obamacare petition

gimmesometruth27

know1 wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

that is completely opposite of everything i have been told by people who sell insurance. they said that individual and family policies purchased outside of work plans are more expensive a lot of the time. :?

COBRA is much more expensive, i know that for a fact.

Have you looked into it? Before and after we were married, we had an individual policy for my wife. It was cheaper than being on my company's insurance at the time. I changed employers and it's cheaper here now, but the insurance isn't as good as what she had.

My point is that people think insurance doesn't exist outside of an employer, but for a relatively healthy 24 year old, you could get a high deductible plan for very little.

key word, high deductible. most people don't have 5 grand sitting around to pay off a "high deductible". that is why people choose to go uninsured, because why pay for premiums when the first 5 grand comes out of your own pocket anyway?

Godfather.

Jeanwah wrote:

Really, Godfather? How can we have a reasonable discussion when the petition you want us to sign is from the GOP?

You may as well start posting links from Fox News again.

we gotta spice it up a little.

Godfather.

Abuskedti

know1 wrote:

Abuskedti wrote:

BinFrog wrote:

Tell me how Obamacare affects you personally. Do you get health insurance through work?

I have twin sons, 24 years old that are now covered on my insurance plan.

You could have bought them a plan on your own for probably cheaper....but I guess it's better to be handed something even if it costs more.

the fact is that I am retired military and my family is also covered through that plan. However, the Military got a waiver from the Affordable Healthcare Act, and so my boys in college were not covered once they turned 23. We did the research, and even thought my and my daughter have good coverage, I bought a completely new family plan through my work. This policy is required to follow the new law, and therefore my sons are covered until age 26. The coverage provided was cheaper than had we purchased two individual policies for each of the boys.

Abuskedti

know1 wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

that is completely opposite of everything i have been told by people who sell insurance. they said that individual and family policies purchased outside of work plans are more expensive a lot of the time. :?

COBRA is much more expensive, i know that for a fact.

Have you looked into it? Before and after we were married, we had an individual policy for my wife. It was cheaper than being on my company's insurance at the time. I changed employers and it's cheaper here now, but the insurance isn't as good as what she had.

My point is that people think insurance doesn't exist outside of an employer, but for a relatively healthy 24 year old, you could get a high deductible plan for very little.

show me a comprehensive healthcare policy for a relatively healthy 24 year old for very little. How much is very little?

Cosmo

If you get your access to Health Care from your employer... you are one pink slip away from losing that access.

know1

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

key word, high deductible. most people don't have 5 grand sitting around to pay off a "high deductible". that is why people choose to go uninsured, because why pay for premiums when the first 5 grand comes out of your own pocket anyway?

Her's wasn't high deductible and it was $225 per month. That was only 2 years ago.

Most 24 year olds are in pretty good health and can get cheap insurance. They are just brainwashed into thinking their company has to provide it for them.

If someone doesn't have $5K (or even $2500 as is the case for my deductible) "sitting around" to pay for their own health issues, then that should be their highest priority. But that's another subject.

know1

Cosmo wrote:

If you get your access to Health Care from your employer... you are one pink slip away from losing that access.

You don't get health "care" from your employer unless they are a medical institution, but that's just another example of the brainwashing.

But I agree with your point. I actually think there's some merit to the notion that employers shouldn't even be allowed to provide health insurance. That's what's gotten us in this mess.

know1

Abuskedti wrote:

know1 wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

that is completely opposite of everything i have been told by people who sell insurance. they said that individual and family policies purchased outside of work plans are more expensive a lot of the time. :?

COBRA is much more expensive, i know that for a fact.

Have you looked into it? Before and after we were married, we had an individual policy for my wife. It was cheaper than being on my company's insurance at the time. I changed employers and it's cheaper here now, but the insurance isn't as good as what she had.

My point is that people think insurance doesn't exist outside of an employer, but for a relatively healthy 24 year old, you could get a high deductible plan for very little.

show me a comprehensive healthcare policy for a relatively healthy 24 year old for very little. How much is very little?

2 years ago my wife was paying $225 per month for good insurance. It wasn't high deductible and it was from Anthem/Blue Cross. She was 30 at the time. It was comparable to the insurance that she could obtain through my employer and was about $100 cheaper per month than adding her to my coverage.

I suspect the real issue is that people are basically incapable of paying for it on their own without it being automatically taken out of their paychecks before they get the money and paid for them.

Godfather.

The bill, approved Wednesday by a vote of 65-39, declares President Obama's signature legislation "null and void." Whereas the law that Obama pushed and Congress passed is known as the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, South Carolina's law would be known as the Freedom of Health Care Protection Act.



Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/05 ... z2SEKLTGyB


Godfather.

Go Beavers

Godfather. wrote:

The bill, approved Wednesday by a vote of 65-39, declares President Obama's signature legislation "null and void." Whereas the law that Obama pushed and Congress passed is known as the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, South Carolina's law would be known as the Freedom of Health Care Protection Act.



Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/05 ... z2SEKLTGyB


Godfather.

Good old South Carolina. I love the southern charm from the Governor: "We will not expand Medicaid ever."

Choccoloccotide

Godfather. wrote:

The bill, approved Wednesday by a vote of 65-39, declares President Obama's signature legislation "null and void." Whereas the law that Obama pushed and Congress passed is known as the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, South Carolina's law would be known as the Freedom of Health Care Protection Act.



Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/05 ... z2SEKLTGyB


Godfather.

Way to go SC!! Hopefully more states will stand up and be heard!

Moonpig

Godfather. wrote:

While millions of Americans are set to suffer the consequences of Obamacare, Democrats in Congress are trying to find a way to exempt themselves and their staffs from the health insurance exchanges set up by this horrible legislation.
We have always known this law is a disaster, and now Democrats want special treatment while middle class Americans continue to bear the brunt.
If Obamacare isn't good enough for Harry Reid and his staff, it isn't good enough for us!


http://www.gop.com/w/everyone-should-be ... e-petition


Godfather.

the very notion of trying to help millions of people who, up to this point could not afford health insurance. This whole "help your neighbor" thing is a disgrace, take me back to the good ole days where people knew their place in life.......

Jason P

Irony.

Some unions now angry about health care overhaul

WASHINGTON (AP) — When President Barack Obama pushed his health care overhaul plan through Congress, he counted labor unions among his strongest supporters.

But some unions leaders have grown frustrated and angry about what they say are unexpected consequences of the new law — problems that they say could jeopardize the health benefits offered to millions of their members.

The issue could create a political headache next year for Democrats facing re-election if disgruntled union members believe the Obama administration and Congress aren't working to fix the problem.

"It makes an untruth out of what the president said, that if you like your insurance, you could keep it," said Joe Hansen, president of the United Food and Commercial Workers International Union. "That is not going to be true for millions of workers now."

The problem lies in the unique multiemployer health plans that cover unionized workers in retail, construction, transportation and other industries with seasonal or temporary employment. Known as Taft-Hartley plans, they are jointly administered by unions and smaller employers that pool resources to offer more than 20 million workers and family members continuous coverage, even during times of unemployment.

The union plans were already more costly to run than traditional single-employer health plans. The Affordable Care Act has added to that cost — for the unions' and other plans — by requiring health plans to cover dependents up to age 26, eliminate annual or lifetime coverage limits and extend coverage to people with pre-existing conditions.

"We're concerned that employers will be increasingly tempted to drop coverage through our plans and let our members fend for themselves on the health exchanges," said David Treanor, director of health care initiatives at the Operating Engineers union.

Workers seeking coverage in the state-based marketplaces, known as exchanges, can qualify for subsidies, determined by a sliding scale based on income. By contrast, the new law does not allow workers in the union plans to receive similar subsidies.

....

http://news.yahoo.com/unions-now-angry-health-care-overhaul-074904729.html

Jason P

Our POTUS is off to a hell of a second term start.

Forward.

ldent42

I still don't understand Obamacare. Where can I get some?