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IRS APOLOGIZES FOR TARGETING TEA PARTY GROUPS

aerialaerial Posts: 2,319
edited May 2013 in A Moving Train
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/irs-apologizes-targeting-conservative-groups

Wow! and the way they try to cover this one is more lies....
“We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
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  • BinauralJamBinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    Ya, this was PC gone bad.
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,055
    aerial wrote:
    http://bigstory.ap.org/article/irs-apologizes-targeting-conservative-groups

    Wow! and the way they try to cover this one is more lies....

    More lies? I'm not sure what you mean. Reading this article, it seems like the IRS is being rather forthcoming in seeking to correct any wrong doing.
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
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  • aerialaerial Posts: 2,319
    brianlux wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    http://bigstory.ap.org/article/irs-apologizes-targeting-conservative-groups

    Wow! and the way they try to cover this one is more lies....

    More lies? I'm not sure what you mean. Reading this article, it seems like the IRS is being rather forthcoming in seeking to correct any wrong doing.


    Lerner said the practice was initiated by low-level workers in Cincinnati and was not motivated by political bias.

    LIE



    There is so much corruption surrounding this Administration it's hard to get up with it all.
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    Time to eliminate the strong arm of the Federal Reserve.
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,475
    A brilliant succinct take on this:

    http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2013/05/ ... um=twitter
  • aerialaerial Posts: 2,319
    pjl44 wrote:
    A brilliant succinct take on this:

    http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2013/05/ ... um=twitter


    The guy is so right!
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Posts: 10,770
    aerial wrote:
    brianlux wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    http://bigstory.ap.org/article/irs-apologizes-targeting-conservative-groups

    Wow! and the way they try to cover this one is more lies....

    More lies? I'm not sure what you mean. Reading this article, it seems like the IRS is being rather forthcoming in seeking to correct any wrong doing.


    Lerner said the practice was initiated by low-level workers in Cincinnati and was not motivated by political bias.

    LIE



    There is so much corruption surrounding this Administration it's hard to get up with it all.

    Proove this please
    :corn:
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    who is and who controls the IRS ? I believe the irs is a group of banks (3) but contracted by the government right ? so blamming the irs for targeting a political group is just a little off base in my opinion, the irs can't rais taxes or "target" anybody with a go-a-head from yours truely OUR GOVERNMENT....my opinion is that the irs will take the hit for whom ever gave the order to target the tea party (obama maybe ?)

    I couldn't open the link from pj144 but did it touch down on what I just stated ?
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    This shouldn't have happened in the first place, to any group.

    Makes me wonder how many others this has happened to, that weren't noticed and addressed.

    And I don't care if it was a low-level thing (really doubt that); things like this require review, sign-offs, approvals - and if they don't, they should.

    Really shameful.

    Fucking politics.
  • KatKat Posts: 4,872
    Maybe someone can explain how or why a Commissioner of Internal Revenue (Douglas Shulman) who was appointed by George Bush might allow or suggest (not sure what word to use there) the targeting of Tea Party Groups? That is who was in charge during the time this happened. Would it have benefited the GOP to disallow Tea Party tax exemptions in 2010? I know this has to be pretty complicated. The Commissioner reports to the Sec of Treasury who reports to the President.

    Added: And the people who did this need to be fired. If the IRS is crooked, I don't need to pay taxes, right?
    Falling down,...not staying down
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    this a e-mail I just recieved.


    Where is the accountability?

    The Internal Revenue Service, the federal government’s major revenue collection agency, used its power to target and harass conservative organizations. As our nation’s Chief Executive and Administrator, the President and his administration owe the American people answers.

    It is an absolutely indefensible abuse of power for our federal government to target groups of citizens based on their political beliefs. Yet, that is exactly what the IRS did to about 75 conservative groups.

    On Friday, I sent a letter to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and House Speaker John Boehner calling on Congress to investigate this flagrant breach of the public trust. Congress has a constitutional responsibility to get to the bottom of this matter and ensure the transparency this President promised us on the campaign trail.
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    another reason why I feel comfortable with my call on obama as worst president.. :D


    Godfather.
  • mysticweedmysticweed Posts: 3,710
    fuck the tea party and the irs
    fuck 'em if they can't take a joke

    "what a long, strange trip it's been"
  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Posts: 10,770
    Godfather. wrote:
    another reason why I feel comfortable with my call on obama as worst president.. :D


    Godfather.

    AJohnMcenroeimages_zpsb213660c.jpg
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    Kat wrote:
    Maybe someone can explain how or why a Commissioner of Internal Revenue (Douglas Shulman) who was appointed by George Bush might allow or suggest (not sure what word to use there) the targeting of Tea Party Groups? That is who was in charge during the time this happened. Would it have benefited the GOP to disallow Tea Party tax exemptions in 2010? I know this has to be pretty complicated. The Commissioner reports to the Sec of Treasury who reports to the President.

    Added: And the people who did this need to be fired. If the IRS is crooked, I don't need to pay taxes, right?
    Maybe Doug's strings were pulled? Integrity and accountability are just that (should be unwavering, but I tend to get a bit idealistic on that front), whether the person supposedly possessing those qualities was appointed by Bush, Clinton, Obama, etc.

    Whole lotta crookedness goin' on.
  • mysticweedmysticweed Posts: 3,710
    Bentleyspop wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    another reason why I feel comfortable with my call on obama as worst president.. :D


    Godfather.

    AJohnMcenroeimages_zpsb213660c.jpg

    ah yes, the whiny mcwhinewhine mcenroe
    does remind me of today's republicans
    fuck 'em if they can't take a joke

    "what a long, strange trip it's been"
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    What about those of us who are neither republican nor democrat but are still sick of the whining from BOTH sides? From seemingly every side?

    So sick of this polarizing stuff; no wonder the great divide grows.

    "Come together" my ass :evil:
  • mysticweedmysticweed Posts: 3,710
    hedonist wrote:
    What about those of us who are neither republican nor democrat but are still sick of the whining from BOTH sides? From seemingly every side?

    So sick of this polarizing stuff; no wonder the great divide grows.

    "Come together" my ass :evil:

    oh love i agree
    i vote democrat because to vote outside the parties as, in nader, will only fuck us worse, as in bush
    fuck 'em if they can't take a joke

    "what a long, strange trip it's been"
  • aerialaerial Posts: 2,319
    Kat wrote:
    Maybe someone can explain how or why a Commissioner of Internal Revenue (Douglas Shulman) who was appointed by George Bush might allow or suggest (not sure what word to use there) the targeting of Tea Party Groups? That is who was in charge during the time this happened. Would it have benefited the GOP to disallow Tea Party tax exemptions in 2010? I know this has to be pretty complicated. The Commissioner reports to the Sec of Treasury who reports to the President.

    Added: And the people who did this need to be fired. If the IRS is crooked, I don't need to pay taxes, right?


    Seems he has the same connections Obama has...What!...not surprised...

    He's a progressive and donates to the democratic party.....

    Shulman served as a board member of the Israel Securities Authority

    Through his board membership with the Israel Securities Authority, Shulman is intimately involved with the Bank of Israel Governor, Stanley Fischer, who recently hosted the International Council Of Jewish Bankers and Financiers ....these guys come to mind...Jacob Rothschild, George Soros

    His wife is Susan L. Anderson
    Senior Program Advisor at Public Campaign
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Posts: 10,770
    aerial wrote:
    Kat wrote:
    Maybe someone can explain how or why a Commissioner of Internal Revenue (Douglas Shulman) who was appointed by George Bush might allow or suggest (not sure what word to use there) the targeting of Tea Party Groups? That is who was in charge during the time this happened. Would it have benefited the GOP to disallow Tea Party tax exemptions in 2010? I know this has to be pretty complicated. The Commissioner reports to the Sec of Treasury who reports to the President.

    Added: And the people who did this need to be fired. If the IRS is crooked, I don't need to pay taxes, right?


    Seems he has the same connections Obama has...What!...not surprised...

    He's a progressive and donates to the democratic party.....

    Shulman served as a board member of the Israel Securities Authority

    Through his board membership with the Israel Securities Authority, Shulman is intimately involved with the Bank of Israel Governor, Stanley Fischer, who recently hosted the International Council Of Jewish Bankers and Financiers ....these guys come to mind...Jacob Rothschild, George Soros
    His wife is Susan L. Anderson
    Senior Program Advisor at Public Campaign

    SERIOUSLY???!!! You are going to try and blame this on the JEWS now??? :fp:

    You really are the gift that keeps on giving!! :D

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  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,475
    Kat wrote:
    Maybe someone can explain how or why a Commissioner of Internal Revenue (Douglas Shulman) who was appointed by George Bush might allow or suggest (not sure what word to use there) the targeting of Tea Party Groups? That is who was in charge during the time this happened. Would it have benefited the GOP to disallow Tea Party tax exemptions in 2010? I know this has to be pretty complicated. The Commissioner reports to the Sec of Treasury who reports to the President.

    Added: And the people who did this need to be fired. If the IRS is crooked, I don't need to pay taxes, right?

    Lois Lerner, who heads the IRS division that oversees tax-exempt groups, claims that this was all initiated by "low-level workers in Cincinnati" and that "high level officials" had no knowledge of this (which would include Shulman, I presume). I haven't read of anyone being fired, but that statement leads me to believe it would be a few scapegoats at most before they just move on.

    Also, the practice in question was submitting any group filing for tax-exempt status with "tea party" or "patriot" in their name to lengthy, intrusive questionnaires that were far beyond the standard.

    I'm not optimistic we'll ever get the "why" answered, so we're just left with speculation based on how much of the official statement one believes.
  • aerialaerial Posts: 2,319
    Bentleyspop wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    Kat wrote:
    Maybe someone can explain how or why a Commissioner of Internal Revenue (Douglas Shulman) who was appointed by George Bush might allow or suggest (not sure what word to use there) the targeting of Tea Party Groups? That is who was in charge during the time this happened. Would it have benefited the GOP to disallow Tea Party tax exemptions in 2010? I know this has to be pretty complicated. The Commissioner reports to the Sec of Treasury who reports to the President.

    Added: And the people who did this need to be fired. If the IRS is crooked, I don't need to pay taxes, right?


    Seems he has the same connections Obama has...What!...not surprised...

    He's a progressive and donates to the democratic party.....

    Shulman served as a board member of the Israel Securities Authority

    Through his board membership with the Israel Securities Authority, Shulman is intimately involved with the Bank of Israel Governor, Stanley Fischer, who recently hosted the International Council Of Jewish Bankers and Financiers ....these guys come to mind...Jacob Rothschild, George Soros
    His wife is Susan L. Anderson
    Senior Program Advisor at Public Campaign

    SERIOUSLY???!!! You are going to try and blame this on the JEWS now??? :fp:

    You really are the gift that keeps on giving!! :D

    Avoices_zps4047d493.png


    Yeah I am jewphobic!!!.....I'm talking about Bankers and Narcissistic sickos
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    http://gawker.com/irs-didnt-just-hunt-t ... -504685119

    Only 25% of the 300 scrutinized groups seeking non-profit status were reportedly affiliated with right-wing causes. Whether the rest aligned with left-leaning causes like abortion and climate change will not be known until the entire list is released. The IRS told Gawker today that the full list has yet to be made public.
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    "If in fact IRS personnel engaged in the kind of practices that have been reported on and were intentionally targeting conservative groups, then that's outrageous. And there's no place for it," Obama told reporters.

    http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/13/politics/ ... ?hpt=ju_c2

    I think as the medis pours on the heat and more people at the IRS are exposed we will see who gave the go a head to target these groups....in my opinion this is just the beginning of a ugly situation for the government.

    Godfather.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    is tax evasion a crime?

    has the tea party made a huge issue about hating paying taxes? have they not repeatedly voiced their disdain for taxes? have they not complained that taxes are unfair? does tea party not stand for "taxed enough already"?

    seems to me that a group whose entire existance is to rail against taxes is inviting scrutiny from the irs.

    what is wrong with making sure that this political entity and the individuals in that group are paying their taxes?

    if the shoe were on the other foot, as in a liberal group campaigning against taxes, the republicans would complain if the irs DID NOT go after them.

    griping for the sake of griping is all this is. as usual.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,475
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    is tax evasion a crime?

    has the tea party made a huge issue about hating paying taxes? have they not repeatedly voiced their disdain for taxes? have they not complained that taxes are unfair? does tea party not stand for "taxed enough already"?

    seems to me that a group whose entire existance is to rail against taxes is inviting scrutiny from the irs.

    what is wrong with making sure that this political entity and the individuals in that group are paying their taxes?

    if the shoe were on the other foot, as in a liberal group campaigning against taxes, the republicans would complain if the irs DID NOT go after them.

    griping for the sake of griping is all this is. as usual.

    If you would like to understand what is wrong with this and have one minute to spare, allow Dennis Kucinich to explain:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0G2zwKCSxU
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    is tax evasion a crime?

    has the tea party made a huge issue about hating paying taxes? have they not repeatedly voiced their disdain for taxes? have they not complained that taxes are unfair? does tea party not stand for "taxed enough already"?

    seems to me that a group whose entire existance is to rail against taxes is inviting scrutiny from the irs.

    what is wrong with making sure that this political entity and the individuals in that group are paying their taxes?

    if the shoe were on the other foot, as in a liberal group campaigning against taxes, the republicans would complain if the irs DID NOT go after them.

    griping for the sake of griping is all this is. as usual.

    but the shoe is not on the other foot and as is so popular on the AMT...freedom of speach comes to mind,with all your hate for Bush and other Republican politions I would think you would understand that voicing your opinion about government,taxes or anything else you disaprove of should not make you a target by the IRS or any government groups..this is still America..as much as obama wants to "change" it.

    Godfather.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    Godfather. wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    is tax evasion a crime?

    has the tea party made a huge issue about hating paying taxes? have they not repeatedly voiced their disdain for taxes? have they not complained that taxes are unfair? does tea party not stand for "taxed enough already"?

    seems to me that a group whose entire existance is to rail against taxes is inviting scrutiny from the irs.

    what is wrong with making sure that this political entity and the individuals in that group are paying their taxes?

    if the shoe were on the other foot, as in a liberal group campaigning against taxes, the republicans would complain if the irs DID NOT go after them.

    griping for the sake of griping is all this is. as usual.

    but the shoe is not on the other foot and as is so popular on the AMT...freedom of speach comes to mind,with all your hate for Bush and other Republican politions I would think you would understand that voicing your opinion about government,taxes or anything else you disaprove of should not make you a target by the IRS or any government groups..this is still America..as much as obama wants to "change" it.

    Godfather.
    i am not openly advocating a crime like tax evasion.

    doing so would invite the government's attention...
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • mikepegg44mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    is tax evasion a crime?

    has the tea party made a huge issue about hating paying taxes? have they not repeatedly voiced their disdain for taxes? have they not complained that taxes are unfair? does tea party not stand for "taxed enough already"?

    seems to me that a group whose entire existance is to rail against taxes is inviting scrutiny from the irs.

    what is wrong with making sure that this political entity and the individuals in that group are paying their taxes?

    if the shoe were on the other foot, as in a liberal group campaigning against taxes, the republicans would complain if the irs DID NOT go after them.

    griping for the sake of griping is all this is. as usual.


    for simple political affiliation?

    I don't think you thought that argument through very far. doesn't it seem like profiling? If it were applied in other areas of life you wouldn't be so quick to approve of selective enforcement....The IRS' strong arm tactics should receive bipartisan hate because all groups have been persecuted by them at one time or another.

    I think we should all wait for the IG report to crucify anyone
    that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,575
    Godfather. wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    is tax evasion a crime?

    has the tea party made a huge issue about hating paying taxes? have they not repeatedly voiced their disdain for taxes? have they not complained that taxes are unfair? does tea party not stand for "taxed enough already"?

    seems to me that a group whose entire existance is to rail against taxes is inviting scrutiny from the irs.

    what is wrong with making sure that this political entity and the individuals in that group are paying their taxes?

    if the shoe were on the other foot, as in a liberal group campaigning against taxes, the republicans would complain if the irs DID NOT go after them.

    griping for the sake of griping is all this is. as usual.

    but the shoe is not on the other foot and as is so popular on the AMT...freedom of speach comes to mind,with all your hate for Bush and other Republican politions I would think you would understand that voicing your opinion about government,taxes or anything else you disaprove of should not make you a target by the IRS or any government groups..this is still America..as much as obama wants to "change" it.

    Godfather.

    I don't get the Obama want's to change AMERICA argument , like how has America changed from your point of view ....
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
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