Ariel Castro charged with murder

mysticweed

Cleveland kidnapping suspect Ariel Castro charged with murder, hundreds of rape, assault counts

i'm semi-liberal and all just slightly left of center
but i just want him to burn

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/06 ... ounts?lite


A Cuyahoga County grand jury indicted Castro, 52, on the aggravated murder charge for allegedly causing the unlawful termination of one of the women's pregnancies.
Amanda Berry, 27, Gina DeJesus, 23, and Michelle Knight, 32, escaped May 6 after having been kidnapped between 2000 and 2004. The kidnapping counts include the alleged abduction of Berry's daughter, now 6, who was born in captivity.

Besides the murder charge, the grand jury indicted him on more than 100 counts of rape, more than 150 counts of kidnapping, seven counts of gross sexual imposition, three counts of felonious assault and one count of possession of criminal tools.
Castro is to be arraigned next week. A decision on whether prosecutors will seek the death penalty hasn't been made, McGinty said.

PJ_Soul

Good.... Hope he doesn't get off on some kind of technicality. I have about as much faith in the criminal justice system in North America as I do in oil companies to do what's best for the environment.

unsung

How can it be murder if it isn't considered "born"?

Isn't that the reasoning behind pro-choicers?

Cosmo

unsung wrote:

How can it be murder if it isn't considered "born"?

Isn't that the reasoning behind pro-choicers?

...
Trying to make a case on abortion... ummmm.... o.... k.
I think it is because the gal didn't have a choice in the matter. It was all the guy's doing.
Or do you seriously believe that the gal told the guy to beat her in the stomach?

JimmyV

mysticweed wrote:

i'm semi-liberal and all just slightly left of center
but i just want him to burn

That is perfectly OK. Everyone gets a trial. No matter how horrible their crimes, no matter how much we want them to burn, they still get a trial. The angrier we get the clearer it becomes why the system is necessary -- and why it works.

I want him to burn too.

Godfather.

life or death ? maybe the rest of his days in solatary confinement.

Godfather.

mickeyrat

Cosmo wrote:

unsung wrote:

How can it be murder if it isn't considered "born"?

Isn't that the reasoning behind pro-choicers?

...
Trying to make a case on abortion... ummmm.... o.... k.
I think it is because the gal didn't have a choice in the matter. It was all the guy's doing.
Or do you seriously believe that the gal told the guy to beat her in the stomach?

yep. There is already precedent here in Ohio for this and a conviction too. Boyfriend forced a woman to get an abortion. He's in prison now.

It also applies to vehicular homicides too if a pregnant woman loses the baby.
Under this narrow criteria it is murder.

mickeyrat

mysticweed wrote:

Cleveland kidnapping suspect Ariel Castro charged with murder, hundreds of rape, assault counts

i'm semi-liberal and all just slightly left of center
but i just want him to burn

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/06 ... ounts?lite


A Cuyahoga County grand jury indicted Castro, 52, on the aggravated murder charge for allegedly causing the unlawful termination of one of the women's pregnancies.
Amanda Berry, 27, Gina DeJesus, 23, and Michelle Knight, 32, escaped May 6 after having been kidnapped between 2000 and 2004. The kidnapping counts include the alleged abduction of Berry's daughter, now 6, who was born in captivity.

Besides the murder charge, the grand jury indicted him on more than 100 counts of rape, more than 150 counts of kidnapping, seven counts of gross sexual imposition, three counts of felonious assault and one count of possession of criminal tools.
Castro is to be arraigned next week. A decision on whether prosecutors will seek the death penalty hasn't been made, McGinty said.

329 counts in all. Seems overkill to me. But its likely to garner a plea deal to spare these women having to testify at trial.

mookeywrench

mickeyrat wrote:

329 counts in all. Seems overkill to me. But its likely to garner a plea deal to spare these women having to testify at trial.

Keeping 4 people enslaved and locked in a basement for a collective 36 years is more overkill.

hedonist

mookeywrench wrote:

mickeyrat wrote:

329 counts in all. Seems overkill to me. But its likely to garner a plea deal to spare these women having to testify at trial.

Keeping 4 people enslaved and locked in a basement for a collective 36 years is more overkill.

Amen.

I also wonder about these young women...do they want to testify? Maybe a release for them, I don't know.

mickeyrat

hedonist wrote:

mookeywrench wrote:

mickeyrat wrote:

329 counts in all. Seems overkill to me. But its likely to garner a plea deal to spare these women having to testify at trial.

Keeping 4 people enslaved and locked in a basement for a collective 36 years is more overkill.

Amen.

I also wonder about these young women...do they want to testify? Maybe a release for them, I don't know.

more charges are coming.
As it stands right now, I think it is one count of rape for each month that each victim was held.
At present its only 2 counts of homicide( I believe manslaughter) related to the forced miscarriages.

As to my comment about overkill, I don't think all those counts would be needed to insure this guy at minimum gets life with no parole. Perhaps death.

I think the defense could reasonably argue that the individual counts are really a continuation of the first rape subsequent to the kidnapping. On going crime and all that.

personally I think this guy wont last long in prison anyway . My hope would be ,if not death ,then a loooooooooooooooong dreary miserable life in prison. But reality of inmate justice system says DP.

chadwick

.50 caliber sniper rifle shooter with his spotter @ 1,300 yards on a windy day

Thirty Bills Unpaid

mickeyrat wrote:

more charges are coming.
As it stands right now, I think it is one count of rape for each month that each victim was held.
At present its only 2 counts of homicide( I believe manslaughter) related to the forced miscarriages.

As to my comment about overkill, I don't think all those counts would be needed to insure this guy at minimum gets life with no parole. Perhaps death.

I think the defense could reasonably argue that the individual counts are really a continuation of the first rape subsequent to the kidnapping. On going crime and all that.

personally I think this guy wont last long in prison anyway . My hope would be ,if not death ,then a loooooooooooooooong dreary miserable life in prison. But reality of inmate justice system says DP.

Up here in Canada, our justice system would work extra hard to ensure true justice does not occur. After a big and really costly trial, at the point of sentencing, our authorities would dole out the proverbial 'slap on the wrist'. Then, knowing full well the barbarians in prison would seek to do the job our legal system didn't do, the same authorities would set up a cushy prison arrangement where this idiot wouldn't come into contact with any other prisoners: just access to internet, television, books, counsellors, doctors, and members of his fan club that will most assuredly develop given people's unbelievably stupid nature. I mean, think of the trolls that marry some of these horrific human beings as they serve their time for murder and such.

mickeyrat

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

mickeyrat wrote:

more charges are coming.
As it stands right now, I think it is one count of rape for each month that each victim was held.
At present its only 2 counts of homicide( I believe manslaughter) related to the forced miscarriages.

As to my comment about overkill, I don't think all those counts would be needed to insure this guy at minimum gets life with no parole. Perhaps death.

I think the defense could reasonably argue that the individual counts are really a continuation of the first rape subsequent to the kidnapping. On going crime and all that.

personally I think this guy wont last long in prison anyway . My hope would be ,if not death ,then a loooooooooooooooong dreary miserable life in prison. But reality of inmate justice system says DP.

Up here in Canada, our justice system would work extra hard to ensure true justice does not occur. After a big and really costly trial, at the point of sentencing, our authorities would dole out the proverbial 'slap on the wrist'. Then, knowing full well the barbarians in prison would seek to do the job our legal system didn't do, the same authorities would set up a cushy prison arrangement where this idiot wouldn't come into contact with any other prisoners: just access to internet, television, books, counsellors, doctors, and members of his fan club that will most assuredly develop given people's unbelievably stupid nature. I mean, think of the trolls that marry some of these horrific human beings as they serve their time for murder and such.

I'm sure he would be put into a segregated unit. But even that wouldn't ensure his safety. Any number of ways this guy could be gotten to to cause him harm.

PJ_Soul

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

mickeyrat wrote:

more charges are coming.
As it stands right now, I think it is one count of rape for each month that each victim was held.
At present its only 2 counts of homicide( I believe manslaughter) related to the forced miscarriages.

As to my comment about overkill, I don't think all those counts would be needed to insure this guy at minimum gets life with no parole. Perhaps death.

I think the defense could reasonably argue that the individual counts are really a continuation of the first rape subsequent to the kidnapping. On going crime and all that.

personally I think this guy wont last long in prison anyway . My hope would be ,if not death ,then a loooooooooooooooong dreary miserable life in prison. But reality of inmate justice system says DP.

Up here in Canada, our justice system would work extra hard to ensure true justice does not occur. After a big and really costly trial, at the point of sentencing, our authorities would dole out the proverbial 'slap on the wrist'. Then, knowing full well the barbarians in prison would seek to do the job our legal system didn't do, the same authorities would set up a cushy prison arrangement where this idiot wouldn't come into contact with any other prisoners: just access to internet, television, books, counsellors, doctors, and members of his fan club that will most assuredly develop given people's unbelievably stupid nature. I mean, think of the trolls that marry some of these horrific human beings as they serve their time for murder and such.

Huh. I think what would happen is that he'd be found guilty and given the maximum penalty allowed under Canadian law: Life in prison without the possibility of parole for 20 years (and then never get parole). I do agree that our justice system sucks shit as far as letting criminals walk early goes, but that's not generally the case for those who are not found to be mentally ill and commit truly heinous crimes. I.e. Willy Pickton or that little psychopath who mailed the body parts, once he's found guilty, ain't getting out. The Canadian justice system sucks, but it's not 100% useless.

mickeyrat

mickeyrat wrote:

hedonist wrote:

mookeywrench wrote:

Keeping 4 people enslaved and locked in a basement for a collective 36 years is more overkill.

Amen.

I also wonder about these young women...do they want to testify? Maybe a release for them, I don't know.

more charges are coming.
As it stands right now, I think it is one count of rape for each month that each victim was held.
At present its only 2 counts of homicide( I believe manslaughter) related to the forced miscarriages.

As to my comment about overkill, I don't think all those counts would be needed to insure this guy at minimum gets life with no parole. Perhaps death.

I think the defense could reasonably argue that the individual counts are really a continuation of the first rape subsequent to the kidnapping. On going crime and all that.

personally I think this guy wont last long in prison anyway . My hope would be ,if not death ,then a loooooooooooooooong dreary miserable life in prison. But reality of inmate justice system says DP.

an additional 977 counts filed against Castro yesterday. Almost 1300 in total.


Think this is going to trial? I doubt it.

Also was a youtube vid posted from the women thanking everyone for their support. Have not seen it or I would post a link. It was enough for me to know they are on the path to healing.

mickeyrat

Apparently minutes away from a hearing in regards to a plea deal.

know1

He plead guilty. At least that will save the cost of a trial.

Jason P

hopefully they put him in the general population.

know1

Jason P wrote:

hopefully they put him in the general population.

Why?

PJ_Soul

know1 wrote:

Jason P wrote:

hopefully they put him in the general population.

Why?

Because he'll probably be dead within a week.