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ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
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Glenn Greenwald on Bill Maher's HBO show "Real Time", discussing the subject of Islam:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYG7GR13 ... dded#at=13
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  • badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Glenn Greenwald on Bill Maher's HBO show "Real Time", discussing the subject of Islam:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYG7GR13 ... dded#at=13

    :clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    i watched this friday night. it was refreshing to see maher get his ass handed to him. finally.

    maher, who mocks religion at every turn, somehow seems to hold christianity above it all in this segment. he made an entire movie denouncing religion and here he is implying that christianity has less blood on its hands.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,055
    All good cranks, curmudgeons and iconoclasts should offend everybody at least once.
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  • satansbedsatansbed Posts: 2,139
    Bill maher is no Chris hitchens, Chris would be handed his ass back to him.

    I miss Chris
  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    I saw it Friday too. Bill Maher can be a pompous ass, even though I sometimes like him, and he needs to be put in his place, just like everyone else.
  • g under pg under p Posts: 18,196
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Glenn Greenwald on Bill Maher's HBO show "Real Time", discussing the subject of Islam:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYG7GR13 ... dded#at=13


    Hmmmm, I liked that well done G. :clap::clap::clap:
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  • chadwickchadwick Posts: 21,157
    g under p wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Glenn Greenwald on Bill Maher's HBO show "Real Time", discussing the subject of Islam:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYG7GR13 ... dded#at=13


    Hmmmm, I liked that well done G. :clap::clap::clap:
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  • kenny olavkenny olav Posts: 3,319
    I don't think Bill Maher is always on point, but I don't think he's wrong to say that Islam is currently creating more problems than other religions.

    And Muslims certainly don't have the moral high ground over Israel. You'd be much better off growing up in Tel Aviv than in Riyadh or Tehran, particularly if you were born female.

    But ultimately, all humans are savage beasts and we don't need religion to act out our savage impulses. Religion just helps create a supposedly righteous cause for the ways in which we oppress each other.
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    kenny olav wrote:
    I don't think Bill Maher is always on point, but I don't think he's wrong to say that Islam is currently creating more problems than other religions.

    And Muslims certainly don't have the moral high ground over Israel. You'd be much better off growing up in Tel Aviv than in Riyadh or Tehran, particularly if you were born female.

    But ultimately, all humans are savage beasts and we don't need religion to act out our savage impulses. Religion just helps create a supposedly righteous cause for the ways in which we oppress each other.

    What Muslim country has been occupying and subjugating another country for the past 60 years?

    When was the last time Iran attacked anyone?

    You think Muslim women feel themselves to be oppressed? If Islam is so tyrannical then why do 28.73 % of the Worlds population subscribe to it? You think Muslims follow that religion because they're forced to, or do they adhere to it out of choice?
  • satansbedsatansbed Posts: 2,139
    Byrnzie wrote:
    kenny olav wrote:
    I don't think Bill Maher is always on point, but I don't think he's wrong to say that Islam is currently creating more problems than other religions.

    And Muslims certainly don't have the moral high ground over Israel. You'd be much better off growing up in Tel Aviv than in Riyadh or Tehran, particularly if you were born female.

    But ultimately, all humans are savage beasts and we don't need religion to act out our savage impulses. Religion just helps create a supposedly righteous cause for the ways in which we oppress each other.

    What Muslim country has been occupying and subjugating another country for the past 60 years?

    When was the last time Iran attacked anyone?

    You think Muslim women feel themselves to be oppressed? If Islam is so tyrannical then why do 28.73 % of the Worlds population subscribe to it? You think Muslims follow that religion because they're forced to, or do they adhere to it out of choice?

    On the last point, it's brainwashing like all religions.
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    satansbed wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    kenny olav wrote:
    I don't think Bill Maher is always on point, but I don't think he's wrong to say that Islam is currently creating more problems than other religions.

    And Muslims certainly don't have the moral high ground over Israel. You'd be much better off growing up in Tel Aviv than in Riyadh or Tehran, particularly if you were born female.

    But ultimately, all humans are savage beasts and we don't need religion to act out our savage impulses. Religion just helps create a supposedly righteous cause for the ways in which we oppress each other.

    What Muslim country has been occupying and subjugating another country for the past 60 years?

    When was the last time Iran attacked anyone?

    You think Muslim women feel themselves to be oppressed? If Islam is so tyrannical then why do 28.73 % of the Worlds population subscribe to it? You think Muslims follow that religion because they're forced to, or do they adhere to it out of choice?

    On the last point, it's brainwashing like all religions.

    Not just religions. Are they any more brainwashed than the rest of us?

    I mean, we think we're free, yet we have to set alarm clocks to get up every day to do jobs that most of us hate, doing things for other people. And we are constantly being told what we can and cannot do.

    So what's the difference?
  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,173
    Byrnzie wrote:

    I mean, we think we're free, yet we have to set alarm clocks to get up every day to do jobs that most of us hate, doing things for other people. And we are constantly being told what we can and cannot do.

    I don't do that because I am not free, I do that because many of the things I want in life are not free. We are all free to drop off the grid and live off the land somewhere. That we choose not to does not make us brainwashed or oppressed.
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  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    JimmyV wrote:
    We are all free to drop off the grid and live off the land somewhere.

    Are we though? I've never met anyone who has. The system in which we live has 99.9% of us by the balls.
  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,173
    Byrnzie wrote:
    JimmyV wrote:
    We are all free to drop off the grid and live off the land somewhere.

    Are we though? I've never met anyone who has. The system in which we live has 99.9% of us by the balls.

    That's because living off the land is terrible. ;):D
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  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    Byrnzie wrote:
    JimmyV wrote:
    We are all free to drop off the grid and live off the land somewhere.

    Are we though? I've never met anyone who has. The system in which we live has 99.9% of us by the balls.

    Look at how Chris McCandless ended up...
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,055
    My guess is that we don't know people who live off the land because most people living off the land don't want to be known. While hiking one year I came upon a fellow who said he spent much of his time living in the wilderness. He was friendly enough but really didn't want to spend much time talking. Also, when I was living on the Olympic Peninsula in WA, I was told that there are people who living in the Olympic Wilderness but rarely make contact with the outside world. I don't know if this is true but the wild man in me hopes it is.

    Wow! How did we get from Bill Maher to here?

    Getting back on subject, Maher may not always be right on to my way of thinking but I admire him for his courage to speak out about things that many people shy away from. I like the way he challenges our thinking on many subjects and I like his sense of humor. I don't have to agree wholly with someone to respect them for their opinions. That's why earlier I mentioned Edward Abbey. I strongly disagree with some of the things Abbey said but for the most part I think he was one of the greatest of America's writers, thinkers and cultural/political/environmental critics. We need people like Abbey and like Maher and others. The intelligent ones, that is.
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  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    edited May 2013
    brianlux wrote:
    Getting back on subject, Maher may not always be right on to my way of thinking but I admire him for his courage to speak out about things that many people shy away from. I like the way he challenges our thinking on many subjects and I like his sense of humor.

    Watching his documentary 'Religulous', I thought it was quite funny and spot-on at first, but by the end it struck me that when he didn't get his own way he acted like a petulant, spoiled little child.
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  • cp3iversoncp3iverson Posts: 8,693
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Not just religions. Are they any more brainwashed than the rest of us?

    I mean, we think we're free, yet we have to set alarm clocks to get up every day to do jobs that most of us hate, doing things for other people. And we are constantly being told what we can and cannot do.

    So what's the difference?

    I love my job. Love waking up in the morning for it. I guess i'm free.....or a happy brainwashed person.
  • IdrisIdris Posts: 2,317
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  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    cp3iverson wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Not just religions. Are they any more brainwashed than the rest of us?

    I mean, we think we're free, yet we have to set alarm clocks to get up every day to do jobs that most of us hate, doing things for other people. And we are constantly being told what we can and cannot do.

    So what's the difference?

    I love my job. Love waking up in the morning for it. I guess i'm free.....or a happy brainwashed person.


    Does spending a lifetime collecting stuff we don't need constitute freedom? I'm not so sure. The bottom line is, we're indoctrinated from an early age to live the lives we do. I don't see much difference in that than for people in any other part of the modern World, religious or not.
    In the West we're told to buy stuff and work 40 hours a week. In the Middle East people are told to pray to Allah five times a day.
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,958
    kenny olav wrote:
    I don't think Bill Maher is always on point, but I don't think he's wrong to say that Islam is currently creating more problems than other religions.

    And Muslims certainly don't have the moral high ground over Israel. You'd be much better off growing up in Tel Aviv than in Riyadh or Tehran, particularly if you were born female.

    But ultimately, all humans are savage beasts and we don't need religion to act out our savage impulses. Religion just helps create a supposedly righteous cause for the ways in which we oppress each other.
    +1
    But I think the argument of "you think my religion is bad? What about YOUR religion?" argument is weak. It's a two wrongs make a right argument. Not good!
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    Jeanwah wrote:
    Look at how Chris McCandless ended up...
    His death could have easily been avoided if he learned basic survival skills. Heading into the Alaska bush w/ a .22 rifle and a sack of rice is insanity.
  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,173
    Byrnzie wrote:
    cp3iverson wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Not just religions. Are they any more brainwashed than the rest of us?

    I mean, we think we're free, yet we have to set alarm clocks to get up every day to do jobs that most of us hate, doing things for other people. And we are constantly being told what we can and cannot do.

    So what's the difference?

    I love my job. Love waking up in the morning for it. I guess i'm free.....or a happy brainwashed person.


    Does spending a lifetime collecting stuff we don't need constitute freedom? I'm not so sure. The bottom line is, we're indoctrinated from an early age to live the lives we do. I don't see much difference in that than for people in any other part of the modern World, religious or not.
    In the West we're told to buy stuff and work 40 hours a week. In the Middle East people are told to pray to Allah five times a day.

    Whether we need stuff or not, we spend our lives collecting stuff we want. We are free to collect as much or as little as we want. It is each individual's choice and they are free to make it on their own.
    ___________________________________________

    "...I changed by not changing at all..."
  • cp3iversoncp3iverson Posts: 8,693
    Jason P wrote:
    Jeanwah wrote:
    Look at how Chris McCandless ended up...
    His death could have easily been avoided if he learned basic survival skills. Heading into the Alaska bush w/ a .22 rifle and a sack of rice is insanity.

    Yeah had he not been so immature or naive he could still be there today.
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    JimmyV wrote:
    Whether we need stuff or not, we spend our lives collecting stuff we want. We are free to collect as much or as little as we want. It is each individual's choice and they are free to make it on their own.

    Tell that to the advertising agencies that spend billions every year on trying to convince us to buy their shit. You must know something they don't.
  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,173
    Byrnzie wrote:
    JimmyV wrote:
    Whether we need stuff or not, we spend our lives collecting stuff we want. We are free to collect as much or as little as we want. It is each individual's choice and they are free to make it on their own.

    Tell that to the advertising agencies that spend billions every year on trying to convince us to buy their shit. You must know something they don't.

    Tell what to them? They are trying to sell their products. I decide which, if any, I choose to buy. The choice is mine. If it wasn't I would be buying Taco Bell everyday.
    ___________________________________________

    "...I changed by not changing at all..."
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,958
    cp3iverson wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    Jeanwah wrote:
    Look at how Chris McCandless ended up...
    His death could have easily been avoided if he learned basic survival skills. Heading into the Alaska bush w/ a .22 rifle and a sack of rice is insanity.

    Yeah had he not been so immature or naive he could still be there today.
    I agree. I was better prepared when I went camping for a week in the backcountry. I can appreciate why he went and everything - that he wanted to do that is admirable. But he was stupid not to be better prepared, and what I really don't admire is that he refused to contact his family, just once, to simply let them know he was a live (until he wasn't). A postcard with nothing but his signature at least. I know he had issues with the folks, but they didn't beat him or sexually abuse him, and they loved him. The least he could have done is not torture them by simply disappearing. That is why I am not an admirer of McCandless.

    .... now what are we talking about again?? Oh, right. Maher loses a fight...... kind of but not really. IMO they both lost. Arguing for any religion, especially in the he said she said, comparative kind of way, is a pointless endeavor. They're ALL wrong! .... But Bill does have a point. It is the Muslim religion that is wreaking havoc right now, and the one that is currently suppressing women to a high degree. I don't give a flying fuck what the Christians or anyone else used to do, or what some cult also does if we're talking about the wrongs of Islam (radical and otherwise). That makes no difference. Islam is a growing religion that is definitely presently maintaining and giving rise to many disturbing problems in the world. That is undeniable, and talking about past Christian atrosities or the hypocrisies in today's Catholic Church, etc etc doesn't change that fact (but i'm happy to discuss how warped other religions are in another thread). I wish all religion could be wiped away completely.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,958
    JimmyV wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    JimmyV wrote:
    Whether we need stuff or not, we spend our lives collecting stuff we want. We are free to collect as much or as little as we want. It is each individual's choice and they are free to make it on their own.

    Tell that to the advertising agencies that spend billions every year on trying to convince us to buy their shit. You must know something they don't.

    Tell what to them? They are trying to sell their products. I decide which, if any, I choose to buy. The choice is mine. If it wasn't I would be buying Taco Bell everyday.
    Yeah, Kraft keeps on trying to force me to buy Cheez Whiz.... it's been a really tough battle, but so far I've been able to fight them off and not purchase a jar of the Whiz. But I'm not sure how much longer I can hold out; they are a formidable foe. :P
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • kenny olavkenny olav Posts: 3,319
    Byrnzie wrote:
    kenny olav wrote:
    I don't think Bill Maher is always on point, but I don't think he's wrong to say that Islam is currently creating more problems than other religions.

    And Muslims certainly don't have the moral high ground over Israel. You'd be much better off growing up in Tel Aviv than in Riyadh or Tehran, particularly if you were born female.

    But ultimately, all humans are savage beasts and we don't need religion to act out our savage impulses. Religion just helps create a supposedly righteous cause for the ways in which we oppress each other.

    What Muslim country has been occupying and subjugating another country for the past 60 years?

    When was the last time Iran attacked anyone?

    You think Muslim women feel themselves to be oppressed? If Islam is so tyrannical then why do 28.73 % of the Worlds population subscribe to it? You think Muslims follow that religion because they're forced to, or do they adhere to it out of choice?

    Muslim leaders subjugate their own people, and they've created a centuries old culture of subjugation. Those who grow up in that culture may not even realize they've been subjugated even when they reach old age.

    I was raised Christian and from an early age, I couldn't wrap my brain around it... I read about other religions in encyclopedias and wondered why there were so many... none of them made any sense to me... and as teenager I decided that I didn't believe it any religion, however, to this day, I have had to pretend to be Christian when I'm among my family in order to keep the peace. Thankfully, I'm not being forced to live a religious life by the society around me.

    Admittedly, I've never visited a Muslim society. I would like to. It would be interesting to visit and not to be patronizing... but to really understand how they live... but I'm sure I would not want to live as they do. I don't want to subjugate myself to an imaginary god and a book of 7th century customs.

    There's no doubt that we in the West are economically oppressed. Most of us are underpaid and live under a mountain of debt that we have to pay back with interest. Public and private debt in America alone totals at 55 trillion dollars!!

    Ironically, there is a religious solution to our debt crisis - the Jubilee year. I would also agree that usury should be banned, as I believe it is in Islam. But I don't want to replace the tyranny of money with the tyranny of the mind that is religion.
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    kenny olav wrote:
    Muslim leaders subjugate their own people, and they've created a centuries old culture of subjugation. Those who grow up in that culture may not even realize they've been subjugated even when they reach old age.

    That's a bit of a generalization. You even admitted yourself in the next breath that you know nothing about the Muslim culture.
    I wonder if we in the West - who regard ourselves as so free and independent - could even consider for one second that we've been indoctrinated into accepting an unsustainable, and essentially destructive and absurd way of life, which teaches us that spending a lifetime collecting shit we don't need is the sole purpose of our existence on this Earth? No, of course not. We're all free to choose the lives we want, right? We feel no constraints by the mighty $$ whatsoever, and we go to work for somebody else every day because we want to, and because some of us love it.

    In the meantime, 77% of Americans regard themselves as Christians - a religion that teaches Original Sin, that the fires of Hell await all unbelievers, and the Earth is ours to Plunder as we see fit.

    Strange, but those who grow up in that culture may not even realize they've been subjugated even when they reach old age.
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