Blair Witch because I liked that so much, and then complain that no films today are as good or as classic as Blair Witch, then im sort of not really doing all I can to find that next amazing film.

    The next Blair witch wont look or sound like Blair Witch.

    Plus, every single living person you mentioned doesnt sound like they did. They have changed their sound endless times. They;ve explored new genres.
  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    musicismylife78 wrote:
    lukin2006 wrote:
    Just amazes me that 30-40 years later and most best of list are continually to be heavily filled by artist of the 60's and 70's ... Especially the top 10 ... Coincidence probably not. How come 40 year later Hendrix is still considered the best guitarist? The Beatles the best band, Bonham and Moon best drummers etc. etc.. Watch the Colbert report with McCartney and he offers a few hints at maybe why the Beatles were so good.

    Either way I know what my ears like and it's not most shit being passed off as music...


    Well because those bands and artists are the best of all time. Anyone who thinks any guitarist is better than Hendrix is out of there minds. And who is a more acclaimed and greater songwriter than Sir Paul? Most of those top 10 lists are written by boomers. Most 20 year olds dont own magazines or media outlets. And boomers love to show off and boast. Read a list of best living songwriters. Any list worth its weight in salt will list alot of younger songwriters too.

    Whats funny is there were people like you in the 60's too. Parents, someone like a Don Draper type, who listened to Bob Dylan and heard the beautiful lyrics and music and said "thats awful, he can't sing". There were people who heard the Beatles and said "whats amazing about that?". You seem to miss the point that most people in the 60's werent sitting around thinking "this will be classic music in 40 years. Look at the crowd during Hendrix's Woodstock set. The highpoint of hippie culture and maybe Jimi's defining gig, and a few hundred people are there. Everyone was asleep or had left.

    Are there guitarists who are better than Hendrix or Page, and drummers better than Bonham and songwriters better than Dylan out right now? Hard to say. But there certainly are insanely talented guitarists-frusciante and Omar Rodriguez Lopez comes to mind. And amazing drummers Sam Fogerino and Bryan Devendorf come to mind. And amazing lyricists like Conor Oberst, Damien Rice, Sam Beam come to mind.

    Most interesting of all are the next generation. Ive personally seen some insanely talented young guitarists and musicians. Some of my all time favorite live experiences were seeing teenage bands play.
    Personally, I find great music to be made every year. Theres some classic albums already out this year. Some were released last year too. Whether those albums and artists come to mean as much to us as Sir Paul and Dylan, thats to be seen.
    As far as the whole Hendrix left, I think he was one of a kind. Anyone waiting for someone to be better than him will be waiting a long time.

    Its on the listener though. You can't sit around and moan about the crap music of today, but not make an effort to expose yourself to new music or music that scares you. You dont have to do that, but its limiting.

    Its as I said, if I only go to see movies in the American horror genre made in 2000's, and refuse to expose myself to foreign horror flicks, or romance films or war films, or drama films, then im severely limiting my potential to see a life changing film. If I only go see films that resemble Blair Witch because I liked that so much, and then complain that no films today are as good or as classic as Blair Witch, then im sort of not really doing all I can to find that next amazing film.

    The next Blair witch wont look or sound like Blair Witch.

    Plus, every single living person you mentioned doesnt sound like they did. They have changed their sound endless times. They;ve explored new genres.

    Oh well! It's all subjective for the most part. But to think Kanye or Timberlake can / will ever stack up against yesterdays musicians :lol::lol::lol:.
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  • 63schoefflin63schoefflin Posts: 2,581
    There's so much great music out there today it's unreal. MMJ, Jack White, and Ryan Adams all amazing songwriters and I've never seen Adams live but if you haven't seen Jack or My Morning Jacket then you are missing out big time.

    FM Radio isn't even close to being the #1 way of discovering good new music. 40 years ago everyone only had access to a handful of bands that they were exposed to while nowadays you can go out and keep looking and looking through tons of shit to come out with a bunch of gems lol. I just wish I had figured this out 5 years ago because I wasted a few years of being oblivious to a bunch of bands.
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  • musicismylife78musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
    Oh well! It's all subjective for the most part. But to think Kanye or Timberlake can / will ever stack up against yesterdays musicians :lol::lol::lol:.[/quote]


    It is subjective. Look at the big beatles thread here. Some people actually said they felt the beatles were not good or were overrated. So even with the greatest band of all time, not everyone agrees.

    As far as Kanye is concerned, prior to going solo, he was producer on one of the biggest hip hop albums of all time Jay-Z's The Blueprint. That album appeared near the top, around 3 or so on most lists of most important albums of the 2000's. Kanye's released 6 albums so far. The 6th one, just the other day. All 5 are reguarded as classics. Most people already consider him one of the greatest mc's and hip hop artists of all time. Go through his albums, every single one is on some best of, or greatest albums list.
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,070
    There is definitely some great music out there but I think the audiences are more limited, many of the bands have more regional appeal. Maybe that's a good thing. But as far as "classic" as in The Rolling Stones, The Beatles, The Doors, Jimi Hendrix, The Who, The Ramones, Nirvana, Pearl Jam... I don't think we've seen anybody that big in the last decade. Even White Stripes goes back to the 90's so I don't count Jack Black- nothing he has done has gone as big as White Stripes (though it's still great stuff.) So I guess it depends on how you define "classic".
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,884
    brianlux wrote:
    I don't count Jack Black- nothing he has done has gone as big as White Stripes (though it's still great stuff.) So I guess it depends on how you define "classic".

    You said Jack Black but meant Jack White....which is interesting because I always felt that Jack Black should be Jack White (because of his good-natured sense of humor) and that Jack White should be Jack Black (because of his "tourtued genius/woe is me" act)
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,070
    Ledbetterman10 wrote:
    brianlux wrote:
    I don't count Jack Black- nothing he has done has gone as big as White Stripes (though it's still great stuff.) So I guess it depends on how you define "classic".

    You said Jack Black but meant Jack White....which is interesting because I always felt that Jack Black should be Jack White (because of his good-natured sense of humor) and that Jack White should be Jack Black (because of his "tourtued genius/woe is me" act)

    Oops! I've done that before. Oh, those monochrome names! :lol:
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  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    musicismylife78 wrote:
    Oh well! It's all subjective for the most part. But to think Kanye or Timberlake can / will ever stack up against yesterdays musicians :lol::lol::lol:.


    It is subjective. Look at the big beatles thread here. Some people actually said they felt the beatles were not good or were overrated. So even with the greatest band of all time, not everyone agrees.

    As far as Kanye is concerned, prior to going solo, he was producer on one of the biggest hip hop albums of all time Jay-Z's The Blueprint. That album appeared near the top, around 3 or so on most lists of most important albums of the 2000's. Kanye's released 6 albums so far. The 6th one, just the other day. All 5 are reguarded as classics. Most people already consider him one of the greatest mc's and hip hop artists of all time. Go through his albums, every single one is on some best of, or greatest albums list.[/quote]

    Who gives a rats ass about statistics ... because if we are going by statistics then I believe Nickelback is close to the top or top of albums sold since 2000, so I guess they are a classic band :lol::lol::lol:.
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  • facepollutionfacepollution Posts: 6,834
    musicismylife78 wrote:
    these posts always make me laugh. I assume most of us on the board came of age during the grunge heyday. And that shows because Other Music is pretty laughable in terms of discussing quality music being made.

    To clarify, my reasoning for starting the thread was just to get some other perspectives on the state of the current music scene, and some ideas on why some artists seem to sell so well, while others don't, despite being critically acclaimed.
    musicismylife78 wrote:
    This is the golden age of music. You just have to look. Its all around. Pitchfork. Stereogum. Brooklyn Vegan. Gorilla vs Bear.

    Pitchfork?! They represent everything I HATE about musical journalism.
    musicismylife78 wrote:
    I think the indie scene from 2003-2013 has been unrivaled. Its the music scene thats taken over the world. And I find myself completely overwhelmed with the amount of music we get each year.

    To each their own. My issue with the indie scene is that it became so heavily style over substance that people seemed to lose any sense of quality control. That's not to say there weren't some stand-out artists, but they are far out-weighed by pretentious posers.

    I see you mentioned Adele's 21 record too, which I think is a great example of what I'm talking about. Did it sell so well just because it's a great record? In which case why do none of the other good records sell so well? Or is its success down to something else? It's not like she came from a talent show like Susan Boyle did.

    In terms of rock music, there just doesn't seem to be a new crop of big selling bands - I'm talking the kind of bands that could headline a festival, for example - and pull it off.
  • 63schoefflin63schoefflin Posts: 2,581
    About the Kanye thing I've given up trying to defend or turn most people on to rap or hip hop since most people just have a hatred for it. And I can't blame them bc 99% of it is unlistenable garbage but you are right... Old school Kanye is fantastic. Same with Jay Z and go listen to old Nas... It's unbelievable. It's a shame that rap has turned into what it is now, whatever the hell that may be lol. Because I sure as hell can't even figure it out.

    But yeah no band will ever have a mass appeal like those old classics because of the exposure. Most 10 year olds now still grow up with the Beatles, Stones, Who, etc. so they really don't have to look hard to find them. I'm 25 and I've seen the kinds of followings a few bands from my generation have and it will be interesting to see what their legacy will be in 20 years or so. It's up to us to do as good a job to turn the young ones on to good music regardless or when it was made :D
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  • Tim SimmonsTim Simmons Posts: 8,079
    facepollution wrote:
    I see you mentioned Adele's 21 record too, which I think is a great example of what I'm talking about. Did it sell so well just because it's a great record? In which case why do none of the other good records sell so well? Or is its success down to something else? It's not like she came from a talent show like Susan Boyle did.

    It sold well because it was a great record that also had huge crossover appeal due to accessibility. There are a dozen great records that come out every year, but its easy to figure out why they don't sell well.
    facepollution wrote:
    In terms of rock music, there just doesn't seem to be a new crop of big selling bands - I'm talking the kind of bands that could headline a festival, for example - and pull it off.

    Well rock has been dead for several years and it doesn't really seem to be coming back. Or at least the form of it has morphed. Indie rock seems to be its current incarnation. Sure there are outliers (Strokes, KoL, whatever), but the publics interest is not in rock music like 1992, or 1974). And if poeple are using those as the benchmarks and the parameters, then of course there are no classic bands today.


    I very much think a Kanye west can be regarded as classic in 20-30 years because what he is doing now is so significant. Justin Timberlake, eh, hes great, but he needs some more LPs under his belt. he has the hits for sure, but ABBA also has hits (not knocking ABBA, but they are primarily a singles band as opposed to an albums band, unless you are one of those Steve Hoffman Forum weirdos).
  • Tim SimmonsTim Simmons Posts: 8,079
    The other thing to remember is how novel bands like Pink Floyd, The Beatles, the Stones and Zeppelin were in the 60s and 70s. It was groundbreaking at the time. like REM was groundbreaking in the 80s Like Nirvana was groundbreaking in the 90s. But rock music is 50 years old now, and it can only go so far. Some artists push its boundaries a little and get recognized for it (Radiohead), but they won't be able to achieve what those bands in the 60s and 70s did, because basically it had been done before.

    I guess what it comes down to are the metrics you are setting for "classic" is it sales, size of tours, hits groundbreaking in the genre, critically acclaimed, influential in their time, influential to future generations.

    Someone who holds these bands as the standard and what they achieved as the metrics for classic, well, then thats an impossible bar to clear because a band today cannot clear that (And if we are being honest here, Pearl Jam wouldn't clear that hurdle because what they did was basically a rehash of 70s rock except they were so popular they spawned imitators thus elevating them to a classic status). But I most certainly believe there have been some classic artists in the past decade, but the only real way to tell is in another 10-15 years when new bands list them as idols.
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