Ariel Castro charged with murder

mysticweedmysticweed Posts: 3,710
edited November 2013 in A Moving Train
Cleveland kidnapping suspect Ariel Castro charged with murder, hundreds of rape, assault counts

i'm semi-liberal and all just slightly left of center
but i just want him to burn

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/06 ... ounts?lite


A Cuyahoga County grand jury indicted Castro, 52, on the aggravated murder charge for allegedly causing the unlawful termination of one of the women's pregnancies.
Amanda Berry, 27, Gina DeJesus, 23, and Michelle Knight, 32, escaped May 6 after having been kidnapped between 2000 and 2004. The kidnapping counts include the alleged abduction of Berry's daughter, now 6, who was born in captivity.

Besides the murder charge, the grand jury indicted him on more than 100 counts of rape, more than 150 counts of kidnapping, seven counts of gross sexual imposition, three counts of felonious assault and one count of possession of criminal tools.
Castro is to be arraigned next week. A decision on whether prosecutors will seek the death penalty hasn't been made, McGinty said.
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,958
    Good.... Hope he doesn't get off on some kind of technicality. I have about as much faith in the criminal justice system in North America as I do in oil companies to do what's best for the environment.
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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    How can it be murder if it isn't considered "born"?

    Isn't that the reasoning behind pro-choicers?
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    unsung wrote:
    How can it be murder if it isn't considered "born"?

    Isn't that the reasoning behind pro-choicers?
    ...
    Trying to make a case on abortion... ummmm.... o.... k.
    I think it is because the gal didn't have a choice in the matter. It was all the guy's doing.
    Or do you seriously believe that the gal told the guy to beat her in the stomach?
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  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,172
    mysticweed wrote:

    i'm semi-liberal and all just slightly left of center
    but i just want him to burn

    That is perfectly OK. Everyone gets a trial. No matter how horrible their crimes, no matter how much we want them to burn, they still get a trial. The angrier we get the clearer it becomes why the system is necessary -- and why it works.

    I want him to burn too.
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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    life or death ? maybe the rest of his days in solatary confinement.

    Godfather.
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,611
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    Cosmo wrote:
    unsung wrote:
    How can it be murder if it isn't considered "born"?

    Isn't that the reasoning behind pro-choicers?
    ...
    Trying to make a case on abortion... ummmm.... o.... k.
    I think it is because the gal didn't have a choice in the matter. It was all the guy's doing.
    Or do you seriously believe that the gal told the guy to beat her in the stomach?
    yep. There is already precedent here in Ohio for this and a conviction too. Boyfriend forced a woman to get an abortion. He's in prison now.

    It also applies to vehicular homicides too if a pregnant woman loses the baby.
    Under this narrow criteria it is murder.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,611
    mysticweed wrote:
    Cleveland kidnapping suspect Ariel Castro charged with murder, hundreds of rape, assault counts

    i'm semi-liberal and all just slightly left of center
    but i just want him to burn

    http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/06 ... ounts?lite


    A Cuyahoga County grand jury indicted Castro, 52, on the aggravated murder charge for allegedly causing the unlawful termination of one of the women's pregnancies.
    Amanda Berry, 27, Gina DeJesus, 23, and Michelle Knight, 32, escaped May 6 after having been kidnapped between 2000 and 2004. The kidnapping counts include the alleged abduction of Berry's daughter, now 6, who was born in captivity.

    Besides the murder charge, the grand jury indicted him on more than 100 counts of rape, more than 150 counts of kidnapping, seven counts of gross sexual imposition, three counts of felonious assault and one count of possession of criminal tools.
    Castro is to be arraigned next week. A decision on whether prosecutors will seek the death penalty hasn't been made, McGinty said.
    329 counts in all. Seems overkill to me. But its likely to garner a plea deal to spare these women having to testify at trial.
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  • mookeywrenchmookeywrench Posts: 5,903
    mickeyrat wrote:
    329 counts in all. Seems overkill to me. But its likely to garner a plea deal to spare these women having to testify at trial.

    Keeping 4 people enslaved and locked in a basement for a collective 36 years is more overkill.
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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    mickeyrat wrote:
    329 counts in all. Seems overkill to me. But its likely to garner a plea deal to spare these women having to testify at trial.

    Keeping 4 people enslaved and locked in a basement for a collective 36 years is more overkill.
    Amen.

    I also wonder about these young women...do they want to testify? Maybe a release for them, I don't know.
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,611
    hedonist wrote:
    mickeyrat wrote:
    329 counts in all. Seems overkill to me. But its likely to garner a plea deal to spare these women having to testify at trial.

    Keeping 4 people enslaved and locked in a basement for a collective 36 years is more overkill.
    Amen.

    I also wonder about these young women...do they want to testify? Maybe a release for them, I don't know.
    more charges are coming.
    As it stands right now, I think it is one count of rape for each month that each victim was held.
    At present its only 2 counts of homicide( I believe manslaughter) related to the forced miscarriages.

    As to my comment about overkill, I don't think all those counts would be needed to insure this guy at minimum gets life with no parole. Perhaps death.

    I think the defense could reasonably argue that the individual counts are really a continuation of the first rape subsequent to the kidnapping. On going crime and all that.

    personally I think this guy wont last long in prison anyway . My hope would be ,if not death ,then a loooooooooooooooong dreary miserable life in prison. But reality of inmate justice system says DP.
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  • chadwickchadwick Posts: 21,157
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  • mickeyrat wrote:
    more charges are coming.
    As it stands right now, I think it is one count of rape for each month that each victim was held.
    At present its only 2 counts of homicide( I believe manslaughter) related to the forced miscarriages.

    As to my comment about overkill, I don't think all those counts would be needed to insure this guy at minimum gets life with no parole. Perhaps death.

    I think the defense could reasonably argue that the individual counts are really a continuation of the first rape subsequent to the kidnapping. On going crime and all that.

    personally I think this guy wont last long in prison anyway . My hope would be ,if not death ,then a loooooooooooooooong dreary miserable life in prison. But reality of inmate justice system says DP.

    Up here in Canada, our justice system would work extra hard to ensure true justice does not occur. After a big and really costly trial, at the point of sentencing, our authorities would dole out the proverbial 'slap on the wrist'. Then, knowing full well the barbarians in prison would seek to do the job our legal system didn't do, the same authorities would set up a cushy prison arrangement where this idiot wouldn't come into contact with any other prisoners: just access to internet, television, books, counsellors, doctors, and members of his fan club that will most assuredly develop given people's unbelievably stupid nature. I mean, think of the trolls that marry some of these horrific human beings as they serve their time for murder and such.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,611
    mickeyrat wrote:
    more charges are coming.
    As it stands right now, I think it is one count of rape for each month that each victim was held.
    At present its only 2 counts of homicide( I believe manslaughter) related to the forced miscarriages.

    As to my comment about overkill, I don't think all those counts would be needed to insure this guy at minimum gets life with no parole. Perhaps death.

    I think the defense could reasonably argue that the individual counts are really a continuation of the first rape subsequent to the kidnapping. On going crime and all that.

    personally I think this guy wont last long in prison anyway . My hope would be ,if not death ,then a loooooooooooooooong dreary miserable life in prison. But reality of inmate justice system says DP.

    Up here in Canada, our justice system would work extra hard to ensure true justice does not occur. After a big and really costly trial, at the point of sentencing, our authorities would dole out the proverbial 'slap on the wrist'. Then, knowing full well the barbarians in prison would seek to do the job our legal system didn't do, the same authorities would set up a cushy prison arrangement where this idiot wouldn't come into contact with any other prisoners: just access to internet, television, books, counsellors, doctors, and members of his fan club that will most assuredly develop given people's unbelievably stupid nature. I mean, think of the trolls that marry some of these horrific human beings as they serve their time for murder and such.
    I'm sure he would be put into a segregated unit. But even that wouldn't ensure his safety. Any number of ways this guy could be gotten to to cause him harm.
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,958
    mickeyrat wrote:
    more charges are coming.
    As it stands right now, I think it is one count of rape for each month that each victim was held.
    At present its only 2 counts of homicide( I believe manslaughter) related to the forced miscarriages.

    As to my comment about overkill, I don't think all those counts would be needed to insure this guy at minimum gets life with no parole. Perhaps death.

    I think the defense could reasonably argue that the individual counts are really a continuation of the first rape subsequent to the kidnapping. On going crime and all that.

    personally I think this guy wont last long in prison anyway . My hope would be ,if not death ,then a loooooooooooooooong dreary miserable life in prison. But reality of inmate justice system says DP.

    Up here in Canada, our justice system would work extra hard to ensure true justice does not occur. After a big and really costly trial, at the point of sentencing, our authorities would dole out the proverbial 'slap on the wrist'. Then, knowing full well the barbarians in prison would seek to do the job our legal system didn't do, the same authorities would set up a cushy prison arrangement where this idiot wouldn't come into contact with any other prisoners: just access to internet, television, books, counsellors, doctors, and members of his fan club that will most assuredly develop given people's unbelievably stupid nature. I mean, think of the trolls that marry some of these horrific human beings as they serve their time for murder and such.
    Huh. I think what would happen is that he'd be found guilty and given the maximum penalty allowed under Canadian law: Life in prison without the possibility of parole for 20 years (and then never get parole). I do agree that our justice system sucks shit as far as letting criminals walk early goes, but that's not generally the case for those who are not found to be mentally ill and commit truly heinous crimes. I.e. Willy Pickton or that little psychopath who mailed the body parts, once he's found guilty, ain't getting out. The Canadian justice system sucks, but it's not 100% useless.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,611
    mickeyrat wrote:
    hedonist wrote:
    Keeping 4 people enslaved and locked in a basement for a collective 36 years is more overkill.
    Amen.

    I also wonder about these young women...do they want to testify? Maybe a release for them, I don't know.
    more charges are coming.
    As it stands right now, I think it is one count of rape for each month that each victim was held.
    At present its only 2 counts of homicide( I believe manslaughter) related to the forced miscarriages.

    As to my comment about overkill, I don't think all those counts would be needed to insure this guy at minimum gets life with no parole. Perhaps death.

    I think the defense could reasonably argue that the individual counts are really a continuation of the first rape subsequent to the kidnapping. On going crime and all that.

    personally I think this guy wont last long in prison anyway . My hope would be ,if not death ,then a loooooooooooooooong dreary miserable life in prison. But reality of inmate justice system says DP.
    an additional 977 counts filed against Castro yesterday. Almost 1300 in total.


    Think this is going to trial? I doubt it.

    Also was a youtube vid posted from the women thanking everyone for their support. Have not seen it or I would post a link. It was enough for me to know they are on the path to healing.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,611
    Apparently minutes away from a hearing in regards to a plea deal.
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  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    He plead guilty. At least that will save the cost of a trial.
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    hopefully they put him in the general population.
  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    Jason P wrote:
    hopefully they put him in the general population.

    Why?
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,958
    know1 wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    hopefully they put him in the general population.

    Why?
    Because he'll probably be dead within a week.
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  • Bronx BombersBronx Bombers Posts: 2,208
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    know1 wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    hopefully they put him in the general population.

    Why?
    Because he'll probably be dead within a week.

    Hopefully he'll get a little prison style payback beforehand. :lol:
  • chadwickchadwick Posts: 21,157
    this fucking puke-bag-of-shit throughly deserve nothing decent. i'd walk to ohio if the state would allow me to blow his head clean off his shoulders. and i'd pay them

    every angel, every deathdealer that ever lived would give me a massage & happy ending. good to go

    goodnight, ball of shit
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  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    know1 wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    hopefully they put him in the general population.

    Why?
    Because he'll probably be dead within a week.

    And that's something that makes you all happy? Something that you would wish for?
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  • chadwickchadwick Posts: 21,157
    not wish for. live & love for
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  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    chadwick wrote:
    not wish for. live & love for

    I find that really sad.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • chadwickchadwick Posts: 21,157
    know1 wrote:
    chadwick wrote:
    not wish for. live & love for

    I find that really sad.
    you find living without a monster-maniac who's insanely abusive towards women sad? we are opposites. i find living with those things sad
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  • Bronx BombersBronx Bombers Posts: 2,208
    chadwick wrote:
    know1 wrote:
    chadwick wrote:
    not wish for. live & love for

    I find that really sad.
    you find living without a monster-maniac who's insanely abusive towards women sad? we are opposites. i find living with those things sad

    This guy doesn't deserve to live for what he did to those poor girls.
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,958
    know1 wrote:
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    know1 wrote:

    Why?
    Because he'll probably be dead within a week.

    And that's something that makes you all happy? Something that you would wish for?
    Not me. I don't approve of violent retribution. I was just explaining Jason P's comment.
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  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    chadwick wrote:
    know1 wrote:
    chadwick wrote:
    not wish for. live & love for

    I find that really sad.
    you find living without a monster-maniac who's insanely abusive towards women sad? we are opposites. i find living with those things sad

    No. I find you taking pleasure in someone getting beaten up or killed sad. No matter if they're a monster or not.
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    ...are those who've helped us.

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  • chadwickchadwick Posts: 21,157
    know1 wrote:
    No. I find you taking pleasure in someone getting beaten up or killed sad. No matter if they're a monster or not.
    did i say "i take pleasure in someone getting beaten up or killed?"

    firstly someone is not ariel castro. use his name, or refer to him as a monster, don't call him someone, he is no one. i am a someone, you are a someone, this dangerous freak is no one... no... one he is blank, he deserve nothing decent

    secondly. in all truthfullness i may or may not find pleasure in putting this monster to rest. but i would surely step up to the plate if offered the chance to put a hole through his nasty ass skull. it may haunte me forever, good! he is a no one. he is a dangerous no one. he is not a victim. he is a dangerous, manipulative female abuser, a murder of a unborn child...his own child

    the monster is uncontrolled. he deserves nothing at all ever to be decent.

    no one, a nobody.
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    no more forever."

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