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That is the bottom line... the dress code was in place before the Prom.
The girls was not turned away from entry to the Prom.
The Prom staff assisted the girl in compliance with the dress code.
The girl was allowed into the Prom.
She stayed at the Prom of an hour.
She DECIDED to leave the Prom... she was not ejected from it.
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She wants an apology for HER reaction... for HER decision to leave.
Her parents are fucking assholes and should take on the role as parents and welcome her to life.... with the rest of us by telling her that the Dress Code was being enforced and she is not above the rules... for whatever excuse she comes up with.
But again, all of that is totally besides the point. I personally don't give a flying fuck about whether or not this chick enjoyed her prom or whether or not she disobeyed the dress code. It's the rule - the dress code itself - and the attitude behind that particular rule that bother me.
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Again... I don't know the whole history of this thing... i don't know if the rule was in place in the 1950s or if they were enacted this year because some hoochie mammas showed up last year wearing tube tops as dresses.
I don't think it singles out large breasted girls, rather, ALL girls. If ANY girl, regardless of bust size, shows up with the following combination: sleeveless AND cleavage... she will be told to cover up. She had choices... a sleeved dress showing some cleavage... or a sleeveless dress showing no clevage. She CHOSE the combination of Sleeveless AND Cleavage.
The only way we can really understand this is to find out exactly WHY this dress code requirement is in place.
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Also, i wonder if there is a dress code stipulation that the boys belt must be at the waist, not around the thighs. We would all know why/how that got into the dress code.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
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That is the bottom line... the dress code was in place before the Prom.
The girls was not turned away from entry to the Prom.
The Prom staff assisted the girl in compliance with the dress code.
The girl was allowed into the Prom.
She stayed at the Prom of an hour.
She DECIDED to leave the Prom... she was not ejected from it.
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She wants an apology for HER reaction... for HER decision to leave.
Her parents are fucking assholes and should take on the role as parents and welcome her to life.... with the rest of us by telling her that the Dress Code was being enforced and she is not above the rules... for whatever excuse she comes up with.
But again, all of that is totally besides the point. I personally don't give a flying fuck about whether or not this chick enjoyed her prom or whether or not she disobeyed the dress code. It's the rule - the dress code itself - and the attitude behind that particular rule that bother me.
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Again... I don't know the whole history of this thing... i don't know if the rule was in place in the 1950s or if they were enacted this year because some hoochie mammas showed up last year wearing tube tops as dresses.
I don't think it singles out large breasted girls, rather, ALL girls. If ANY girl, regardless of bust size, shows up with the following combination: sleeveless AND cleavage... she will be told to cover up. She had choices... a sleeved dress showing some cleavage... or a sleeveless dress showing no clevage. She CHOSE the combination of Sleeveless AND Cleavage.
The only way we can really understand this is to find out exactly WHY this dress code requirement is in place.
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Also, i wonder if there is a dress code stipulation that the boys belt must be at the waist, not around the thighs. We would all know why/how that got into the dress code.
No, but many girls don't have cleavage. or if they do, there may be very little of it, and therefore can wear much lower necklines and not be showing cleavage. That's the whole point. They could wear a top that is 2 inches above their nipples and not be showing cleavage. Whereas the girls with bigger breasts - and therefore with cleavage - would be held to a different standard of clothing solely because of how their bodies are built. Therein lies the problem. Cleavage is what girls with big boobs have, and unless they pretty much wear mock turtle necks, they can't hide it. It should not be a part of the body that is made into a shameful, obscene thing. It should absolutely not be something specifically banned in a dress code.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
No, but many girls don't have cleavage. or if they do, there may be very little of it, and therefore can wear much lower necklines and not be showing cleavage. That's the whole point. They could wear a top that is 2 inches above their nipples and not be showing cleavage. Whereas the girls with bigger breasts - and therefore with cleavage - would be held to a different standard of clothing solely because of how their bodies are built. Therein lies the problem. Cleavage is what girls with big boobs have, and unless they pretty much wear mock turtle necks, they can't hide it. It should not be a part of the body that is made into a shameful, obscene thing. It should absolutely not be something specifically banned in a dress code.
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The fact that small breasted women do not have cleavage does not matter. The only difference is they can wear a sleeveless dress and get away with it simply because they have no cleavage. Is that fair? I think so. I doesn't mean they can wear anything to the Prom... like, no pasties or electrical tape across their nipples. They must also follow the same dress code.
To me, it's like saying the speed limit is discriminatory against a Ferrari. Because a 1962 VW Bus cannot go 162 MPH, why should the Ferrari have to drive 65 MPH to appease the VW? The rules are in place for whatever reason and until it is changed, people have to comply or face the consequences of disobeying them.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
No, but many girls don't have cleavage. or if they do, there may be very little of it, and therefore can wear much lower necklines and not be showing cleavage. That's the whole point. They could wear a top that is 2 inches above their nipples and not be showing cleavage. Whereas the girls with bigger breasts - and therefore with cleavage - would be held to a different standard of clothing solely because of how their bodies are built. Therein lies the problem. Cleavage is what girls with big boobs have, and unless they pretty much wear mock turtle necks, they can't hide it. It should not be a part of the body that is made into a shameful, obscene thing. It should absolutely not be something specifically banned in a dress code.
It absolutely isn't about being made to feel ashamed for what is her natural body.
It just comes down to saying "OK, these are the parameters by which I can go to the prom". And she did, she accepted those parameter. She covered up, then chose to leave.
I dunno, maybe times are different, but at that age (hell, even now!), I had no problem finding dressy clothes that didn't bare most of me. And if not? Scarf and other ways around it.
No, but many girls don't have cleavage. or if they do, there may be very little of it, and therefore can wear much lower necklines and not be showing cleavage. That's the whole point. They could wear a top that is 2 inches above their nipples and not be showing cleavage. Whereas the girls with bigger breasts - and therefore with cleavage - would be held to a different standard of clothing solely because of how their bodies are built. Therein lies the problem. Cleavage is what girls with big boobs have, and unless they pretty much wear mock turtle necks, they can't hide it. It should not be a part of the body that is made into a shameful, obscene thing. It should absolutely not be something specifically banned in a dress code.
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The fact that small breasted women do not have cleavage does not matter. The only difference is they can wear a sleeveless dress and get away with it simply because they have no cleavage. Is that fair? I think so. I doesn't mean they can wear anything to the Prom... like, no pasties or electrical tape across their nipples. They must also follow the same dress code.
To me, it's like saying the speed limit is discriminatory against a Ferrari. Because a 1962 VW Bus cannot go 162 MPH, why should the Ferrari have to drive 65 MPH to appease the VW? The rules are in place for whatever reason and until it is changed, people have to comply or face the consequences of disobeying them.
Those are cars, and speed limits are for the physical safety of people. This is nothing like your comparison.
And no, it's not fair if some people can wear sleeveless top and other can't because their bodies are different. No. That's not okay. But anyway, we have definitely both said everything we can say on the matter, and never the twain shall meet.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
ps...ha! I was trying to find a tactful way of mentioning the tape across the nipples scenario. I got stuck on "duct tape", then backspaced post-haste.
Those are cars, and speed limits are for the physical safety of people. This is nothing like your comparison.
And no, it's not fair if some people can wear sleeveless top and other can't because their bodies are different. No. That's not okay. But anyway, we have definitely both said everything we can say on the matter, and never the twain shall meet.
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The point is rules are rules. Ferraris and VW Busses are both cars with different capabilities. A VW Bus cannot reach the speeds of a Ferrari, even if it were pushed out on an airplane.
The large breasted girl and the small breasted girl are both girls. A small breasted girl couldn't show cleavage, even if she wanted to. She is still a girl and even if she has no breasts at all... she STILL is required to wear a top. Is that unfair? No, it is just the way things are for her.
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This girl... no, actually, HER PARENTS need to teach her that you cannot do whatever you want... just because you want to. Welcome to the Human Race... we live in a society that has rules we need to abide because we don't get to make the rules to fit our wants.
Her parents should know that the rules are in place and she needs to follow them if she wishes to participate in this part of society.
Or... her and her parents can pay to have their own prom and make whatever rules they want... and anyone going to their prom has to abide bytheir rules.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
Those are cars, and speed limits are for the physical safety of people. This is nothing like your comparison.
And no, it's not fair if some people can wear sleeveless top and other can't because their bodies are different. No. That's not okay. But anyway, we have definitely both said everything we can say on the matter, and never the twain shall meet.
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The point is rules are rules. Ferraris and VW Busses are both cars with different capabilities. A VW Bus cannot reach the speeds of a Ferrari, even if it were pushed out on an airplane.
The large breasted girl and the small breasted girl are both girls. A small breasted girl couldn't show cleavage, even if she wanted to. She is still a girl and even if she has no breasts at all... she STILL is required to wear a top. Is that unfair? No, it is just the way things are for her.
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This girl... no, actually, HER PARENTS need to teach her that you cannot do whatever you want... just because you want to. Welcome to the Human Race... we live in a society that has rules we need to abide because we don't get to make the rules to fit our wants.
Her parents should know that the rules are in place and she needs to follow them if she wishes to participate in this part of society.
Or... her and her parents can pay to have their own prom and make whatever rules they want... and anyone going to their prom has to abide bytheir rules.
Rules are made to be broken.
No, but seriously, when a rule is stupid or unfair or discriminatory, I think it's important for people to fight against that rule, not bow down before it.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
No, but seriously, when a rule is stupid or unfair or discriminatory, I think it's important for people to fight against that rule, not bow down before it.
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If it is THAT important to her, then she should take it up. They can hire a lawyer and sue the school... and when they lose, they should have to pay court costs and the school's legal bills.
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Personally, I think she is acting like a spoiled little shit. She can still wear that dress out to a formal dinner or a wedding or to church or whatever else y'all wear those dresses to. The dress isn't against the law... she is still free to wear it where ever she wants. She is trying to make it a bigger deal than it is.
And her parents... i think they are acting like assholes.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
No, but seriously, when a rule is stupid or unfair or discriminatory, I think it's important for people to fight against that rule, not bow down before it.
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If it is THAT important to her, then she should take it up. They can hire a lawyer and sue the school... and when they lose, they should have to pay court costs and the school's legal bills.
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Personally, I think she is acting like a spoiled little shit. She can still wear that dress out to a formal dinner or a wedding or to church or whatever else y'all wear those dresses to. The dress isn't against the law... she is still free to wear it where ever she wants. She is trying to make it a bigger deal than it is.
And her parents... i think they are acting like assholes.
Well she shouldn't wear that dress ever again. It looks awful on her.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Well she shouldn't wear that dress ever again. It looks awful on her.
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Which is what her damn parents should have told her.
I have some women that are ample in the girly curves that look GREAT in clothes that suit them well.
and i have see girls that are wearing things they... welll, they really should NOT be wearing.
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From a woman's perspective... an Olympic Swimmer or Water Polo dude in Speedos probably looks pretty good to you gals, right?
A guy with the same shape and landscaping features as Ron Jeremy (without the offsetting package) in Speedos... well... what?
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
Well she shouldn't wear that dress ever again. It looks awful on her.
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Which is what her damn parents should have told her.
I have some women that are ample in the girly curves that look GREAT in clothes that suit them well.
and i have see girls that are wearing things they... welll, they really should NOT be wearing.
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From a woman's perspective... an Olympic Swimmer or Water Polo dude in Speedos probably looks pretty good to you gals, right?
A guy with the same shape and landscaping features as Ron Jeremy (without the offsetting package) in Speedos... well... what?
Doesn't look good. But that doesn't matter. All men have the right to wear speedos as equals. It's not their problem if I don't happen to like how it looks. Some others might. Or not. No rule should ever be based on whether or not someone thinks someone looks good.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Well she shouldn't wear that dress ever again. It looks awful on her.
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Which is what her damn parents should have told her.
I have some women that are ample in the girly curves that look GREAT in clothes that suit them well.
and i have see girls that are wearing things they... welll, they really should NOT be wearing.
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From a woman's perspective... an Olympic Swimmer or Water Polo dude in Speedos probably looks pretty good to you gals, right?
A guy with the same shape and landscaping features as Ron Jeremy (without the offsetting package) in Speedos... well... what?
Doesn't look good. But that doesn't matter. All men have the right to wear speedos as equals. It's not their problem if I don't happen to like how it looks. Some others might. Or not. No rule should ever be based on whether or not someone thinks someone looks good.
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I know... but, sometimes, there SHOULD be laws against that.
Just go to the local Wal-Mart.
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i rest my case.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
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Which is what her damn parents should have told her.
I have some women that are ample in the girly curves that look GREAT in clothes that suit them well.
and i have see girls that are wearing things they... welll, they really should NOT be wearing.
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From a woman's perspective... an Olympic Swimmer or Water Polo dude in Speedos probably looks pretty good to you gals, right?
A guy with the same shape and landscaping features as Ron Jeremy (without the offsetting package) in Speedos... well... what?
Doesn't look good. But that doesn't matter. All men have the right to wear speedos as equals. It's not their problem if I don't happen to like how it looks. Some others might. Or not. No rule should ever be based on whether or not someone thinks someone looks good.
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I know... but, sometimes, there SHOULD be laws against that.
Just go to the local Wal-Mart.
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i rest my case.
Those freaks add a little extra to the world - in the end I don't mind. .... It is weird though. I mean, you don't see those Walmart people anywhere else in society. Just in Walmart.... :?
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Those freaks add a little extra to the world - in the end I don't mind. .... It is weird though. I mean, you don't see those Walmart people anywhere else in society. Just in Walmart.... :?
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I think they live there... it's sort of like some sort of strange prison or something.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
Those freaks add a little extra to the world - in the end I don't mind. .... It is weird though. I mean, you don't see those Walmart people anywhere else in society. Just in Walmart.... :?
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I think they live there... it's sort of like some sort of strange prison or something.
Both of you:
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Doesn't look good. But that doesn't matter. All men have the right to wear speedos as equals. It's not their problem if I don't happen to like how it looks. Some others might. Or not. No rule should ever be based on whether or not someone thinks someone looks good.
I completely agree, but this isn't about hanging out on the beach or boardwalk or elsewhere, where pretty much anything goes. This was about guidelines set up by the school she attends.
(and true about rule-breaking - I've flouted my share of them...but I also know I have to pay the price, without whining, for doing so)
Doesn't look good. But that doesn't matter. All men have the right to wear speedos as equals. It's not their problem if I don't happen to like how it looks. Some others might. Or not. No rule should ever be based on whether or not someone thinks someone looks good.
I completely agree, but this isn't about hanging out on the beach or boardwalk or elsewhere, where pretty much anything goes. This was about guidelines set up by the school she attends.
(and true about rule-breaking - I've flouted my share of them...but I also know I have to pay the price, without whining, for doing so)
This sums up this story pretty well. These people essentially challenged the school rules and then the daughter had egg on her face as the school didn't compromise their standards.
The school sounds as if they tried to help her out in the situation by providing a shawl or something, but the girl didn't deal with the rejection of her dress very well and she left. It's unfortunate, but it sounds as if guidelines were clear enough to have avoided this situation. There are several tasteful designs that could have suited this girl's body type without leaving the boobs so visible. Obviously, those designs were not pursued.
As the thread title suggests, the mom is trying to blame the school instead of looking in the mirror as she let her daughter out of the house and set up for failure. Take responsibility, man. Take responsibility.
Those freaks add a little extra to the world - in the end I don't mind. .... It is weird though. I mean, you don't see those Walmart people anywhere else in society. Just in Walmart.... :?
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I think they live there... it's sort of like some sort of strange prison or something.
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Again... I don't know the whole history of this thing... i don't know if the rule was in place in the 1950s or if they were enacted this year because some hoochie mammas showed up last year wearing tube tops as dresses.
I don't think it singles out large breasted girls, rather, ALL girls. If ANY girl, regardless of bust size, shows up with the following combination: sleeveless AND cleavage... she will be told to cover up. She had choices... a sleeved dress showing some cleavage... or a sleeveless dress showing no clevage. She CHOSE the combination of Sleeveless AND Cleavage.
The only way we can really understand this is to find out exactly WHY this dress code requirement is in place.
...
Also, i wonder if there is a dress code stipulation that the boys belt must be at the waist, not around the thighs. We would all know why/how that got into the dress code.
Hail, Hail!!!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22847008
The fact that small breasted women do not have cleavage does not matter. The only difference is they can wear a sleeveless dress and get away with it simply because they have no cleavage. Is that fair? I think so. I doesn't mean they can wear anything to the Prom... like, no pasties or electrical tape across their nipples. They must also follow the same dress code.
To me, it's like saying the speed limit is discriminatory against a Ferrari. Because a 1962 VW Bus cannot go 162 MPH, why should the Ferrari have to drive 65 MPH to appease the VW? The rules are in place for whatever reason and until it is changed, people have to comply or face the consequences of disobeying them.
Hail, Hail!!!
It just comes down to saying "OK, these are the parameters by which I can go to the prom". And she did, she accepted those parameter. She covered up, then chose to leave.
I dunno, maybe times are different, but at that age (hell, even now!), I had no problem finding dressy clothes that didn't bare most of me. And if not? Scarf and other ways around it.
And no, it's not fair if some people can wear sleeveless top and other can't because their bodies are different. No. That's not okay. But anyway, we have definitely both said everything we can say on the matter, and never the twain shall meet.
The point is rules are rules. Ferraris and VW Busses are both cars with different capabilities. A VW Bus cannot reach the speeds of a Ferrari, even if it were pushed out on an airplane.
The large breasted girl and the small breasted girl are both girls. A small breasted girl couldn't show cleavage, even if she wanted to. She is still a girl and even if she has no breasts at all... she STILL is required to wear a top. Is that unfair? No, it is just the way things are for her.
...
This girl... no, actually, HER PARENTS need to teach her that you cannot do whatever you want... just because you want to. Welcome to the Human Race... we live in a society that has rules we need to abide because we don't get to make the rules to fit our wants.
Her parents should know that the rules are in place and she needs to follow them if she wishes to participate in this part of society.
Or... her and her parents can pay to have their own prom and make whatever rules they want... and anyone going to their prom has to abide bytheir rules.
Hail, Hail!!!
No, but seriously, when a rule is stupid or unfair or discriminatory, I think it's important for people to fight against that rule, not bow down before it.
If it is THAT important to her, then she should take it up. They can hire a lawyer and sue the school... and when they lose, they should have to pay court costs and the school's legal bills.
...
Personally, I think she is acting like a spoiled little shit. She can still wear that dress out to a formal dinner or a wedding or to church or whatever else y'all wear those dresses to. The dress isn't against the law... she is still free to wear it where ever she wants. She is trying to make it a bigger deal than it is.
And her parents... i think they are acting like assholes.
Hail, Hail!!!
Which is what her damn parents should have told her.
I have some women that are ample in the girly curves that look GREAT in clothes that suit them well.
and i have see girls that are wearing things they... welll, they really should NOT be wearing.
...
From a woman's perspective... an Olympic Swimmer or Water Polo dude in Speedos probably looks pretty good to you gals, right?
A guy with the same shape and landscaping features as Ron Jeremy (without the offsetting package) in Speedos... well... what?
Hail, Hail!!!
I know... but, sometimes, there SHOULD be laws against that.
Just go to the local Wal-Mart.
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i rest my case.
Hail, Hail!!!
I think they live there... it's sort of like some sort of strange prison or something.
Hail, Hail!!!
Both of you:
(and true about rule-breaking - I've flouted my share of them...but I also know I have to pay the price, without whining, for doing so)
This sums up this story pretty well. These people essentially challenged the school rules and then the daughter had egg on her face as the school didn't compromise their standards.
The school sounds as if they tried to help her out in the situation by providing a shawl or something, but the girl didn't deal with the rejection of her dress very well and she left. It's unfortunate, but it sounds as if guidelines were clear enough to have avoided this situation. There are several tasteful designs that could have suited this girl's body type without leaving the boobs so visible. Obviously, those designs were not pursued.
As the thread title suggests, the mom is trying to blame the school instead of looking in the mirror as she let her daughter out of the house and set up for failure. Take responsibility, man. Take responsibility.
Pfftt... get the right bra and even an A cup can manage decent cleavage!
Absolutely.
I just can't believe this was even a 'news' item. Ah well... she got her 15 minutes of fame....
IBTL?!
HAA HAA YESSS!!
I concur!
A strange prison indeed.