IRS APOLOGIZES FOR TARGETING TEA PARTY GROUPS
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Kat wrote:Maybe someone can explain how or why a Commissioner of Internal Revenue (Douglas Shulman) who was appointed by George Bush might allow or suggest (not sure what word to use there) the targeting of Tea Party Groups? That is who was in charge during the time this happened. Would it have benefited the GOP to disallow Tea Party tax exemptions in 2010? I know this has to be pretty complicated. The Commissioner reports to the Sec of Treasury who reports to the President.
Added: And the people who did this need to be fired. If the IRS is crooked, I don't need to pay taxes, right?
Lois Lerner, who heads the IRS division that oversees tax-exempt groups, claims that this was all initiated by "low-level workers in Cincinnati" and that "high level officials" had no knowledge of this (which would include Shulman, I presume). I haven't read of anyone being fired, but that statement leads me to believe it would be a few scapegoats at most before they just move on.
Also, the practice in question was submitting any group filing for tax-exempt status with "tea party" or "patriot" in their name to lengthy, intrusive questionnaires that were far beyond the standard.
I'm not optimistic we'll ever get the "why" answered, so we're just left with speculation based on how much of the official statement one believes.0 -
Bentleyspop wrote:aerial wrote:Kat wrote:Maybe someone can explain how or why a Commissioner of Internal Revenue (Douglas Shulman) who was appointed by George Bush might allow or suggest (not sure what word to use there) the targeting of Tea Party Groups? That is who was in charge during the time this happened. Would it have benefited the GOP to disallow Tea Party tax exemptions in 2010? I know this has to be pretty complicated. The Commissioner reports to the Sec of Treasury who reports to the President.
Added: And the people who did this need to be fired. If the IRS is crooked, I don't need to pay taxes, right?
Seems he has the same connections Obama has...What!...not surprised...
He's a progressive and donates to the democratic party.....
Shulman served as a board member of the Israel Securities Authority
Through his board membership with the Israel Securities Authority, Shulman is intimately involved with the Bank of Israel Governor, Stanley Fischer, who recently hosted the International Council Of Jewish Bankers and Financiers ....these guys come to mind...Jacob Rothschild, George Soros
His wife is Susan L. Anderson
Senior Program Advisor at Public Campaign
SERIOUSLY???!!! You are going to try and blame this on the JEWS now??? :fp:
You really are the gift that keeps on giving!!
Yeah I am jewphobic!!!.....I'm talking about Bankers and Narcissistic sickos“We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln0 -
http://gawker.com/irs-didnt-just-hunt-t ... -504685119
Only 25% of the 300 scrutinized groups seeking non-profit status were reportedly affiliated with right-wing causes. Whether the rest aligned with left-leaning causes like abortion and climate change will not be known until the entire list is released. The IRS told Gawker today that the full list has yet to be made public.0 -
"If in fact IRS personnel engaged in the kind of practices that have been reported on and were intentionally targeting conservative groups, then that's outrageous. And there's no place for it," Obama told reporters.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/13/politics/ ... ?hpt=ju_c2
I think as the medis pours on the heat and more people at the IRS are exposed we will see who gave the go a head to target these groups....in my opinion this is just the beginning of a ugly situation for the government.
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is tax evasion a crime?
has the tea party made a huge issue about hating paying taxes? have they not repeatedly voiced their disdain for taxes? have they not complained that taxes are unfair? does tea party not stand for "taxed enough already"?
seems to me that a group whose entire existance is to rail against taxes is inviting scrutiny from the irs.
what is wrong with making sure that this political entity and the individuals in that group are paying their taxes?
if the shoe were on the other foot, as in a liberal group campaigning against taxes, the republicans would complain if the irs DID NOT go after them.
griping for the sake of griping is all this is. as usual."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
gimmesometruth27 wrote:is tax evasion a crime?
has the tea party made a huge issue about hating paying taxes? have they not repeatedly voiced their disdain for taxes? have they not complained that taxes are unfair? does tea party not stand for "taxed enough already"?
seems to me that a group whose entire existance is to rail against taxes is inviting scrutiny from the irs.
what is wrong with making sure that this political entity and the individuals in that group are paying their taxes?
if the shoe were on the other foot, as in a liberal group campaigning against taxes, the republicans would complain if the irs DID NOT go after them.
griping for the sake of griping is all this is. as usual.
If you would like to understand what is wrong with this and have one minute to spare, allow Dennis Kucinich to explain:
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gimmesometruth27 wrote:is tax evasion a crime?
has the tea party made a huge issue about hating paying taxes? have they not repeatedly voiced their disdain for taxes? have they not complained that taxes are unfair? does tea party not stand for "taxed enough already"?
seems to me that a group whose entire existance is to rail against taxes is inviting scrutiny from the irs.
what is wrong with making sure that this political entity and the individuals in that group are paying their taxes?
if the shoe were on the other foot, as in a liberal group campaigning against taxes, the republicans would complain if the irs DID NOT go after them.
griping for the sake of griping is all this is. as usual.
but the shoe is not on the other foot and as is so popular on the AMT...freedom of speach comes to mind,with all your hate for Bush and other Republican politions I would think you would understand that voicing your opinion about government,taxes or anything else you disaprove of should not make you a target by the IRS or any government groups..this is still America..as much as obama wants to "change" it.
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i am not openly advocating a crime like tax evasion.Godfather. wrote:gimmesometruth27 wrote:is tax evasion a crime?
has the tea party made a huge issue about hating paying taxes? have they not repeatedly voiced their disdain for taxes? have they not complained that taxes are unfair? does tea party not stand for "taxed enough already"?
seems to me that a group whose entire existance is to rail against taxes is inviting scrutiny from the irs.
what is wrong with making sure that this political entity and the individuals in that group are paying their taxes?
if the shoe were on the other foot, as in a liberal group campaigning against taxes, the republicans would complain if the irs DID NOT go after them.
griping for the sake of griping is all this is. as usual.
but the shoe is not on the other foot and as is so popular on the AMT...freedom of speach comes to mind,with all your hate for Bush and other Republican politions I would think you would understand that voicing your opinion about government,taxes or anything else you disaprove of should not make you a target by the IRS or any government groups..this is still America..as much as obama wants to "change" it.
Godfather.
doing so would invite the government's attention..."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
gimmesometruth27 wrote:is tax evasion a crime?
has the tea party made a huge issue about hating paying taxes? have they not repeatedly voiced their disdain for taxes? have they not complained that taxes are unfair? does tea party not stand for "taxed enough already"?
seems to me that a group whose entire existance is to rail against taxes is inviting scrutiny from the irs.
what is wrong with making sure that this political entity and the individuals in that group are paying their taxes?
if the shoe were on the other foot, as in a liberal group campaigning against taxes, the republicans would complain if the irs DID NOT go after them.
griping for the sake of griping is all this is. as usual.
for simple political affiliation?
I don't think you thought that argument through very far. doesn't it seem like profiling? If it were applied in other areas of life you wouldn't be so quick to approve of selective enforcement....The IRS' strong arm tactics should receive bipartisan hate because all groups have been persecuted by them at one time or another.
I think we should all wait for the IG report to crucify anyonethat’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
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Godfather. wrote:gimmesometruth27 wrote:is tax evasion a crime?
has the tea party made a huge issue about hating paying taxes? have they not repeatedly voiced their disdain for taxes? have they not complained that taxes are unfair? does tea party not stand for "taxed enough already"?
seems to me that a group whose entire existance is to rail against taxes is inviting scrutiny from the irs.
what is wrong with making sure that this political entity and the individuals in that group are paying their taxes?
if the shoe were on the other foot, as in a liberal group campaigning against taxes, the republicans would complain if the irs DID NOT go after them.
griping for the sake of griping is all this is. as usual.
but the shoe is not on the other foot and as is so popular on the AMT...freedom of speach comes to mind,with all your hate for Bush and other Republican politions I would think you would understand that voicing your opinion about government,taxes or anything else you disaprove of should not make you a target by the IRS or any government groups..this is still America..as much as obama wants to "change" it.
Godfather.
I don't get the Obama want's to change AMERICA argument , like how has America changed from your point of view ....jesus greets me looks just like me ....0 -
josevolution wrote:Godfather. wrote:gimmesometruth27 wrote:is tax evasion a crime?
has the tea party made a huge issue about hating paying taxes? have they not repeatedly voiced their disdain for taxes? have they not complained that taxes are unfair? does tea party not stand for "taxed enough already"?
seems to me that a group whose entire existance is to rail against taxes is inviting scrutiny from the irs.
what is wrong with making sure that this political entity and the individuals in that group are paying their taxes?
if the shoe were on the other foot, as in a liberal group campaigning against taxes, the republicans would complain if the irs DID NOT go after them.
griping for the sake of griping is all this is. as usual.
but the shoe is not on the other foot and as is so popular on the AMT...freedom of speach comes to mind,with all your hate for Bush and other Republican politions I would think you would understand that voicing your opinion about government,taxes or anything else you disaprove of should not make you a target by the IRS or any government groups..this is still America..as much as obama wants to "change" it.
Godfather.
I don't get the Obama want's to change AMERICA argument , like how has America changed from your point of view ....
obama said he would end a war when elected but took us right into another one,obamacare,hightest debt ceeling in our history,binghazi,this tax targeting on the tea party and other groups and more, wanting to make millions of illegal aliens US citizens and allow them to take even more advantage of our system..in my opinion obama has been a disaster sense he took office(the first thing he did was give out billions in "obamabucks" and raise the debt ceeling practicly over night and wants to raise it more ?
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The White House was in damage control mode Tuesday morning as an escalating series of potential scandals raised questions about whether officials abused their authority -- all while threatening to undermine President Obama's second-term ambitions.
The latest controversy to hit the headlines was the allegation that the Justice Department secretly obtained two months of phone records from Associated Press journalists. The AP went public with the charge Monday, and quickly earned sympathy from lawmakers on both sides who widely agreed that the record grab appeared to be unnecessarily intrusive.
House Speaker John Boehner's office said "they better have a damned good explanation."
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/05 ... z2THgCgdC4
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unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487Kat wrote:
Added: And the people who did this need to be fired. If the IRS is crooked, I don't need to pay taxes, right?
Did you enter into a mutual agreement voluntarily? No? Me neither. But don't pay and they will show up guns a-blazing.
Taxation is theft.0 -
unsung wrote:Kat wrote:
Added: And the people who did this need to be fired. If the IRS is crooked, I don't need to pay taxes, right?
Did you enter into a mutual agreement voluntarily? No? Me neither. But don't pay and they will show up guns a-blazing.
Taxation is theft.
no. theft if theft. taxation is taxation.
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ProPublica, a left-leaning nonprofit organization that does investigative journalism, often sharing it with outlets like the Washington Post, offers its own revelation on the news that the Internal Revenue Service was targeting Tea Party groups. It was the recipient of some of the IRS documents. These were documents that even ProPublica admits the IRS should not have been giving out according to the agency’s own rules:
The same IRS office that deliberately targeted conservative groups applying for tax-exempt status in the run-up to the 2012 election released nine pending confidential applications of conservative groups to ProPublica late last year.
The IRS did not respond to requests Monday following up about that release, and whether it had determined how the applications were sent to ProPublica.
In response to a request for the applications for 67 different nonprofits last November, the Cincinnati office of the IRS sent ProPublica applications or documentation for 31 groups. Nine of those applications had not yet been approved—meaning they were not supposed to be made public. (We made six of those public, after redacting their financial information, deeming that they were newsworthy.)
[url]Read more: [/url]http://nation.foxnews.com/irs-scandal/2 ... z2TIXF3KIl“We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln0 -
I have a friend who was in the Iron Butterfly who did not believe he had to pay taxes and right after the band released their last album he was going to retire in colorado so he bought and paid for a new large home and had a few million in the bank to retire on...but IRS took his home,cars,motorcycles,bank account and even siezed his royaltys leaving he and his wife and very young kids homeless,he agrees that he should have just paid his taxes but when he told me the story I was thinking that a non government angensy that has the legal power to take everything you own is friggin scary so if think the IRS gives whoot about you or your family...think again.
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The IRS stole $400 from me....said I had a forgiven debt from some collection agency and that is considered income...I never owed this money ......went round and round with them for months then I just gave up...they acted as like they had never heard of this company....I posted the story a couple of years ago......come to find out the collection agency works for the IRS.....they get a tax write off and I got screwed.....I was not the only person they did this to...it was all over the internet....
How can they implement Obama care ....they can't even handle there department as it is....it will be a cluster fuck....no one answers for 30 - 40min. then they act as if you are a criminal...then they don't know answers...then they hang up on you....no one is accountable there“We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln0 -
aerial wrote:brianlux wrote:aerial wrote:http://bigstory.ap.org/article/irs-apologizes-targeting-conservative-groups
Wow! and the way they try to cover this one is more lies....
More lies? I'm not sure what you mean. Reading this article, it seems like the IRS is being rather forthcoming in seeking to correct any wrong doing.
Lerner said the practice was initiated by low-level workers in Cincinnati and was not motivated by political bias.
LIE
There is so much corruption surrounding this Administration it's hard to get up with it all.
I love how you think this administration is soo bad. Compared to the last President this is sadly just another day...
I'm not disagreeing with you, I think you are right, but this administration is just the same as others.~Carter~
You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense0 -
Now that I think about it I did go to the Tea Party march in Washington.... :(
HOW MANY times do I have to say They are ALL CROOKS!!! I have never compared Administrations except to say I feel Bush did love this country....but even having doubts about that now“We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln0 -
unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487rollings wrote:unsung wrote:Kat wrote:
Added: And the people who did this need to be fired. If the IRS is crooked, I don't need to pay taxes, right?
Did you enter into a mutual agreement voluntarily? No? Me neither. But don't pay and they will show up guns a-blazing.
Taxation is theft.
no. theft if theft. taxation is taxation.
When something is taken by force it is theft.0
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