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She just walked away?

SPEEDY MCCREADYSPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 25,622
edited May 2013 in A Moving Train
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Take me piece by piece.....
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    Apparently she decided to leave her eyebrows behind as well.
  • LloydXmasLloydXmas Posts: 7,539
    Her husband must have lost their life savings at a carnival.
  • jasonjason Posts: 468
    LloydXmas wrote:
    Her husband must have lost their life savings at a carnival.

    :lol::lol::lol::lol:
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    LloydXmas wrote:
    Her husband must have lost their life savings at a carnival.
    :mrgreen:

    She was too good for a rastafarian banana? What a bitch.

    :fp:
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    what a sad story, we just can't understand what she was going through mentaly when she walked away
    and not for me to judge her, her then husband wanted a devorice she stressed about taking care of her kid's then snapped. everything had ended in her mind maybe.

    Godfather.
  • redrockredrock Posts: 18,341
    edited May 2013
    Agree Godfather. Whilst it's something I couldn't fathom doing, one just doesn't know. Some might top themselves, others completely lose it and end up in a mental facility, some 'disappear'... And some deal with it.
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  • mydogmookieblaylockmydogmookieblaylock Posts: 2,996
    ......so?
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    wow.
    hear my name
    take a good look
    this could be the day
    hold my hand
    lie beside me
    i just need to say
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    She is 54?
    ...
    Gosh... I hope 54 isn't the new 92.
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
  • the wolfthe wolf Posts: 7,027
    I dream of just walking away.
    Peace, Love.

    "To question your government is not unpatriotic --
    to not question your government is unpatriotic."
    -- Sen. Chuck Hagel
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    Tough to hurt the ones who love you, what a terrible thing to put people through,
    them not knowing, them imagining the worse ...
    the husband a suspect, the children's trust :cry:

    I was thinking this morning, hearing the story of an anchorman here.
    His beautiful teenage son has been battling a brain tumor. Another surgery today.
    People have to face so much through no fault of their own, then people
    who are blessed turn their lives to crap and don't appreciate the chance for love
    and happiness they are given.

    This woman did just that and she has paid an immeasurable price.
    She may not even realize the depth of pain she has caused til she passes.
    I would like to hope the kids could forgive for their own well being but
    God that must hurt. Ultimate betrayal, their Mother.
  • the wolfthe wolf Posts: 7,027
    I understand that it sucked to put the people who cared about her through that, and i could never do it.
    Having said that, what about her? I mean, why are people with depression issues always told it's selfish to do
    what they feel like they have to do to get by?
    I mean really. Same with suicide. Some people say it's the most selfish thing you can do, and a cowards way out.
    I read a very indepth study about suicide and they "types" of people that attempt suicide, and all the doc's involved came to the conclusion that it was neither selfish nor cowardly in most cases of suicide or suicide attempts.
    The reason being is this, as humans our most basic urge is survival. To get to a place that you can actually overcome the need to survive and take your own life is far from being a puss and taking the easy way out.
    The basic need to survive is the single strongest thing we feel as humans, so to take you own life is, according to these people that did the study, in fact the hardest, thing they could do, and some even said the bravest thing they could do. To fight that basic instinct of self preservation and end your life is not EASY at all, very much the opposite.

    As far as selfish? Isn't it just as selfish for the "loved ones" to expect someone like that to live in a situation
    they feel is unlivable?
    Why is no one lining up and telling the loved ones they are selfish? I mean to be so depressed you want to end your life, or leave it behind.... that's a level of depression i hope most here will never know.
    So to call those people selfish is unacceptable in my eyes.

    No one knows what those people are feeling at that moment in time, when they make that choice.
    And i hope most never do.

    *stepping down from my soapbox now*
    Peace, Love.

    "To question your government is not unpatriotic --
    to not question your government is unpatriotic."
    -- Sen. Chuck Hagel
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,962
    What a bitch. Depression is no excuse for doing that.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    the wolf wrote:
    I dream of just walking away.


    you can walk away but you can never leave,

    Godfather.
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    the wolf wrote:
    I understand that it sucked to put the people who cared about her through that, and i could never do it.
    Having said that, what about her? I mean, why are people with depression issues always told it's selfish to do
    what they feel like they have to do to get by?
    I mean really. Same with suicide. Some people say it's the most selfish thing you can do, and a cowards way out.
    I read a very indepth study about suicide and they "types" of people that attempt suicide, and all the doc's involved came to the conclusion that it was neither selfish nor cowardly in most cases of suicide or suicide attempts.
    The reason being is this, as humans our most basic urge is survival. To get to a place that you can actually overcome the need to survive and take your own life is far from being a puss and taking the easy way out.
    The basic need to survive is the single strongest thing we feel as humans, so to take you own life is, according to these people that did the study, in fact the hardest, thing they could do, and some even said the bravest thing they could do. To fight that basic instinct of self preservation and end your life is not EASY at all, very much the opposite.

    As far as selfish? Isn't it just as selfish for the "loved ones" to expect someone like that to live in a situation
    they feel is unlivable?
    Why is no one lining up and telling the loved ones they are selfish? I mean to be so depressed you want to end your life, or leave it behind.... that's a level of depression i hope most here will never know.
    So to call those people selfish is unacceptable in my eyes.

    No one knows what those people are feeling at that moment in time, when they make that choice.
    And i hope most never do.

    *stepping down from my soapbox now*
    Having been in selfish places I get what you are saying
    its a deep dark place to be...
    but and a great big but... children are involved here.

    What saved me were a few small words on MTV...
    "once you are a parent suicide is no longer an option" seems like a simple thought yes?
    It was a light into my heart. My young ones spread out in front of the TV.
    I knew what I had to learn to do no matter what. Forgive myself.
    Be there for them.

    This women put her family through such torture though. I just don't get that.
    The not knowing what happened her, making her husband a suspect etc.
    It was as though she punished them. Was that the intent? I don't know.
    She has this to this carry though through eternity and she will know the pain she caused
    and have to make sense of the why. Why not seek help? Why punish her children?
  • redrockredrock Posts: 18,341
    Good soapbox Wolf.

    Some people here are so quick to 'justify' crime or 'excuse' the criminal and his/her actions because of possible mental illness (in a number of 'shooting' or horrible crime threads here). That they don't think straight, think of the consequences. That, as society, we are responsible and should do more to give help before it gets to their breaking point, etc.

    So why dump on this woman? Why can't she be one of those that should have gotten more help before her breaking point? She couldn't cope and none of the 'loved ones' around her -that she put through the mill, betrayed and so hurt - noticed she couldn't cope and helped.

    I am not condoning what she did and, as I said, I don't think I could (but then, who knows). But this is a very sad story.
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,962
    redrock wrote:
    Good soapbox Wolf.

    Some people here are so quick to 'justify' crime or 'excuse' the criminal and his/her actions because of possible mental illness (in a number of 'shooting' or horrible crime threads here). That they don't think straight, think of the consequences. That, as society, we are responsible and should do more to give help before it gets to their breaking point, etc.

    So why dump on this woman? Why can't she be one of those that should have gotten more help before her breaking point? She couldn't cope and none of the 'loved ones' around her -that she put through the mill, betrayed and so hurt - noticed she couldn't cope and helped.

    I am not condoning what she did and, as I said, I don't think I could (but then, who knows). But this is a very sad story.
    Sounds more like she was being super, duper selfish. Sounds like she was perfectly capable of not leaving, but she just made a snap decision that seemed easiest to her at the time. What I'm wondering is why a few of you just to her defense to easily, not why others are so quick to condemn what she did. Is there some kind of rule that I don't know about that says depressed or stressed people can't be assholes too?? I don't think so. I've never heard anyone jump to the defense of fathers who go for a pack of smokes and never come home again... are people jumping to defend this woman because she's female??
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    it's called compassion ... it's putting it out there in the universe that it is easy to judge but often we judge without knowing all the facts ... as a society - we are more adept at jumping on someone when they are down instead of helping them up ...

    no one really knows what compelled her to make the decision she did ... one that she currently feels a great deal of shame about ... the majority of us live cushy lives and i think sometimes we lose sight of what that means ...
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,962
    polaris_x wrote:
    it's called compassion ... it's putting it out there in the universe that it is easy to judge but often we judge without knowing all the facts ... as a society - we are more adept at jumping on someone when they are down instead of helping them up ...

    no one really knows what compelled her to make the decision she did ... one that she currently feels a great deal of shame about ... the majority of us live cushy lives and i think sometimes we lose sight of what that means ...
    I am only compassionate for those that deserve it. I don't see that this selfish woman does. If someone gives me a reason to feel compassion for her, then I will, but there is nothing I've read that tells me she deserves much more than contempt.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • redrockredrock Posts: 18,341
    Women can be as much of an asshole as men PJ_Soul.

    Whilst not quite 'defending' this lady, I am just asking why so quick to condemn. Sure, she seemed to have 'snapped' and just disappeared. Not much is said in this article so all is really speculation. But if it were planned, I would have thought someone would do a better job at the planning. It's not like she lived the life of Riley out there. Yes, she was going through troubled times, upset and she was maybe weaker than others. Many cope in her situation - and some much worse. She didn't - she saw a way out.

    I would speak of a father in the same situation in the same way.

    But here, it would seem that judgement has been made because she was a mother 'Ultimate betrayal, their Mother'

    What I'm saying - we don't know what happened. We don't know why. We don't know what kind of life she had (obviously not incredible relationship as she was going through a divorce. We don't know her medical history or anything. Seems some people are more inclined to give the benefit of the doubt to proven killers than a person who seems to have had an 'episode'.
  • the wolfthe wolf Posts: 7,027
    Godfather. wrote:
    the wolf wrote:
    I dream of just walking away.


    you can walk away but you can never leave,

    Godfather.

    :D
    Peace, Love.

    "To question your government is not unpatriotic --
    to not question your government is unpatriotic."
    -- Sen. Chuck Hagel
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    I am only compassionate for those that deserve it. I don't see that this selfish woman does. If someone gives me a reason to feel compassion for her, then I will, but there is nothing I've read that tells me she deserves much more than contempt.

    sooo ... a yahoo article or some press clippings are enough information for you to judge!? ... honestly, there's nothing wrong with that as we all do it in one form or another ... i just feel like we don't really know ... maybe more will come out ...
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,962
    redrock wrote:
    Women can be as much of an asshole as men PJ_Soul.

    Whilst not quite 'defending' this lady, I am just asking why so quick to condemn. Sure, she seemed to have 'snapped' and just disappeared. Not much is said in this article so all is really speculation. But if it were planned, I would have thought someone would do a better job at the planning. It's not like she lived the life of Riley out there. Yes, she was going through troubled times, upset and she was maybe weaker than others. Many cope in her situation - and some much worse. She didn't - she saw a way out.

    I would speak of a father in the same situation in the same way.

    But here, it would seem that judgement has been made because she was a mother 'Ultimate betrayal, their Mother'

    What I'm saying - we don't know what happened. We don't know why. We don't know what kind of life she had (obviously not incredible relationship as she was going through a divorce. We don't know her medical history or anything. Seems some people are more inclined to give the benefit of the doubt to proven killers than a person who seems to have had an 'episode'.
    Fair enough... although it did say that she was just sitting there, and 3 homeless people she didn't know approached her and asked her to come to Florida with them, and she just said okay, and left. No planning. She just bailed spur of the moment because it was easier than going home. That's what it sounds like.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,962
    polaris_x wrote:
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    I am only compassionate for those that deserve it. I don't see that this selfish woman does. If someone gives me a reason to feel compassion for her, then I will, but there is nothing I've read that tells me she deserves much more than contempt.

    sooo ... a yahoo article or some press clippings are enough information for you to judge!? ... honestly, there's nothing wrong with that as we all do it in one form or another ... i just feel like we don't really know ... maybe more will come out ...
    Sure. It's not like I know this woman or am invested. From what I know, I think she's selfish. It's not like my opinion, based on the information available, hurts anyone, so why not make a judgement (until some kind of info that will change my mind comes along, which I doubt will happen). I trust my instincts, and I do think there is enough info to base an opinion on. If she was depressed, that is not a good excuse IMO.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • redrockredrock Posts: 18,341
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    redrock wrote:
    Women can be as much of an asshole as men PJ_Soul.

    Whilst not quite 'defending' this lady, I am just asking why so quick to condemn. Sure, she seemed to have 'snapped' and just disappeared. Not much is said in this article so all is really speculation. But if it were planned, I would have thought someone would do a better job at the planning. It's not like she lived the life of Riley out there. Yes, she was going through troubled times, upset and she was maybe weaker than others. Many cope in her situation - and some much worse. She didn't - she saw a way out.

    I would speak of a father in the same situation in the same way.

    But here, it would seem that judgement has been made because she was a mother 'Ultimate betrayal, their Mother'

    What I'm saying - we don't know what happened. We don't know why. We don't know what kind of life she had (obviously not incredible relationship as she was going through a divorce. We don't know her medical history or anything. Seems some people are more inclined to give the benefit of the doubt to proven killers than a person who seems to have had an 'episode'.
    Fair enough... although it did say that she was just sitting there, and 3 homeless people she didn't know approached her and asked her to come to Florida with them, and she just said okay, and left. No planning. She just bailed spur of the moment because it was easier than going home. That's what it sounds like.

    She was sitting there, crying. Having heard that she had been denied housing/financial assistance, not quite knowing what she was going to be able to do with raising her kids. Vulnerable - 'kind' people see her, ask her what's up, propose an 'exit' and she takes it... Yes.. probably easier than facing the hardship.
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    depression makes some people do strange things.

    my mother and father seperated when I was in high school I came home from school and they were gone..no bullshit they left and went in different directions leaving 3 of us at home I was 18 my bro 17 and my sister 13
    and after a year of not making house payments and bootleging the water and electricty (hay we had to survive)
    the police finally told us to leave but for aprox 12-13 months we PARTIED !!!! and in that time we saw our mother or father only a few times, they turned their backs on us big time.
    we are all a family and getting along better now but the whole deal left gaps in the family unit that will never heal.

    moral of the story...man or woman both can snap and a walk away from life as they know it but they pay the price for the rest of their lives and never stop being sorry for what they did.

    Godfather.
  • the wolfthe wolf Posts: 7,027
    people who have never had the pleasure of going through, or being close to someone who is going through
    a severe bout with depression will NEVER understand that moment of pure helplessness and isolation that one feels. When i reached that point i was lucky that someone very close to me noticed. Most did not.
    I can say for without a doubt that at THAT very moment, it felt like the only way out. I obvioulsy wasn't thinking clearly, because the next day i was so thankful that this person showed up when they did and recognized what i was clearly trying to hide from them.

    it was Christmas eve of 2010. If she hadnt just stopped by my house unannounced when she did, i wouldn't have seen Christmas morning. What i cannot stress enough, was that in that moment of horror, it FELT like the only option, and the most natural thing in the world to do, and i was tottally okay with it.

    The thought of my family and friends finding out on Christmas day never even entered my mind, what did cross my mind would be the relief i imagined they would feel for not having to deal with Steve and his fucked up little world anymore.

    It sounds crazy, i know. It sounds crazy to me too now. At the time, that moment, maybe even just that hour.... it was the only way.

    An angel knocked on my door though, and now you fuckers are stuck with me.
    Peace, Love.

    "To question your government is not unpatriotic --
    to not question your government is unpatriotic."
    -- Sen. Chuck Hagel
  • the wolfthe wolf Posts: 7,027
    that's the most i've ever said about that night, and will probably be the only time i'll ever talk about it again.

    i understand where most are coming from on this, i just wish they for a second would try to understand the mindset of someone who reaches that "breaking" point.

    Thanks,
    Ya'll have a great weekend.
    Peace, Love.

    "To question your government is not unpatriotic --
    to not question your government is unpatriotic."
    -- Sen. Chuck Hagel
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    thanks for sharing ...

    the sad part is that the same people who will congratulate you now for hanging in will be the first to shit on you if you didn't ... meanwhile you are the same person ... sometimes a little compassion can go a long way for people ...
  • redrockredrock Posts: 18,341
    Godfather - that must have been such a shock to you and your siblings.
    Wolf - such darkness.....

    Both of you managed to deal with the situation (though by the skin of your teeth Wolf). Some can't and will go 'all the way'.
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