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  • Are you all trying to tell me that the environmentalist have not tried to politicize their position? /:)
    Seems a little odd to me considering the left wing official opposition in Canada is stuck between the environmentalists and the unions who back them. It started as an every-man party for the working man supported by the powerful unions of industry which has now morphed into an environmentalist-first ideology, throwing the working man under the bus.
    For instance, environmentalists in British Columbia are protesting the creation of a hydroelectric dam in Northern BC which will provide enough electricity for 450,000 homes!!! They are now protesting "CLEAN" energy!! These Birkenstock wearing pot smoking granolas won't be happy until we are all loving in a wigwam under candlelight heated by pipes into the earth.
    It's enough to drive a person mad, everyone wants the benefit of modern society but will,stand in the way of anything which provides it.
    The left is being overrun with "cause people". People who rail against anything which may affect something else. The big complaint against the dam is apparently dragonflies. Really? I mean they eat a lot of Mosquitos which is good if you live in the north because they are HUGE up there, but we need electricity!
    The same lunatics who will not allow a pipeline through to the west coast from the oilsands, all driven by fear and politics. Which is the same thing people say the right does when terrorists strike, take away your freedoms through fear and scare tactics. I am not right or left, I am a realist.
    It amazes me that I can accept your point of view, I said I'd rather refine the oil ourselves, but anyone outside of Mr Lux has refused to acknowledge I may have a fair point.
    Canadians are fiscally conservative, socially liberal with a sprinkling of libertarianism for spice, in a general sense. As a Pearl Jam nut, I appreciate the band's social conscience, however people who work in the oil industry buy their albums, travel to their shows, purchase 10 Club items.
    It seems to me there is a lot of hypocrisy in the entertainment industry, and Neil Young's tirades over the oilsands were particularly disconcerting, as we have always been proud of "uncle Neil", but he hasn't lived in Canada for a LONG time, and visiting the oilsands and then publicly lambasting them was resented by a lot of people.
    How does he fly up here and take a limo from the airport and then complain about oil? Boggles the mind.
  • Are you all trying to tell me that the environmentalist have not tried to politicize their position? /:)
    Seems a little odd to me considering the left wing official opposition in Canada is stuck between the environmentalists and the unions who back them. It started as an every-man party for the working man supported by the powerful unions of industry which has now morphed into an environmentalist-first ideology, throwing the working man under the bus.
    For instance, environmentalists in British Columbia are protesting the creation of a hydroelectric dam in Northern BC which will provide enough electricity for 450,000 homes!!! They are now protesting "CLEAN" energy!! These Birkenstock wearing pot smoking granolas won't be happy until we are all loving in a wigwam under candlelight heated by pipes into the earth.
    It's enough to drive a person mad, everyone wants the benefit of modern society but will,stand in the way of anything which provides it.
    The left is being overrun with "cause people". People who rail against anything which may affect something else. The big complaint against the dam is apparently dragonflies. Really? I mean they eat a lot of Mosquitos which is good if you live in the north because they are HUGE up there, but we need electricity!
    The same lunatics who will not allow a pipeline through to the west coast from the oilsands, all driven by fear and politics. Which is the same thing people say the right does when terrorists strike, take away your freedoms through fear and scare tactics. I am not right or left, I am a realist.
    It amazes me that I can accept your point of view, I said I'd rather refine the oil ourselves, but anyone outside of Mr Lux has refused to acknowledge I may have a fair point.
    Canadians are fiscally conservative, socially liberal with a sprinkling of libertarianism for spice, in a general sense. As a Pearl Jam nut, I appreciate the band's social conscience, however people who work in the oil industry buy their albums, travel to their shows, purchase 10 Club items.
    It seems to me there is a lot of hypocrisy in the entertainment industry, and Neil Young's tirades over the oilsands were particularly disconcerting, as we have always been proud of "uncle Neil", but he hasn't lived in Canada for a LONG time, and visiting the oilsands and then publicly lambasting them was resented by a lot of people.
    How does he fly up here and take a limo from the airport and then complain about oil? Boggles the mind.

    That was a very long post. I am not reading it.
    Could you just give it in bullet form please.
  • Don't read it, closed minded people never do.
  • backseatLover12backseatLover12 Posts: 2,312
    edited January 2015
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIalfcEmAuQ

    Let's just reject science. That's what those for the pipeline are saying.
    Post edited by backseatLover12 on
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,042
    Are you all trying to tell me that the environmentalist have not tried to politicize their position? /:)
    Seems a little odd to me considering the left wing official opposition in Canada is stuck between the environmentalists and the unions who back them. It started as an every-man party for the working man supported by the powerful unions of industry which has now morphed into an environmentalist-first ideology, throwing the working man under the bus.
    For instance, environmentalists in British Columbia are protesting the creation of a hydroelectric dam in Northern BC which will provide enough electricity for 450,000 homes!!! They are now protesting "CLEAN" energy!! These Birkenstock wearing pot smoking granolas won't be happy until we are all loving in a wigwam under candlelight heated by pipes into the earth.
    It's enough to drive a person mad, everyone wants the benefit of modern society but will,stand in the way of anything which provides it.
    The left is being overrun with "cause people". People who rail against anything which may affect something else. The big complaint against the dam is apparently dragonflies. Really? I mean they eat a lot of Mosquitos which is good if you live in the north because they are HUGE up there, but we need electricity!
    The same lunatics who will not allow a pipeline through to the west coast from the oilsands, all driven by fear and politics. Which is the same thing people say the right does when terrorists strike, take away your freedoms through fear and scare tactics. I am not right or left, I am a realist.
    It amazes me that I can accept your point of view, I said I'd rather refine the oil ourselves, but anyone outside of Mr Lux has refused to acknowledge I may have a fair point.
    Canadians are fiscally conservative, socially liberal with a sprinkling of libertarianism for spice, in a general sense. As a Pearl Jam nut, I appreciate the band's social conscience, however people who work in the oil industry buy their albums, travel to their shows, purchase 10 Club items.
    It seems to me there is a lot of hypocrisy in the entertainment industry, and Neil Young's tirades over the oilsands were particularly disconcerting, as we have always been proud of "uncle Neil", but he hasn't lived in Canada for a LONG time, and visiting the oilsands and then publicly lambasting them was resented by a lot of people.
    How does he fly up here and take a limo from the airport and then complain about oil? Boggles the mind.

    That was a very long post. I am not reading it.
    Could you just give it in bullet form please.

    I'll give a shot at summarizing:

    --Environmentalists, backed by greedy, powerful union thugs, are nothing but a bunch of idealist, lunatic, hypocritical, Birkenstock wearing, pot smoking, granola eating, commie freaks who live in wigwams, read by candle light and want nothing more than to they throw civilization back into the dark ages while they see to it that hard working blue collar employees crushed under large transport vehicles.

    --Mr. Lux is close minded and refuses to accept the viewpoint of others.

    --Canadians are sane and sensible people

    --Neil Young and others so-called environmentalists like him in the entertainment industry are hypocrites because their music is made into plastic records.

    Is that about right, 1 Thought?
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
    Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.













  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,042
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIalfcEmAuQ

    Let's just reject science. That's what those for the pipeline are saying.

    This is why it strikes me as absolutely insane that there is so much support for this pipeline and still, to this day, so much denial regarding anthropogenic global warming. The vast majority of well-qualified scientist have been telling and warning us for years about the consequences of our short sighted actions.

    1 Thought, you accuse me of not accepting the viewpoint of others. I fully accept the viewpoint of those many, many scientists who are qualified to speak intelligently about this issue. I'm not talking about Uncle Neil or Ed or or Stone or Prince Charles or Mr. Gore (though I do appreciate their efforts to spread the word), I'm talking about the vast majority of highly qualified, very intelligent scientists who are telling us we are going to destroy ours' and most large mammals' chances for survival in the not to distant future.
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
    Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.













  • I actually said "anyone outside of Mr. Lux has refused to acknowledge I may have a fair point" which was crediting you for having been willing to engage in intelligent dialogue and be willing to hear the other side of the story.
    However, it appears I have given you too much credit, as your synopsis of my post was sarcastic and without merit.
    Obviously I have upset your little Sierra Club here, but even scientists do not always make perfect sense. Sure they rail against oil but where are the practical solutions?
    Anyways you misconstrued (purposefully I would imagine) what I said, and your reactionary posts did nothing to dissuade my opinion. I stand behind what I have said, and there are people around the world who feel the way I do, make changes, but we can't topple the apple cart. The world will survive, look at nature returning to Chernobyl, it's crazy. Nature will always win, we will only destroy ourselves.
  • I actually said "anyone outside of Mr. Lux has refused to acknowledge I may have a fair point" which was crediting you for having been willing to engage in intelligent dialogue and be willing to hear the other side of the story.
    However, it appears I have given you too much credit, as your synopsis of my post was sarcastic and without merit.
    Obviously I have upset your little Sierra Club here, but even scientists do not always make perfect sense. Sure they rail against oil but where are the practical solutions?
    Anyways you misconstrued (purposefully I would imagine) what I said, and your reactionary posts did nothing to dissuade my opinion. I stand behind what I have said, and there are people around the world who feel the way I do, make changes, but we can't topple the apple cart. The world will survive, look at nature returning to Chernobyl, it's crazy. Nature will always win, we will only destroy ourselves.

    point form please
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,042
    I actually said "anyone outside of Mr. Lux has refused to acknowledge I may have a fair point" which was crediting you for having been willing to engage in intelligent dialogue and be willing to hear the other side of the story.
    However, it appears I have given you too much credit, as your synopsis of my post was sarcastic and without merit.
    Obviously I have upset your little Sierra Club here, but even scientists do not always make perfect sense. Sure they rail against oil but where are the practical solutions?
    Anyways you misconstrued (purposefully I would imagine) what I said, and your reactionary posts did nothing to dissuade my opinion. I stand behind what I have said, and there are people around the world who feel the way I do, make changes, but we can't topple the apple cart. The world will survive, look at nature returning to Chernobyl, it's crazy. Nature will always win, we will only destroy ourselves.

    My most humble apology, I read too quickly.

    To be honest, 1T, I gave up my membership in the Sierra Club several years ago and have done the same with Greenpeace with. We are too close to the edge to give into ineffectual actions and bogged down by top-heavy organizational bureaucracy (which is why Captain Paul Watson left Greenpeace in the first place. Check him out. The dude's heavy!).

    I'm far more focused on the work of Sea Shepherds, Wildlands Network, 350.org, Natural Resources Defense Council and a few others who are more action oriented.

    As for scientists making sense- there are too many of them saying the same thing for them to all be wrong.

    Yes, of course the world will survive without us but was there ever any doubt about that? Nature bats last as they say. No doubt about it.
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
    Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.













  • brianlux wrote: »
    I actually said "anyone outside of Mr. Lux has refused to acknowledge I may have a fair point" which was crediting you for having been willing to engage in intelligent dialogue and be willing to hear the other side of the story.
    However, it appears I have given you too much credit, as your synopsis of my post was sarcastic and without merit.
    Obviously I have upset your little Sierra Club here, but even scientists do not always make perfect sense. Sure they rail against oil but where are the practical solutions?
    Anyways you misconstrued (purposefully I would imagine) what I said, and your reactionary posts did nothing to dissuade my opinion. I stand behind what I have said, and there are people around the world who feel the way I do, make changes, but we can't topple the apple cart. The world will survive, look at nature returning to Chernobyl, it's crazy. Nature will always win, we will only destroy ourselves.

    My most humble apology, I read too quickly.

    To be honest, 1T, I gave up my membership in the Sierra Club several years ago and have done the same with Greenpeace with. We are too close to the edge to give into ineffectual actions and bogged down by top-heavy organizational bureaucracy (which is why Captain Paul Watson left Greenpeace in the first place. Check him out. The dude's heavy!).

    I'm far more focused on the work of Sea Shepherds, Wildlands Network, 350.org, Natural Resources Defense Council and a few others who are more action oriented.

    As for scientists making sense- there are too many of them saying the same thing for them to all be wrong.

    Yes, of course the world will survive without us but was there ever any doubt about that? Nature bats last as they say. No doubt about it.

    now that is good point form
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    Why are some wordy posts lauded and others dismissed due to length? Kind of unfair to mock time taken to share thoughts and opinions.

    It's a shame that tangent took away from a thread that I (at least?) was following and actually enjoying absorbing the various perspectives.
  • I do not bastardized the English language by writing in "point form".

    Cheers Brian, for all the work you do. I am a Health. Safety & Environmental Consultant by trade. I believe it is Important to have people like yourselves keep industry in line. I have seen how far mining has come in their environmental consciousness, I have seen the electrical industry create solutions to prevent birds from being killed in substations. I have been a part pipeline organizations creating Project Planning with a heavy portion of it, I mean heavy, being environmental responsibility.
    So I work for industry, and I am telling you they are trying, even pulp and paper mills have improved. It is amazing to see how much of their profits go back into making things better.
    However, when people rail against clean energy solutions over dragonflies, my patience runs thin, as is happening in British Columbia.
    It is one world, and if we are working hard here to make things better, one has to ask are they in Saudi Arabia? Iraq? China?
    What about the developing world? Do we keep them in the dark ages, like telling a child "do as I say not as I do?"

    It is all complicated, and there are many ways to look at these issues. I think industry (including oil) and the environment movement are closer than ever, and I've seen it first hand.
  • I do not bastardized the English language by writing in "point form".

    Cheers Brian, for all the work you do. I am a Health. Safety & Environmental Consultant by trade. I believe it is Important to have people like yourselves keep industry in line. I have seen how far mining has come in their environmental consciousness, I have seen the electrical industry create solutions to prevent birds from being killed in substations. I have been a part pipeline organizations creating Project Planning with a heavy portion of it, I mean heavy, being environmental responsibility.
    So I work for industry, and I am telling you they are trying, even pulp and paper mills have improved. It is amazing to see how much of their profits go back into making things better.
    However, when people rail against clean energy solutions over dragonflies, my patience runs thin, as is happening in British Columbia.
    It is one world, and if we are working hard here to make things better, one has to ask are they in Saudi Arabia? Iraq? China?
    What about the developing world? Do we keep them in the dark ages, like telling a child "do as I say not as I do?"

    It is all complicated, and there are many ways to look at these issues. I think industry (including oil) and the environment movement are closer than ever, and I've seen it first hand.

    I just came back from pissing and refilling my drink and was dumped with a long post again by you.
    Point form please.
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,042
    I do not bastardized the English language by writing in "point form".

    Cheers Brian, for all the work you do. I am a Health. Safety & Environmental Consultant by trade. I believe it is Important to have people like yourselves keep industry in line. I have seen how far mining has come in their environmental consciousness, I have seen the electrical industry create solutions to prevent birds from being killed in substations. I have been a part pipeline organizations creating Project Planning with a heavy portion of it, I mean heavy, being environmental responsibility.
    So I work for industry, and I am telling you they are trying, even pulp and paper mills have improved. It is amazing to see how much of their profits go back into making things better.
    However, when people rail against clean energy solutions over dragonflies, my patience runs thin, as is happening in British Columbia.
    It is one world, and if we are working hard here to make things better, one has to ask are they in Saudi Arabia? Iraq? China?
    What about the developing world? Do we keep them in the dark ages, like telling a child "do as I say not as I do?"

    It is all complicated, and there are many ways to look at these issues. I think industry (including oil) and the environment movement are closer than ever, and I've seen it first hand.

    I just came back from pissing and refilling my drink and was dumped with a long post again by you.
    Point form please.

    POINT 1: Even though I may disagree to a small degree with some of the points 1T made here, it is a well thought out post, PJF.

    POINT 1a: Try reading it and see what you think.

    POINT 2: Like Hedo said, we don't all need to be succinct the way 15 second commercial are.

    PUNCH LINE 1: Actually, I suspect your "point form" posts are made in jest, no?



    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
    Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.













  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    edited January 2015
    brianlux wrote: »
    I do not bastardized the English language by writing in "point form".

    Cheers Brian, for all the work you do. I am a Health. Safety & Environmental Consultant by trade. I believe it is Important to have people like yourselves keep industry in line. I have seen how far mining has come in their environmental consciousness, I have seen the electrical industry create solutions to prevent birds from being killed in substations. I have been a part pipeline organizations creating Project Planning with a heavy portion of it, I mean heavy, being environmental responsibility.
    So I work for industry, and I am telling you they are trying, even pulp and paper mills have improved. It is amazing to see how much of their profits go back into making things better.
    However, when people rail against clean energy solutions over dragonflies, my patience runs thin, as is happening in British Columbia.
    It is one world, and if we are working hard here to make things better, one has to ask are they in Saudi Arabia? Iraq? China?
    What about the developing world? Do we keep them in the dark ages, like telling a child "do as I say not as I do?"

    It is all complicated, and there are many ways to look at these issues. I think industry (including oil) and the environment movement are closer than ever, and I've seen it first hand.

    I just came back from pissing and refilling my drink and was dumped with a long post again by you.
    Point form please.

    POINT 1: Even though I may disagree to a small degree with some of the points 1T made here, it is a well thought out post, PJF.

    POINT 1a: Try reading it and see what you think.

    POINT 2: Like Hedo said, we don't all need to be succinct the way 15 second commercial are.

    PUNCH LINE 1: Actually, I suspect your "point form" posts are made in jest, no?



    Just trying to cut the crease and put the shit in the whole

    I love these fucking quotes
    Post edited by PJfanwillneverleave1 on
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,042
    brianlux wrote: »
    I do not bastardized the English language by writing in "point form".

    Cheers Brian, for all the work you do. I am a Health. Safety & Environmental Consultant by trade. I believe it is Important to have people like yourselves keep industry in line. I have seen how far mining has come in their environmental consciousness, I have seen the electrical industry create solutions to prevent birds from being killed in substations. I have been a part pipeline organizations creating Project Planning with a heavy portion of it, I mean heavy, being environmental responsibility.
    So I work for industry, and I am telling you they are trying, even pulp and paper mills have improved. It is amazing to see how much of their profits go back into making things better.
    However, when people rail against clean energy solutions over dragonflies, my patience runs thin, as is happening in British Columbia.
    It is one world, and if we are working hard here to make things better, one has to ask are they in Saudi Arabia? Iraq? China?
    What about the developing world? Do we keep them in the dark ages, like telling a child "do as I say not as I do?"

    It is all complicated, and there are many ways to look at these issues. I think industry (including oil) and the environment movement are closer than ever, and I've seen it first hand.

    I just came back from pissing and refilling my drink and was dumped with a long post again by you.
    Point form please.

    POINT 1: Even though I may disagree to a small degree with some of the points 1T made here, it is a well thought out post, PJF.

    POINT 1a: Try reading it and see what you think.

    POINT 2: Like Hedo said, we don't all need to be succinct the way 15 second commercial are.

    PUNCH LINE 1: Actually, I suspect your "point form" posts are made in jest, no?



    Just trying to cut the shit and put the grease in the hole



    =; X_X
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
    Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.














  • [/quote]

    Just trying to cut the crease and put the shit in the whole




    That actually made me laugh
    :))

  • Just trying to cut the crease and put the shit in the whole




    That actually made me laugh
    :)) [/quote]

    Finally.
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,042

    Just trying to cut the crease and put the shit in the whole




    That actually made me laugh
    :))

    Finally. [/quote]

    My imagination just runs to graphically. (But yeah, actually I did laugh too :-)) )

    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
    Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.













  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,042
    Hey, way off topic, but why is the quote function so effed up? Same with some of the smileys- kind of like they're on acid or something.
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
    Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.













  • Now with all that shit being talked I think that both countries as neighbours can find a way to consider that if we can have unilateral resources flowing through our two countries without resistance we have such an enormous realm. We are your friend.
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,042
    Now with all that shit being talked I think that both countries as neighbours can find a way to consider that if we can have unilateral resources flowing through our two countries without resistance we have such an enormous realm. We are your friend.

    Way too much point form here, PJF.

    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
    Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.













  • brianlux wrote: »
    Now with all that shit being talked I think that both countries as neighbours can find a way to consider that if we can have unilateral resources flowing through our two countries without resistance we have such an enormous realm. We are your friend.

    Way too much point form here, PJF.

    For who?
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,042
    brianlux wrote: »
    Now with all that shit being talked I think that both countries as neighbours can find a way to consider that if we can have unilateral resources flowing through our two countries without resistance we have such an enormous realm. We are your friend.

    Way too much point form here, PJF.

    For who?

    "Whom", my friend, "whom".

    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
    Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.













  • brianlux wrote: »
    brianlux wrote: »
    Now with all that shit being talked I think that both countries as neighbours can find a way to consider that if we can have unilateral resources flowing through our two countries without resistance we have such an enormous realm. We are your friend.

    Way too much point form here, PJF.

    For who?

    "Whom", my friend, "whom".

    As far as I know one means who
  • brianlux wrote: »
    Now with all that shit being talked I think that both countries as neighbours can find a way to consider that if we can have unilateral resources flowing through our two countries without resistance we have such an enormous realm. We are your friend.

    Way too much point form here, PJF.


    Agreed PJF! And Brian you made me laugh too
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,042
    LOL you guys!

    Now off to see what petroleum bases vinyl records to spin on my politically correct squirrel driven turn table.
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
    Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.













  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    My head hurts.

    Back to the game!
  • hedonist wrote: »
    My head hurts.

    Back to the game!


    what game? be yourself
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    hedonist wrote: »
    My head hurts.

    Back to the game!


    what game? be yourself
    Always am myself. Who else would I be?

    Was talking about the OSU-Oregon game.

    Now THAT is a good one ;-)
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