Face value question

dimitrispearljam

morello wrote:

So funny seeing both you kids posting. I can imagine you both sitting at home on your laptops or whatever. I visited a friend recently, I walked in when I got to their place & there they both were sitting on the couch with their laptops. 21st century eh? 8-)

i was thinking the same too

dimitrispearljam

Leezestarr313 wrote:

So you will have to have the proof for the shipping and everything on hand when you sell, to prove all the costs. I see. I might have interpreted "face value" wrong.

thats again the issue..
can i say "face value "when i enter the shipping cost in???

or i say what i origanaly paid ..and we all consinder it fair..

if im not wrong,i remember someone from europe a year ago,bought a S/N poster,90+35 shipping and asked when he sell it as he said for "face value 150$( 125 what he paid +25 registered )shipped to usa!!

morello

dimitrispearljam wrote:

morello wrote:

So funny seeing both you kids posting. I can imagine you both sitting at home on your laptops or whatever. I visited a friend recently, I walked in when I got to their place & there they both were sitting on the couch with their laptops. 21st century eh? 8-)

i was thinking the same too

CAVSTARR313

dimitrispearljam wrote:

morello wrote:

So funny seeing both you kids posting. I can imagine you both sitting at home on your laptops or whatever. I visited a friend recently, I walked in when I got to their place & there they both were sitting on the couch with their laptops. 21st century eh? 8-)

i was thinking the same too

sometimes it is best if she is in there, and I am in here..

we will meet later, in there, and all will be well

cheers to marriage

morello

Caveeze wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

morello wrote:

So funny seeing both you kids posting. I can imagine you both sitting at home on your laptops or whatever. I visited a friend recently, I walked in when I got to their place & there they both were sitting on the couch with their laptops. 21st century eh? 8-)

i was thinking the same too

sometimes it is best if she is in there, and I am in here..

we will meet later, in there, and all will be well

cheers to marriage

Hugh Freaking Dillon

front spacer wrote:

"Face value" to me, means the total cost you incurred in purchasing the poster. So that would be the price plus the shipping charge you paid to receive the poster.

I disagree. Because that means after shipping it to someone else I end up losing money. For example, I buy a poster for $35. The cost to ship it to me is $15. Total $50.

If I turn around and sell that item for $50 shipping included, I'm PAYING the $15 shipping, only netting back $35, losing $15 on the transaction.

Leezestarr313

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

front spacer wrote:

"Face value" to me, means the total cost you incurred in purchasing the poster. So that would be the price plus the shipping charge you paid to receive the poster.

I disagree. Because that means after shipping it to someone else I end up losing money. For example, I buy a poster for $35. The cost to ship it to me is $15. Total $50.

If I turn around and sell that item for $50 shipping included, I'm PAYING the $15 shipping, only netting back $35, losing $15 on the transaction.

But wouldn't the buyer pay the shipping? So if you sold it for $50 and the buyer pays the shipping you wouldn't lose or gain anything, and that is what I understand is "face value".

dimitrispearljam

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

front spacer wrote:

"Face value" to me, means the total cost you incurred in purchasing the poster. So that would be the price plus the shipping charge you paid to receive the poster.

I disagree. Because that means after shipping it to someone else I end up losing money. For example, I buy a poster for $35. The cost to ship it to me is $15. Total $50.

If I turn around and sell that item for $50 shipping included, I'm PAYING the $15 shipping, only netting back $35, losing $15 on the transaction.

ok,im confused..you disagree?arent you say the same thing with "front spacer"?

morello

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

front spacer wrote:

"Face value" to me, means the total cost you incurred in purchasing the poster. So that would be the price plus the shipping charge you paid to receive the poster.

I disagree. Because that means after shipping it to someone else I end up losing money. For example, I buy a poster for $35. The cost to ship it to me is $15. Total $50.

If I turn around and sell that item for $50 shipping included, I'm PAYING the $15 shipping, only netting back $35, losing $15 on the transaction.

If a poster cost you $35 & shipping to get it to you cost $15 then "face value" cost for you to sell it at is $50. Then if it needs shipping to the new buyer that would be on top of that, ie if it then costs another $15 to send it to the new buyer they need to give you $65. That's how I understand it all works.

dimitrispearljam

morello wrote:

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If a poster cost you $35 & shipping to get it to you cost $15 then "face value" cost for you to sell it at is $50. Then if it needs shipping to the new buyer that would be on top of that, ie if it then costs another $15 to send it to the new buyer they need to give you $65. That's how I understand it all works.

yep..works that way..
now see something funny.
as i said in the beggining,lets use an exable,i want to sell my berlin 10 poster..30+11..what a paid for and we say its face value..
now..
berlin poster isnt available anywhere in the site..so actually,i can ask whatever i want..
but lets stay i want the money i spent back..30$+11$

but if i want to sell my venice 2010 poster..actually i cant..
1st cos not allowed to sell anything is for sale in the site,Venice 2010 is available in the shop..

You can trade and set a reasonable price here for Pearl Jam memorabilia as long as the item is not available elsewhere on the site.

2nd will be consider flipping if i say 41,while here in the site the price was 30 $,(now its on sale,20$)

* Flipping is buying items (from Ten Club or merch booth, etc.) with the intent to resell for a profit.

even the rules can mess things!!

thats why i start the thread,what means face value??the original price of the item,or what cost me including shipping cost when i originaly bought it?

morello

Hmmm, ok, coz the other way of thinking about it is.... If you buy a poster at a concert, you pay no shipping sooooo if you, on the other hand chose not to buy the poster at the concert but to buy it later & get it shipped to you, well that's your choice & so that shipping cost is not the concern of the person you then sell the poster too later. They pay for shipping the poster to THEM of course but maybe they aren't liable for the cost of YOU buying the poster.

Example:
poster at concert if $35
you chose not to buy poster at concert but to buy poster later & have it shipped to you $35 + $15
you then decide to sell the poster
face value = $35 shipping from you to the new buyer = $15 total cost to be paid to you is $50

I have wondered this before. It's not the person who buys it off you's problem/fault that you decided to have it shipped to you.

Ok, another example, I buy a rare poster & have it shipped from the US to NZ. Poster = $100 + shipping = $50. Poster continues to escalate in price & rarity & a while later I hit tough times & look at selling my poster. Poster is now valued at $200 & shit, I lost myself. Hmmm, not sure what I'm getting at there but maybe what if someone back i the US wanted to buy it off me & so do they have to cough up for the extra I paid for it to ship all the way here or?????.....

Sorry, I may be losing the plot here!! 8-)

dimitrispearljam

morello wrote:

Hmmm, ok, coz the other way of thinking about it is.... If you buy a poster at a concert, you pay no shipping sooooo if you, on the other hand chose not to buy the poster at the concert but to buy it later & get it shipped to you, well that's your choice & so that shipping cost is not the concern of the person you then sell the poster too later. They pay for shipping the poster to THEM of course but maybe they aren't liable for the cost of YOU buying the poster.

Example:
poster at concert if $35
you chose not to buy poster at concert but to buy poster later & have it shipped to you $35 + $15
you then decide to sell the poster
face value = $35 shipping from you to the new buyer = $15 total cost to be paid to you is $50

I have wondered this before. It's not the person who buys it off you's problem/fault that you decided to have it shipped to you.

Ok, another example, I buy a rare poster & have it shipped from the US to NZ. Poster = $100 + shipping = $50. Poster continues to escalate in price & rarity & a while later I hit tough times & look at selling my poster. Poster is now valued at $200 & shit, I lost myself. Hmmm, not sure what I'm getting at there but maybe what if someone back i the US wanted to buy it off me & so do they have to cough up for the extra I paid for it to ship all the way here or?????.....

Sorry, I may be losing the plot here!! 8-)

lol..i hear ya..i understand..
but if i wasnt at the show??
and just want to buy the poster when 10c sell it?
if i was at the show,but was sold out before i get to the merch table?lol
whats the face value for me?

morello

dimitrispearljam wrote:

morello wrote:

Hmmm, ok, coz the other way of thinking about it is.... If you buy a poster at a concert, you pay no shipping sooooo if you, on the other hand chose not to buy the poster at the concert but to buy it later & get it shipped to you, well that's your choice & so that shipping cost is not the concern of the person you then sell the poster too later. They pay for shipping the poster to THEM of course but maybe they aren't liable for the cost of YOU buying the poster.

Example:
poster at concert if $35
you chose not to buy poster at concert but to buy poster later & have it shipped to you $35 + $15
you then decide to sell the poster
face value = $35 shipping from you to the new buyer = $15 total cost to be paid to you is $50

I have wondered this before. It's not the person who buys it off you's problem/fault that you decided to have it shipped to you.

Ok, another example, I buy a rare poster & have it shipped from the US to NZ. Poster = $100 + shipping = $50. Poster continues to escalate in price & rarity & a while later I hit tough times & look at selling my poster. Poster is now valued at $200 & shit, I lost myself. Hmmm, not sure what I'm getting at there but maybe what if someone back i the US wanted to buy it off me & so do they have to cough up for the extra I paid for it to ship all the way here or?????.....

Sorry, I may be losing the plot here!! 8-)

lol..i hear ya..i understand..
but if i wasnt at the show??
and just want to buy the poster when 10c sell it?
if i was at the show,but was sold out before i get to the merch table?lol
whats the face value for me?

Hmmm, face value for you then is whatever it cost, total, for you to get the poster - poster & shipping included.

boyo79

Maybe start another thread asking why do people interfere in selling threads just because they aren't happy with the price quoted.

dimitrispearljam

boyo79 wrote:

Maybe start another thread asking why do people interfere in selling threads just because they aren't happy with the price quoted.

i want to understand what people means by saying face value and if the term means the same with what originaly paid..
at tickets its clear,cos there are no shipping costs..

and if its still face value - originaly paid,when you buy an item already more that the 1st sale..(exable,i just want my money back,i paid 100 for that poster,even the face value was 30)
or face value,consider ONLY the 1st oiriginal price of the item and if shipping must included at the price..

seems almost all agree you must put the shipping cost in as well you paid

morello

dimitrispearljam wrote:

i want to understand what people means by saying face value and if the term means the same with what originaly paid..
at tickets its clear,cos there are no shipping costs..

and if its still face value - originaly paid,when you buy an item already more that the 1st sale..(exable,i just want my money back,i paid 100 for that poster,even the face value was 30)
or face value,consider ONLY the 1st oiriginal price of the item and if shipping must included at the price..

seems almost all agree you must put the shipping cost in as well you paid

I think that's called the secondary market dimi & yeah, once things get to that, still people can ask the price THEY paid so 100 even though originally the item was 30. It has to be that was otherwise, if I was now selling a poster from a 1992 concert, I can't be expected to just take whatever it cost me back then. Face value = what was originally paid, except once something has become a collectors item perhaps.

dimitrispearljam

morello wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

i want to understand what people means by saying face value and if the term means the same with what originaly paid..
at tickets its clear,cos there are no shipping costs..

and if its still face value - originaly paid,when you buy an item already more that the 1st sale..(exable,i just want my money back,i paid 100 for that poster,even the face value was 30)
or face value,consider ONLY the 1st oiriginal price of the item and if shipping must included at the price..

seems almost all agree you must put the shipping cost in as well you paid

I think that's called the secondary market dimi & yeah, once things get to that, still people can ask the price THEY paid so 100 even though originally the item was 30. It has to be that was otherwise, if I was now selling a poster from a 1992 concert, I can't be expected to just take whatever it cost me back then. Face value = what was originally paid, except once something has become a collectors item perhaps.

seems that way..after years its in collectors item categofy..

morello

dimitrispearljam wrote:

morello wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

i want to understand what people means by saying face value and if the term means the same with what originaly paid..
at tickets its clear,cos there are no shipping costs..

and if its still face value - originaly paid,when you buy an item already more that the 1st sale..(exable,i just want my money back,i paid 100 for that poster,even the face value was 30)
or face value,consider ONLY the 1st oiriginal price of the item and if shipping must included at the price..

seems almost all agree you must put the shipping cost in as well you paid

I think that's called the secondary market dimi & yeah, once things get to that, still people can ask the price THEY paid so 100 even though originally the item was 30. It has to be that was otherwise, if I was now selling a poster from a 1992 concert, I can't be expected to just take whatever it cost me back then. Face value = what was originally paid, except once something has become a collectors item perhaps.

seems that way..after years its in collectors item categofy..

HEX

Face value for posters is the original price IMO.
The original price + costs for shipping + customs duty + taxes is the total 'price you paid' and not 'face value'.
I think it's fair to sell a poster for the 'price you paid' though the price will increase ......

Buying a S/N artist print for $50 will cost me $123 :shock:
$50 poster
$38 shipping
$35 customs

Selling that poster for 'face value': $50
Selling that poster for the 'price I paid': $123

dimitrispearljam

another exable i remember now..a little different,but still..
at euro 2012 i sell my spare 10c tickets for both berlin show to a Greek girl..
when i paid them with my cc card,was 5-6 months before the day of the show and in american dollars..the conversion to euros was 77 euros per ticket
but when i pick up the tickets at the 10c box offce on the paper of the tix the price was 62.5 euros..
so i said to the girl.,it says 62.5...you gonna pay 62.5...
so actually i sold them less of what i paid..i didnt want to think i was fool her or something