Edit: Mayor Rob Ford admits to smoking crack

Thirty Bills Unpaid

DarthMaeglin said:

Please believe me, it saddens me that I've felt I needed to chime in here and try to make the points that I've attempted.

As I've tried to say, give some time to respect the dead and celebrate what they accomplished in life, saving further criticisms for a later date.

That said, I'm going to step away from this thread for the time being, and if I've offended anyone, please accept my sincere apologies, but please also try to hear what I've been saying with an open mind.

You have offended nobody.

If you have... that is their issue. You have been fine.

PJfanwillneverleave1

polaris_x said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

DarthMaeglin said:

polaris_x said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Rest in peace, Rob, he fought his cancer bravely, but I feel we also need to acknowledge that, by all reports he did overcome his addiction issues, which is an accomplishment in itself. Granted, it took time for him to own up to them and face his addictions (which is typical of most addicts), but since he checked himself into rehab, there've been zero stories about any sort of relapse.

I always supported his policies, but admit that his "antics" became less and less defensible over time. I was proud of him, though, that when he finally faced his demons he overcame them, only to be given the sucker punch of the cancer diagnosis.

Again, all sympathy to his family and friends, as well as Ford Nation.

i don't think there is anything to prove he overcame any addictions ... this is a guy who entered a very public weight loss challenge with his brother and was busted for going to kfc in the middle of the night ... his demons were very strong ...

this is not meant to kick him down only that he doesn't really deserve anymore praise for stuff he didn't really do ...

I'm curious as to your sources, beyond his pre-rehab behaviour.

I'm sorry, but living in Toronto, I can't help but believe that if he'd returned to his drug-using ways there would have been reports or (more likely) some more hidden camera video surface of that behaviour.

I'm not sure that those who don't live in this city realize the local media treatment of our former mayor, but for me it was at times disgusting (especially the "warrior princess episode). Given that history, I have to believe that, as I said, if he fallen off the wagon we would've been sure to know.

As someone trying to quit cigarettes, I know well how strong addictions can be, but also know they can be beaten.

I also think part of my problem here is people commenting in this thread, calling someone a fuckhead on the very day that person died, without a hint of compassion for the man.

This is the very deep hatred that liberals always carry and show whenever they want. They refuse to believe that their inner core is vile hate against someone who does not act like them. Knock a liberal when their dead and watch out! Racist!

classic

His death has upstaged the recent Liberal Budget release.
He would be proud.

lukin2006

PJ_Soul said:

lukin2006 said:

PJ_Soul said:

^^ Lol!
And I've done coke too. So?
When you are talking about a politician who is in office and has a crack problem, I'd say that only an idiot wouldn't care about that.
But at any rate, the drug use isn't the only thing I've been talking about and isn't even my main focus. But nevertheless... a crack addict. In office. Come on. Raise your standards just a bit. We should expect more of the people who are running the show.

Then you'll be disappointed more often than not when it comes to politicians. How many politicians are slamming back booze on a nightly basis. Amazing how our society decides what substance is worse than others. And when it comes to electing politicians our society has no standards...here in Canada federally and provincially we elect either the liberals or conservative more times than not...yeah they've done such terrific job.

Yes indeed I am disappointed more often than not when it comes to politicians. That is an understatement. I feel like a politician who is actually simply a decent human being an absolute phenomenon. And that means what? That because politicians are generally scum, I should be cool with politicians being corrupt, lying crack addict scum? Or, if it makes you feel better to mention it foe the sake of equality, i should be cool with corrupt, lying, alcoholic scum, as the case may be?

I'm not saying we have to settle, but would it have hurt to elect the NDP federally in the last general election.

tempo_n_groove

I'm not sure whom this Ford person is but here in the US we had a mayor Barry get CAUGHT on film for smoking crack and the people STILL re elected him...

PJfanwillneverleave1

tempo_n_groove said:

I'm not sure whom this Ford person is but here in the US we had a mayor Barry get CAUGHT on film for smoking crack and the people STILL re elected him...

Don't worry about it.
He was an elected mayor who the libs loved to hate, even in death.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

tempo_n_groove said:

I'm not sure whom this Ford person is but here in the US we had a mayor Barry get CAUGHT on film for smoking crack and the people STILL re elected him...

It takes a special breed of people to elect a guy that smokes crack to be their mayor.

Really really special.

PJfanwillneverleave1

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

tempo_n_groove said:

I'm not sure whom this Ford person is but here in the US we had a mayor Barry get CAUGHT on film for smoking crack and the people STILL re elected him...

It takes a special breed of people to elect a guy that smokes crack to be their mayor.

Really really special.

Not unlike people who vote in a majority on the promise of free weed.

PJ_Soul

lukin2006 said:

PJ_Soul said:

lukin2006 said:

PJ_Soul said:

^^ Lol!
And I've done coke too. So?
When you are talking about a politician who is in office and has a crack problem, I'd say that only an idiot wouldn't care about that.
But at any rate, the drug use isn't the only thing I've been talking about and isn't even my main focus. But nevertheless... a crack addict. In office. Come on. Raise your standards just a bit. We should expect more of the people who are running the show.

Then you'll be disappointed more often than not when it comes to politicians. How many politicians are slamming back booze on a nightly basis. Amazing how our society decides what substance is worse than others. And when it comes to electing politicians our society has no standards...here in Canada federally and provincially we elect either the liberals or conservative more times than not...yeah they've done such terrific job.

Yes indeed I am disappointed more often than not when it comes to politicians. That is an understatement. I feel like a politician who is actually simply a decent human being an absolute phenomenon. And that means what? That because politicians are generally scum, I should be cool with politicians being corrupt, lying crack addict scum? Or, if it makes you feel better to mention it foe the sake of equality, i should be cool with corrupt, lying, alcoholic scum, as the case may be?

I'm not saying we have to settle, but would it have hurt to elect the NDP federally in the last general election.

Oh, haha, I did not realize that that was what you were getting at.
Yes, well, I have always been an NDPer, but I did vote liberal in the last election. I felt like shit was getting crazy with Harper, and it was a strategic vote for me, and many others. And I actually think it was and is the best thing for Canada right now. Mulcair simply didn't have what Canada needed at this time. The country needed a PM like Trudeau at this particular point IMO. Badly. I feel like the national psyche was hitting a weird low. If the wonderful Jack Layton had lived, he is who we would have needed... or actually, he likely would have won in the previous election and we wouldn't have had to be worrying about it anyhow. I wish.
All in all, I think Trudeau is doing a good job. There are obviously concerns that people have about the budget, fairly so, but one must admit that, even if they don't like the spending plan, the Libs are at least being reasonably as open and straightforward as they can about it. Meanwhile, some movement and much more focused discussion is happening on a more social level (refugees, gender equality, Aboriginal issues, Canada/US relations, euthanasia, legalization of marijuana, government transparency, climate change, etc etc, as well as that optimistic vibe that everyone is paying attention to), which, after a decade of Harper, is like a breath of fresh air.

PJ_Soul

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

tempo_n_groove said:

I'm not sure whom this Ford person is but here in the US we had a mayor Barry get CAUGHT on film for smoking crack and the people STILL re elected him...

It takes a special breed of people to elect a guy that smokes crack to be their mayor.

Really really special.

Yeah, it's pretty fucked up.

dignin

tempo_n_groove said:

I'm not sure whom this Ford person is but here in the US we had a mayor Barry get CAUGHT on film for smoking crack and the people STILL re elected him...

He was kinda like the Trump of the north....with serious addiction issues. And Rob Ford was also caught smoking crack on film...twice.

tempo_n_groove

dignin said:

tempo_n_groove said:

I'm not sure whom this Ford person is but here in the US we had a mayor Barry get CAUGHT on film for smoking crack and the people STILL re elected him...

He was kinda like the Trump of the north....with serious addiction issues. And Rob Ford was also caught smoking crack on film...twice.

Marion Barry was the Trump of the north?

dignin

tempo_n_groove said:

dignin said:

tempo_n_groove said:

I'm not sure whom this Ford person is but here in the US we had a mayor Barry get CAUGHT on film for smoking crack and the people STILL re elected him...

He was kinda like the Trump of the north....with serious addiction issues. And Rob Ford was also caught smoking crack on film...twice.

Marion Barry was the Trump of the north?

I thought it was pretty clear we are talking about Ford.

BS44325

PJ_Soul said:

lukin2006 said:

PJ_Soul said:

lukin2006 said:

PJ_Soul said:

^^ Lol!
And I've done coke too. So?
When you are talking about a politician who is in office and has a crack problem, I'd say that only an idiot wouldn't care about that.
But at any rate, the drug use isn't the only thing I've been talking about and isn't even my main focus. But nevertheless... a crack addict. In office. Come on. Raise your standards just a bit. We should expect more of the people who are running the show.

Then you'll be disappointed more often than not when it comes to politicians. How many politicians are slamming back booze on a nightly basis. Amazing how our society decides what substance is worse than others. And when it comes to electing politicians our society has no standards...here in Canada federally and provincially we elect either the liberals or conservative more times than not...yeah they've done such terrific job.

Yes indeed I am disappointed more often than not when it comes to politicians. That is an understatement. I feel like a politician who is actually simply a decent human being an absolute phenomenon. And that means what? That because politicians are generally scum, I should be cool with politicians being corrupt, lying crack addict scum? Or, if it makes you feel better to mention it foe the sake of equality, i should be cool with corrupt, lying, alcoholic scum, as the case may be?

I'm not saying we have to settle, but would it have hurt to elect the NDP federally in the last general election.

Oh, haha, I did not realize that that was what you were getting at.
Yes, well, I have always been an NDPer, but I did vote liberal in the last election. I felt like shit was getting crazy with Harper, and it was a strategic vote for me, and many others. And I actually think it was and is the best thing for Canada right now. Mulcair simply didn't have what Canada needed at this time. The country needed a PM like Trudeau at this particular point IMO. Badly. I feel like the national psyche was hitting a weird low. If the wonderful Jack Layton had lived, he is who we would have needed... or actually, he likely would have won in the previous election and we wouldn't have had to be worrying about it anyhow. I wish.
All in all, I think Trudeau is doing a good job. There are obviously concerns that people have about the budget, fairly so, but one must admit that, even if they don't like the spending plan, the Libs are at least being reasonably as open and straightforward as they can about it. Meanwhile, some movement and much more focused discussion is happening on a more social level (refugees, gender equality, Aboriginal issues, Canada/US relations, euthanasia, legalization of marijuana, government transparency, climate change, etc etc, as well as that optimistic vibe that everyone is paying attention to), which, after a decade of Harper, is like a breath of fresh air.

Trudeau's spending addiction will hurt more then Ford's crack addiction but it appears you'll be getting too high off of it to notice.

PJ_Soul

I am not sure what that is supposed to mean (the me getting too high to notice part). I think i'll write it off as a dumb, meaningless comment. That does, however, remind me of the huge amount of tax revenue that legalized weed will bring. What a great idea!

I do understand that you are a fiscal conservative. I am not.
I wonder if you would have been one when the public works plan during the depression was conceived during the depression in the US?
I think that investing in infrastructure and creating more economic diversity is a legitimate concept. I don't know if it will end up working in the long run, nor if it will be something to blame any future instability on. We'll see. But it seems like a better idea than putting all our eggs in one basket and creating an over-reliance on our oil industry.

BS44325

PJ_Soul said:

I am not sure what that is supposed to mean (the me getting too high to notice part). I think i'll write it off as a dumb, meaningless comment. That does, however, remind me of the huge amount of tax revenue that legalized weed will bring. What a great idea!

I do understand that you are a fiscal conservative. I am not.
I wonder if you would have been one when the public works plan during the depression was conceived during the depression in the US?
I think that investing in infrastructure and creating more economic diversity is a legitimate concept. I don't know if it will end up working in the long run, nor if it will be something to blame any future instability on. We'll see. But it seems like a better idea than putting all our eggs in one basket and creating an over-reliance on our oil industry.

Pretty straight forward...getting high off the spending. It is a pretty classic example of throwing around money on issues because it makes us feel good...makes us feel like good citizens...like we're doing something right and just. The problem is throwing money around solves nothing, the high is fleeting, the problems continue, so we need to spend more to keep feeling good about ourselves. Addicted to spending.

PJ_Soul

BS44325 said:

PJ_Soul said:

I am not sure what that is supposed to mean (the me getting too high to notice part). I think i'll write it off as a dumb, meaningless comment. That does, however, remind me of the huge amount of tax revenue that legalized weed will bring. What a great idea!

I do understand that you are a fiscal conservative. I am not.
I wonder if you would have been one when the public works plan during the depression was conceived during the depression in the US?
I think that investing in infrastructure and creating more economic diversity is a legitimate concept. I don't know if it will end up working in the long run, nor if it will be something to blame any future instability on. We'll see. But it seems like a better idea than putting all our eggs in one basket and creating an over-reliance on our oil industry.

Pretty straight forward...getting high off the spending. It is a pretty classic example of throwing around money on issues because it makes us feel good...makes us feel like good citizens...like we're doing something right and just. The problem is throwing money around solves nothing, the high is fleeting, the problems continue, so we need to spend more to keep feeling good about ourselves. Addicted to spending.

I already knew what you meant (and disagree). I was only talking about not understanding the stupid cheap shot you took.

BS44325

Went to the Leaf game last night. There was a nice tribute to Rob Ford followed by a warm ovation from the crowd. All around me people were only speaking positively about him. Those who don't live in Toronto will never comprehend how well liked the Mayor was.

PJ_Soul

BS44325 said:

Went to the Leaf game last night. There was a nice tribute to Rob Ford followed by a warm ovation from the crowd. All around me people were only speaking positively about him. Those who don't live in Toronto will never comprehend how well liked the Mayor was.

All that tells me is that, as usual, people are huge hypocrites in the face of death.

lukin2006

Remember they are leaf fans after all...

Thirty Bills Unpaid

lukin2006 said:

Remember they are leaf fans after all...

Beaten down, tired, and suckers for punishment.

And not very good looking as well.