Jose I don't think the shooters of the NEWTOWN killing will attend nor would they be welcome.
Godfather.
Kind of cold. No... really cold.
I'm not sure you are capable of understanding so I'm not expecting much of a response outside of a few of these or these :roll: ... but do you realize that neutral parties (basically everyone from outside your country) look in at this issue and see the NRA and gun enthusiasts as a tragic failure for common sense and good judgement? It's depressing that human beings can become so blinded and stupefied by their passion for a gun that they would place their children and communities at risk so they can continue to fire really cool guns at beer cans.
Nobody with half a brain thinks for a second that the government is waiting to unleash tyranny. This argument is ridiculous and carries no weight. At all. Period.
Nobody cares that your founding fathers etched 'the right to bear arms' on a document 2 centuries ago. They had no idea that the musket would evolve into single user death machines. Most think that the founding fathers would be slapping their foreheads at the failure of future generations to adapt and evolve so that the country they fought for, secured, and envisioned could realize itself.
For that matter, nobody is saying disarm. They are saying limitations. Sound measures to control the type of weaponry a typical citizen should possess- balancing risk with need.
I used to think you were reasonable on this forum. It bothers me that we share the same opinion on the Death Penalty issue. The strongest argument against it- for me- is the company I seem to keep. I might have to revisit my position again.
Everyone from outside our country.....Placing our children and communities at risk to shoot at beer cans......
Good grief
I don't understand this quite rusty, are you saying that people outside of america should stop talking about the gun issue in america? I don't know what you mean by this.
Jose I don't think the shooters of the NEWTOWN killing will attend nor would they be welcome.
Godfather.
Kind of cold. No... really cold.
I'm not sure you are capable of understanding so I'm not expecting much of a response outside of a few of these or these :roll: ... but do you realize that neutral parties (basically everyone from outside your country) look in at this issue and see the NRA and gun enthusiasts as a tragic failure for common sense and good judgement? It's depressing that human beings can become so blinded and stupefied by their passion for a gun that they would place their children and communities at risk so they can continue to fire really cool guns at beer cans.
Nobody with half a brain thinks for a second that the government is waiting to unleash tyranny. This argument is ridiculous and carries no weight. At all. Period.
Nobody cares that your founding fathers etched 'the right to bear arms' on a document 2 centuries ago. They had no idea that the musket would evolve into single user death machines. Most think that the founding fathers would be slapping their foreheads at the failure of future generations to adapt and evolve so that the country they fought for, secured, and envisioned could realize itself.
For that matter, nobody is saying disarm. They are saying limitations. Sound measures to control the type of weaponry a typical citizen should possess- balancing risk with need.
I used to think you were reasonable on this forum. It bothers me that we share the same opinion on the Death Penalty issue. The strongest argument against it- for me- is the company I seem to keep. I might have to revisit my position again.
why would anybody care if people outside our country don't like our gun laws ? rell em to stay in their friggin country.
as for the rest of your post all I can say is :? and so go ahead and find a new "position" sounds like you may enjoy that.
Everyone from outside our country.....Placing our children and communities at risk to shoot at beer cans......
Good grief
I know you are in a place where the gunfire sings a sweet song (weird, man... weird), but don't get stuck on the scenario I illustrated that most likely describes your reality. It's okay to load up the old truck, drive out to the backwoods, drink beer, and then shoot your beer cans and maybe even any critter that happens to run by you. This is what your founding fathers wanted for you.
Speak to the other items though: the ones that depict the argument gun lovers present as weak, simple, and nonsensical. Hard to do, eh?
Jose I don't think the shooters of the NEWTOWN killing will attend nor would they be welcome.
Godfather.
Kind of cold. No... really cold.
I'm not sure you are capable of understanding so I'm not expecting much of a response outside of a few of these or these :roll: ... but do you realize that neutral parties (basically everyone from outside your country) look in at this issue and see the NRA and gun enthusiasts as a tragic failure for common sense and good judgement? It's depressing that human beings can become so blinded and stupefied by their passion for a gun that they would place their children and communities at risk so they can continue to fire really cool guns at beer cans.
Nobody with half a brain thinks for a second that the government is waiting to unleash tyranny. This argument is ridiculous and carries no weight. At all. Period.
Nobody cares that your founding fathers etched 'the right to bear arms' on a document 2 centuries ago. They had no idea that the musket would evolve into single user death machines. Most think that the founding fathers would be slapping their foreheads at the failure of future generations to adapt and evolve so that the country they fought for, secured, and envisioned could realize itself.
For that matter, nobody is saying disarm. They are saying limitations. Sound measures to control the type of weaponry a typical citizen should possess- balancing risk with need.
I used to think you were reasonable on this forum. It bothers me that we share the same opinion on the Death Penalty issue. The strongest argument against it- for me- is the company I seem to keep. I might have to revisit my position again.
why would anybody care if people outside our country don't like our gun laws ? rell em to stay in their friggin country.
as for the rest of your post all I can say is :? and so go ahead and find a new "position" sounds like you may enjoy that.
Godfather.
Who cares what people from other places think? ... Well, tourism is the first, second, or third biggest industry in 29 US States. It is a major economic factor, and creates millions of jobs. If the gun nuts keep it up, and the rest of the world keeps watching the freak show, and all this gun violence continues, that could be quite an economic hit. That is only one reason a nation has to be concerned about what others think of them. Any idiot knows that it's important for their country to have a good reputation in the global community.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Everyone from outside our country.....Placing our children and communities at risk to shoot at beer cans......
Good grief
I know you are in a place where the gunfire sings a sweet song (weird, man... weird), but don't get stuck on the scenario I illustrated that most likely describes your reality. It's okay to load up the old truck, drive out to the backwoods, drink beer, and then shoot your beer cans and maybe even any critter that happens to run by you. This is what your founding fathers wanted for you.
Speak to the other items though: the ones that depict the argument gun lovers present as weak, simple, and nonsensical. Hard to do, eh?
I'm done playing games with you "progressives"...I choose to defend myself in the most lethal way possible. It's my choice and I've made it. I'm not bringing a knife to a gun fight.
Any idiot knows that it's important for their country to have a good reputation in the global community ? ..really ??? because judging by some of the comments on here everybody hates us already so fu*k em
I really don't believe the right to keep and bare arms is scaring off too many tourist..that's a long shot call there.
infact I'll bet that gun related sports draws in tourist every year,just because some anti gun nut whines about Americans right to own a gun dose not mean they have a clue what their talking about..
Any idiot knows that it's important for their country to have a good reputation in the global community ? ..really ??? because judging by some of the comments on here everybody hates us already so fu*k em
I really don't believe the right to keep and bare arms is scaring off too many tourist..that's a long shot call there.
infact I'll bet that gun related sports draws in tourist every year,just because some anti gun nut whines about Americans right to own a gun dose not mean they have a clue what their talking about..
Godfather.
So you think that events like Newtown and the resulting offensive NRA bullshit and the vote against legislation, all of which was international news and a point of discussion around the world, isn't making tourists think twice? Wrong. This issue is spiraling out of control, and the whole world is watching it happen right now. This right to bare arms bullshit is just making everyone think the gun culture in the US is scary and ridiculous. They don't care about some normal person having a gun. They care about the NRA throwing parties where fucking dummies called "The Ex" are made to shoot up while gun massacres keep happening.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Any idiot knows that it's important for their country to have a good reputation in the global community ? ..really ??? because judging by some of the comments on here everybody hates us already so fu*k em
I really don't believe the right to keep and bare arms is scaring off too many tourist..that's a long shot call there.
infact I'll bet that gun related sports draws in tourist every year,just because some anti gun nut whines about Americans right to own a gun dose not mean they have a clue what their talking about..
Godfather.
So you think that events like Newtown and the resulting offensive NRA bullshit and the vote against legislation, all of which was international news and a point of discussion around the world, isn't making tourists think twice? Wrong. This issue is spiraling out of control, and the whole world is watching it happen right now. This right to bare arms bullshit is just making everyone think the gun culture in the US is scary and ridiculous. They don't care about some normal person having a gun. They care about the NRA throwing parties where fucking dummies called "The Ex" are made to shoot up while gun massacres keep happening.
you think because of these idiots that commit crimes using a gun makes it o.k to punish everybody that owns a gun ? and this bullshit using Newtown killing and alike as an excuse to put stricter control on responsible gun owners if fucking lame..I'll say it one more time "people kill people" if they use a gun,knife,car or a bowling ball the fact remains a person with the ability to think and act killed those people,why is that so frigging hard to understand ???????
Any idiot knows that it's important for their country to have a good reputation in the global community ? ..really ??? because judging by some of the comments on here everybody hates us already so fu*k em
I really don't believe the right to keep and bare arms is scaring off too many tourist..that's a long shot call there.
infact I'll bet that gun related sports draws in tourist every year,just because some anti gun nut whines about Americans right to own a gun dose not mean they have a clue what their talking about..
Godfather.
So you think that events like Newtown and the resulting offensive NRA bullshit and the vote against legislation, all of which was international news and a point of discussion around the world, isn't making tourists think twice? Wrong. This issue is spiraling out of control, and the whole world is watching it happen right now. This right to bare arms bullshit is just making everyone think the gun culture in the US is scary and ridiculous. They don't care about some normal person having a gun. They care about the NRA throwing parties where fucking dummies called "The Ex" are made to shoot up while gun massacres keep happening.
you think because of these idiots that commit crimes using a gun makes it o.k to punish everybody that owns a gun ? and this bullshit using Newtown killing and alike as an excuse to put stricter control on responsible gun owners if fucking lame..I'll say it one more time "people kill people" if they use a gun,knife,car or a bowling ball the fact remains a person with the ability to think and act killed those people,why is that so frigging hard to understand ???????
Godfather.
How is better regulation punishment?? And how is calling a spade a spade when we point out the barbarism of NRA gun freaks punishment? Responsible gun owners should support regulation. Irresponsible ones do not.
I am not getting dragging into the utter idiocy of the "knives and cars kill people too" argument. We've already done that, and I think that the great majority of us agree that it's one of the most ridiculous arguments of all time. But I do always think about all those stories where some freak with a knife went on a rampage and the headlines are always "such and such number of people hurt". And when some freak with a gun goes on a rampage the headlines are always "such and such number of people killed." .... Hmm. But the same isn't necessarily true when it comes to bombs.... Bombs are arms, aren't they? So I guess you must be against regulations and restrictions on bomb ownership too, right?
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
There were some questions there... you're not going to answer?
really, bombs ???? it's a baited question and you're pulling at straws,your reasoning and excuses are in my opinion very weak and over used,you and others keep blamming murder on the weapon (gun) almost as if the person that commited the crime was being controled by the weapon leaving them powerles and void of rational thought because the weapon had control over them....geeeeezzzz.
There were some questions there... you're not going to answer?
really, bombs ???? it's a baited question and you're pulling at straws,your reasoning and excuses are in my opinion very weak and over used,you and others keep blamming murder on the weapon (gun) almost as if the person that commited the crime was being controled by the weapon leaving them powerles and void of rational thought because the weapon had control over them....geeeeezzzz.
Godfather.
I blame murder on the person. But I don't support having no regulations for weapons that help people murder as many people as possible.
Yes, bombs. It's not a baited question. It's the exact same reasoning, because I'm asking you about regulations and how they punish responsible people. If bombs are regulated and restricted, why aren't guns? They both can kill a lot of people. If you don't want restrictions on guns, why would you want restrictions on bombs? What's the difference? My point is, of course, that not wanting regulations and restrictions for guns is illogical.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
If you don't want restrictions on guns, why would you want restrictions on bombs? What's the difference?
the differencr between guns and bombs ? you'd have a hard time finding guns that match the power and influance that "fat man" and "little boy" had. need I say more ?
I believe certin restrictions on guns are necessary as far as who can legally buy them but to keep adding restrictions every time some nut job uses a gun in a crime is just stupid,there was no doubt who did some of these killings maybe if they were publicly stiped naked and and disembouled or drawn and quatered it would make SOME of these attention seeking nut jobs think a little harder before using a gun or any weapon to commit murder , in other words punish the guilty parties not the rersponsible gun owners.
If you don't want restrictions on guns, why would you want restrictions on bombs? What's the difference?
the differencr between guns and bombs ? you'd have a hard time finding guns that match the power and influance that "fat man" and "little boy" had. need I say more ?
Oh? That depends on the bomb, right? The Boston bombs killed 3 people, hurt many. But what would have happened if those dude had opened up on the crowd with a couple of AK47s? I bet a lot more people would actually have been killed.... So maybe sometimes a bomb is better than a gun if you're worried about how deadly they are. The point is, of course, it is ludicrous to regulate one of these weapons and not the other. Sure, some people have fun shooting guns. I know a lot of people who have fun blowing shit up. So why, if you don't want the kinds of restrictions being proposed on guns, why would you support restrictions on small bombs. Not atom bombs, of course. Military grade cannons aren't legal, and neither would a military grade bomb be. But why not the kinds of bombs used in Boston? And pipe bombs, etc? I figure if you support the rights of gun owners without regulation, you have to support the rights of bomb makers without regulation too.... Or maybe gun owners SHOULD he regulated. :think:
And again I ask, HOW IS REGULATING GUNS PUNISHING RESPONSIBLE GUN OWNERS? If they are responsible gun owners, they regulations will not affect them.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Everyone from outside our country.....Placing our children and communities at risk to shoot at beer cans......
Good grief
I know you are in a place where the gunfire sings a sweet song (weird, man... weird), but don't get stuck on the scenario I illustrated that most likely describes your reality. It's okay to load up the old truck, drive out to the backwoods, drink beer, and then shoot your beer cans and maybe even any critter that happens to run by you. This is what your founding fathers wanted for you.
Speak to the other items though: the ones that depict the argument gun lovers present as weak, simple, and nonsensical. Hard to do, eh?
I'm done playing games with you "progressives"...I choose to defend myself in the most lethal way possible. It's my choice and I've made it. I'm not bringing a knife to a gun fight.
You keep your advice. I'll keep my guns.
Like I said earlier in the thread, why have your life run by fear? Pro-gun people overstate their need for protection and defense. Having a gun around creates a greater hazard than the protection you might get from it.
Like I said earlier in the thread, why have your life run by fear? Pro-gun people overstate their need for protection and defense. Having a gun around creates a greater hazard than the protection you might get from it.
Like I said earlier in the thread, why have your life run by fear? Pro-gun people overstate their need for protection and defense. Having a gun around creates a greater hazard than the protection you might get from it.
This is completely asinine.
Next...
If it's asinine, then you should be able to shoot it down with valid points pretty easily.
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I don't understand this quite rusty, are you saying that people outside of america should stop talking about the gun issue in america? I don't know what you mean by this.
why would anybody care if people outside our country don't like our gun laws ? rell em to stay in their friggin country.
as for the rest of your post all I can say is :? and
Godfather.
I know you are in a place where the gunfire sings a sweet song (weird, man... weird), but don't get stuck on the scenario I illustrated that most likely describes your reality. It's okay to load up the old truck, drive out to the backwoods, drink beer, and then shoot your beer cans and maybe even any critter that happens to run by you. This is what your founding fathers wanted for you.
Speak to the other items though: the ones that depict the argument gun lovers present as weak, simple, and nonsensical. Hard to do, eh?
Am I speaking with Scooby Doo?
"Shaggy, rell 'em to ray away!"
Clown.
Just bring the fella's with you.
nice one
Godfather.
I'm done playing games with you "progressives"...I choose to defend myself in the most lethal way possible. It's my choice and I've made it. I'm not bringing a knife to a gun fight.
You keep your advice. I'll keep my guns.
I really don't believe the right to keep and bare arms is scaring off too many tourist..that's a long shot call there.
infact I'll bet that gun related sports draws in tourist every year,just because some anti gun nut whines about Americans right to own a gun dose not mean they have a clue what their talking about..
Godfather.
you think because of these idiots that commit crimes using a gun makes it o.k to punish everybody that owns a gun ? and this bullshit using Newtown killing and alike as an excuse to put stricter control on responsible gun owners if fucking lame..I'll say it one more time "people kill people" if they use a gun,knife,car or a bowling ball the fact remains a person with the ability to think and act killed those people,why is that so frigging hard to understand ???????
Godfather.
I am not getting dragging into the utter idiocy of the "knives and cars kill people too" argument. We've already done that, and I think that the great majority of us agree that it's one of the most ridiculous arguments of all time. But I do always think about all those stories where some freak with a knife went on a rampage and the headlines are always "such and such number of people hurt". And when some freak with a gun goes on a rampage the headlines are always "such and such number of people killed." .... Hmm. But the same isn't necessarily true when it comes to bombs.... Bombs are arms, aren't they? So I guess you must be against regulations and restrictions on bomb ownership too, right?
Godfather.
really, bombs ???? it's a baited question and you're pulling at straws,your reasoning and excuses are in my opinion very weak and over used,you and others keep blamming murder on the weapon (gun) almost as if the person that commited the crime was being controled by the weapon leaving them powerles and void of rational thought because the weapon had control over them....geeeeezzzz.
Godfather.
Yes, bombs. It's not a baited question. It's the exact same reasoning, because I'm asking you about regulations and how they punish responsible people. If bombs are regulated and restricted, why aren't guns? They both can kill a lot of people. If you don't want restrictions on guns, why would you want restrictions on bombs? What's the difference? My point is, of course, that not wanting regulations and restrictions for guns is illogical.
the differencr between guns and bombs ? you'd have a hard time finding guns that match the power and influance that "fat man" and "little boy" had.
I believe certin restrictions on guns are necessary as far as who can legally buy them but to keep adding restrictions every time some nut job uses a gun in a crime is just stupid,there was no doubt who did some of these killings maybe if they were publicly stiped naked and and disembouled or drawn and quatered it would make SOME of these attention seeking nut jobs think a little harder before using a gun or any weapon to commit murder , in other words punish the guilty parties not the rersponsible gun owners.
Godfather.
And again I ask, HOW IS REGULATING GUNS PUNISHING RESPONSIBLE GUN OWNERS? If they are responsible gun owners, they regulations will not affect them.
Like I said earlier in the thread, why have your life run by fear? Pro-gun people overstate their need for protection and defense. Having a gun around creates a greater hazard than the protection you might get from it.
This is completely asinine.
Next...
If it's asinine, then you should be able to shoot it down with valid points pretty easily.