My petty Pearl Jam pet peeve...

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  • october22
    october22 Posts: 2,533
    DewieCox wrote:
    PJStatTracker wrote:
    I get what the intention is, it just doesn't make any sense.

    To have an aforementioned verse, you have to mention a verse. He mentions moss - what he really means to say is "that's the aforementioned moss in the previous verse."


    It makes perfect sense, and I don't think it breaks any grammar rules. You don't have to say "verse" for it to be aforementioned. Once he sings the verse it becomes aforementioned.

    I disagree and this is exactly why this line has always been a little annoying (besides it just being awkward). The moss would be aforementioned, not the verse. Aforementioned doesn't mean "something that has preceded something else" it means "previously cited". He's called our attention to the moss in the earlier verse so it has been cited and can be referred to as aforementioned. However, simply singing a verse is not citing the verse unless you specifically reference the verse itself during that time, which he doesn't.
  • mydogmookieblaylock
    mydogmookieblaylock Posts: 2,996
    ole




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  • DewieCox
    DewieCox Posts: 11,432
    october22 wrote:
    I disagree and this is exactly why this line has always been a little annoying (besides it just being awkward). The moss would be aforementioned, not the verse. Aforementioned doesn't mean "something that has preceded something else" it means "previously cited". He's called our attention to the moss in the earlier verse so it has been cited and can be referred to as aforementioned. However, simply singing a verse is not citing the verse unless you specifically reference the verse itself during that time, which he doesn't.

    I get what you're saying, but it doesn't have to be that specific. I thought, hell, I might be completely wrong and decided to look it up and it can be used both ways.

    Either way, he wouldn't be the first songwriter to stretch the rules and all in all it's much more effective the way he worded it.
  • jjflash
    jjflash Posts: 5,065
    I thought the only Pearl Jam-related petty was Tom ;)
  • PJStatTracker
    PJStatTracker Posts: 2,400
    DewieCox wrote:
    october22 wrote:
    I disagree and this is exactly why this line has always been a little annoying (besides it just being awkward). The moss would be aforementioned, not the verse. Aforementioned doesn't mean "something that has preceded something else" it means "previously cited". He's called our attention to the moss in the earlier verse so it has been cited and can be referred to as aforementioned. However, simply singing a verse is not citing the verse unless you specifically reference the verse itself during that time, which he doesn't.

    I get what you're saying, but it doesn't have to be that specific. I thought, hell, I might be completely wrong and decided to look it up and it can be used both ways.

    Either way, he wouldn't be the first songwriter to stretch the rules and all in all it's much more effective the way he worded it.

    Well, no doubt that nerdy conversations about grammar don't have a real place in rock n' roll. Otherwise Wishlist would be a complete disaster. But it's a great song, as is who you are, regardless of how I feel about that one word.

    Out of curiosity, though, where have you found that "aforementioned" can be used in this way. I would love to find out I'm wrong as that line has always bugged me.
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  • RKCNDY
    RKCNDY Posts: 31,013
    well, if you wanna be all technical, it's not a 'wheel' on a boat, it's a 'helm'... :ugeek:
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  • october22
    october22 Posts: 2,533
    PJStatTracker wrote:
    Well, no doubt that nerdy conversations about grammar don't have a real place in rock n' roll. Otherwise Wishlist would be a complete disaster. But it's a great song, as is who you are, regardless of how I feel about that one word.


    haha, very true. I really don't give a fuck. I only nerd out for sport. Could you imagine if I was an Alanis Morisette fan?? "Isn't it ironic?" No, bitch, it isn't!!!
  • green_girl
    green_girl Posts: 931
    october22 wrote:
    PJStatTracker wrote:
    Well, no doubt that nerdy conversations about grammar don't have a real place in rock n' roll. Otherwise Wishlist would be a complete disaster. But it's a great song, as is who you are, regardless of how I feel about that one word.


    haha, very true. I really don't give a fuck. I only nerd out for sport. Could you imagine if I was an Alanis Morisette fan?? "Isn't it ironic?" No, bitch, it isn't!!!


    HAHAHA. yeah, the entire premise of that song is bass ackward.

    (btw, nerds are hot.)
  • Black73
    Black73 Posts: 1,018
    october22 wrote:
    PJStatTracker wrote:
    Well, no doubt that nerdy conversations about grammar don't have a real place in rock n' roll. Otherwise Wishlist would be a complete disaster. But it's a great song, as is who you are, regardless of how I feel about that one word.


    haha, very true. I really don't give a fuck. I only nerd out for sport. Could you imagine if I was an Alanis Morisette fan?? "Isn't it ironic?" No, bitch, it isn't!!!
    Anyone remember when MTV showed videos, and they had that greasy cabby in their commercials? "It's like rain, on a rainy day!"

    Also liked his Black Dog version: "Hey hey Mama said the way you move, gonna make you sweat, gonna make you....sweat!"
  • DH62179
    DH62179 Posts: 312
    Reading this back-and-forth about 'the moss' I'm reminded of the guys in the bleachers from the movie Major League. After a home run they argue for several minutes whether it was 'too high' or 'too far' or something like that and one guy finally says 'who gives a shit, it's gone.'
  • veddertown
    veddertown Scotland Posts: 5,260
    "Here's one for the serious collector." *insert easily accessible track from Lost Dogs*

    Black: "Can't it be miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnneeeeee..." Only needs to last a few seconds. Too long ruins it, Hamilton 11's version was almost a piss break.

    The Who covers... :sick:

    Amongst The Waves.... :roll:
    Like a book among the many on a shelf...

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  • idratherbe
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    mydogmookieblaylock wrote:
    ole




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    Now THAT was funny. :D :clap: :thumbup:
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  • DH62179
    DH62179 Posts: 312
    veddertown wrote:
    "Here's one for the serious collector." *insert easily accessible track from Lost Dogs*

    Black: "Can't it be miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnneeeeee..." Only needs to last a few seconds. Too long ruins it, Hamilton 11's version was almost a piss break.

    The Who covers... :sick:

    Amongst The Waves.... :roll:

    Yeah Ed said that before playing Leatherman I believe at a show I was at. He said 'I don't think I even own a copy of this...' My brother and I just looked at each other like 'OK?...' :?
  • PJStatTracker
    PJStatTracker Posts: 2,400
    DH62179 wrote:
    Reading this back-and-forth about 'the moss' I'm reminded of the guys in the bleachers from the movie Major League. After a home run they argue for several minutes whether it was 'too high' or 'too far' or something like that and one guy finally says 'who gives a shit, it's gone.'

    That pretty much sums it up!
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  • Kimmiebyrom
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    mydogmookieblaylock wrote:
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    Heh. Fawking greatness.
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  • nevmiles
    nevmiles Ottawa, ON Posts: 1,363
    october22 wrote:


    haha, very true. I really don't give a fuck. I only nerd out for sport. Could you imagine if I was an Alanis Morisette fan?? "Isn't it ironic?" No, bitch, it isn't!!!

    Ed Byrne takes care of the Alanis slagging for you! great skit.....
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nT1TVSTkAXg

    I like this thread though! I think we have a right to dissect lyrics and their grammatical correctness . . . while song writing has some leeway, it's fun to find mistakes....
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  • Suziemay
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    jjflash wrote:
    I thought the only Pearl Jam-related petty was Tom ;)
    :lol::lol::lol:

    I totally thought that was what OP was going to gripe about

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