obamacare petition

Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
edited May 2013 in A Moving Train
While millions of Americans are set to suffer the consequences of Obamacare, Democrats in Congress are trying to find a way to exempt themselves and their staffs from the health insurance exchanges set up by this horrible legislation.
We have always known this law is a disaster, and now Democrats want special treatment while middle class Americans continue to bear the brunt.
If Obamacare isn't good enough for Harry Reid and his staff, it isn't good enough for us!


http://www.gop.com/w/everyone-should-be ... e-petition


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  • Because of Obamacare my uncle can have surgery done that couldn't be done before Obamacare.

    So...yeah, not signing that. I know it ain't perfect, but it has helped my family so far.

    Until the GOP can offer a "better" solution to Health Care, then they should stop wasting their energy on this and either:

    A) Start doing things to make more jobs
    B) Lower gas prices
    C) They should start looking for new jobs because at the rate they are going they won't have a job much longer
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  • BinFrogBinFrog Posts: 7,309
    Tell me how Obamacare affects you personally. Do you get health insurance through work?
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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Because of Obamacare my uncle can have surgery done that couldn't be done before Obamacare.

    So...yeah, not signing that. I know it ain't perfect, but it has helped my family so far.

    Until the GOP can offer a "better" solution to Health Care, then they should stop wasting their energy on this and either:

    A) Start doing things to make more jobs
    B) Lower gas prices
    C) They should start looking for new jobs because at the rate they are going they won't have a job much longer


    cool.

    Godfather.
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    BinFrog wrote:
    Tell me how Obamacare affects you personally. Do you get health insurance through work?


    I have insurance through work and has not affected me yet.

    Godfather.
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    I read that some in Congress, the wealthier, may have to pay for insurance now
    because there was not a provision for the Feds to pay 75% of their costs in the bill,
    that is covered now.

    That's what they want to change.
  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    Godfather. wrote:
    BinFrog wrote:
    Tell me how Obamacare affects you personally. Do you get health insurance through work?


    I have insurance through work and has not affected me yet.

    Godfather.

    Our work told us that next year they may opt to pay the penalty and not offer us insurance. They think both the company and employees will be better off financially if we get our own insurance through the insurance exchange. This is likely due to it being a fairly small company.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,633
    Godfather. wrote:
    BinFrog wrote:
    Tell me how Obamacare affects you personally. Do you get health insurance through work?


    I have insurance through work and has not affected me yet.

    Godfather.
    yep, my rates dropped a few dollars a week for the same plan I had when I signed upon becoming eligible last year. DAMN YOU OBAMA!!!!!!!
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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    don't you guy's find it just a little comunistic (did I just make that word up ? :lol: ) that an insurance plan is basically forced on people or that our taxes will cover those that don't work and just the thought of all that tax money we are trusting that some half assed politions will use that money for obamacare and not some other bullshit agenda that don't help the American people at all...then tell us the tax fund is drying up we need to raise the obamacare taxes, I see mountains of bullshit headed our way ..mark my words. ;)

    Godfather.
  • Godfather. wrote:
    don't you guy's find it just a little comunistic (did I just make that word up ? :lol: ) that an insurance plan is basically forced on people or that our taxes will cover those that don't work and just the thought of all that tax money we are trusting that some half assed politions will use that money for obamacare and not some other bullshit agenda that don't help the American people at all...then tell us the tax fund is drying up we need to raise the obamacare taxes, I see mountains of bullshit headed our way ..mark my words. ;)

    Godfather.

    Not at all. I don't care who did this, whether it was Bush, Obama, or Reagan. This Health Care system is better than what we had previously. It's not perfect, but its better. I think its kind of dumb to basically be paying for everyone through taxes, but at the same time its good to know people are being taken care of and being treated with proper medical care. I think some revisions need to be made, not a full repeal of it.

    I think its really ignorant when you say "those who don't work." It puts a negative meaning to that. I have a few family members out of work, not because they are "lazy" but for various reasons including business being shut down, medical reasons, etc. How you said it makes me think you think that not working equals lazy, undeserving people.

    If that is not what you mean, then I apologize. But that is what I got from it.
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    You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
    or you can come to terms and realize
    you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
    makes much more sense to live in the present tense
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,633
    Godfather. wrote:
    don't you guy's find it just a little comunistic (did I just make that word up ? :lol: ) that an insurance plan is basically forced on people or that our taxes will cover those that don't work and just the thought of all that tax money we are trusting that some half assed politions will use that money for obamacare and not some other bullshit agenda that don't help the American people at all...then tell us the tax fund is drying up we need to raise the obamacare taxes, I see mountains of bullshit headed our way ..mark my words. ;)

    Godfather.
    just who do you think was paying for all those ER as primary care unpaid bills? As I see it, its the same money , but perhaps able to be spent jsut a little wiser? And allow those who slip through the cracks anyway to be able to get care?
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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Godfather. wrote:
    don't you guy's find it just a little comunistic (did I just make that word up ? :lol: ) that an insurance plan is basically forced on people or that our taxes will cover those that don't work and just the thought of all that tax money we are trusting that some half assed politions will use that money for obamacare and not some other bullshit agenda that don't help the American people at all...then tell us the tax fund is drying up we need to raise the obamacare taxes, I see mountains of bullshit headed our way ..mark my words. ;)

    Godfather.

    Not at all. I don't care who did this, whether it was Bush, Obama, or Reagan. This Health Care system is better than what we had previously. It's not perfect, but its better. I think its kind of dumb to basically be paying for everyone through taxes, but at the same time its good to know people are being taken care of and being treated with proper medical care. I think some revisions need to be made, not a full repeal of it.

    I think its really ignorant when you say "those who don't work." It puts a negative meaning to that. I have a few family members out of work, not because they are "lazy" but for various reasons including business being shut down, medical reasons, etc. How you said it makes me think you think that not working equals lazy, undeserving people.

    If that is not what you mean, then I apologize. But that is what I got from it.


    no I didn't mean "lazy people" especially during these times but that being said there are plenty of people that make a living off the system that are perfectly able to work.

    and I also stand by my statement about half assed politions and by that I mean dem's and republicans and anybody else in government that are not trust worthy and judging by past records I find it hard to trust any polition when it comes to our tax money.

    Godfather.
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    mickeyrat wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    don't you guy's find it just a little comunistic (did I just make that word up ? :lol: ) that an insurance plan is basically forced on people or that our taxes will cover those that don't work and just the thought of all that tax money we are trusting that some half assed politions will use that money for obamacare and not some other bullshit agenda that don't help the American people at all...then tell us the tax fund is drying up we need to raise the obamacare taxes, I see mountains of bullshit headed our way ..mark my words. ;)

    Godfather.
    just who do you think was paying for all those ER as primary care unpaid bills? As I see it, its the same money , but perhaps able to be spent jsut a little wiser? And allow those who slip through the cracks anyway to be able to get care?
    it will be the same money but just a lot more of it and you don't have a choice now,something needed to be done but I don't think obama care is it, just my opinion.

    Godfather.
  • AbuskedtiAbuskedti Posts: 1,917
    BinFrog wrote:
    Tell me how Obamacare affects you personally. Do you get health insurance through work?

    I have twin sons, 24 years old that are now covered on my insurance plan. :)
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    the only way i would sign that is if we got universal single payer in exchange.
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  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    Abuskedti wrote:
    BinFrog wrote:
    Tell me how Obamacare affects you personally. Do you get health insurance through work?

    I have twin sons, 24 years old that are now covered on my insurance plan. :)

    You could have bought them a plan on your own for probably cheaper....but I guess it's better to be handed something even if it costs more.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    know1 wrote:
    Abuskedti wrote:
    BinFrog wrote:
    Tell me how Obamacare affects you personally. Do you get health insurance through work?

    I have twin sons, 24 years old that are now covered on my insurance plan. :)

    You could have bought them a plan on your own for probably cheaper....but I guess it's better to be handed something even if it costs more.
    that is completely opposite of everything i have been told by people who sell insurance. they said that individual and family policies purchased outside of work plans are more expensive a lot of the time. :?

    COBRA is much more expensive, i know that for a fact.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

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  • BinFrogBinFrog Posts: 7,309
    that is completely opposite of everything i have been told by people who sell insurance. they said that individual and family policies purchased outside of work plans are more expensive a lot of the time. :?

    COBRA is much more expensive, i know that for a fact.


    Stop it....you're making too much sense.
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  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    that is completely opposite of everything i have been told by people who sell insurance. they said that individual and family policies purchased outside of work plans are more expensive a lot of the time. :?

    COBRA is much more expensive, i know that for a fact.

    Have you looked into it? Before and after we were married, we had an individual policy for my wife. It was cheaper than being on my company's insurance at the time. I changed employers and it's cheaper here now, but the insurance isn't as good as what she had.

    My point is that people think insurance doesn't exist outside of an employer, but for a relatively healthy 24 year old, you could get a high deductible plan for very little.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    know1 wrote:
    that is completely opposite of everything i have been told by people who sell insurance. they said that individual and family policies purchased outside of work plans are more expensive a lot of the time. :?

    COBRA is much more expensive, i know that for a fact.

    Have you looked into it? Before and after we were married, we had an individual policy for my wife. It was cheaper than being on my company's insurance at the time. I changed employers and it's cheaper here now, but the insurance isn't as good as what she had.

    My point is that people think insurance doesn't exist outside of an employer, but for a relatively healthy 24 year old, you could get a high deductible plan for very little.


    a good friend of mine(53 years old non smoker in good shape) lost his job and the cheapest insurance he could find for he and his son who was 18 at the time was $1400 a month, thru work it cost me aprox,$400 a month with a $15 deductable for my wife ,son and I .


    Godfather.
  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    Really, Godfather? How can we have a reasonable discussion when the petition you want us to sign is from the GOP?

    You may as well start posting links from Fox News again. :lol:
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    know1 wrote:
    that is completely opposite of everything i have been told by people who sell insurance. they said that individual and family policies purchased outside of work plans are more expensive a lot of the time. :?

    COBRA is much more expensive, i know that for a fact.

    Have you looked into it? Before and after we were married, we had an individual policy for my wife. It was cheaper than being on my company's insurance at the time. I changed employers and it's cheaper here now, but the insurance isn't as good as what she had.

    My point is that people think insurance doesn't exist outside of an employer, but for a relatively healthy 24 year old, you could get a high deductible plan for very little.
    key word, high deductible. most people don't have 5 grand sitting around to pay off a "high deductible". that is why people choose to go uninsured, because why pay for premiums when the first 5 grand comes out of your own pocket anyway?
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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Jeanwah wrote:
    Really, Godfather? How can we have a reasonable discussion when the petition you want us to sign is from the GOP?

    You may as well start posting links from Fox News again. :lol:

    :lol: we gotta spice it up a little. :lol:

    Godfather.
  • AbuskedtiAbuskedti Posts: 1,917
    know1 wrote:
    Abuskedti wrote:
    BinFrog wrote:
    Tell me how Obamacare affects you personally. Do you get health insurance through work?

    I have twin sons, 24 years old that are now covered on my insurance plan. :)

    You could have bought them a plan on your own for probably cheaper....but I guess it's better to be handed something even if it costs more.

    the fact is that I am retired military and my family is also covered through that plan. However, the Military got a waiver from the Affordable Healthcare Act, and so my boys in college were not covered once they turned 23. We did the research, and even thought my and my daughter have good coverage, I bought a completely new family plan through my work. This policy is required to follow the new law, and therefore my sons are covered until age 26. The coverage provided was cheaper than had we purchased two individual policies for each of the boys.
  • AbuskedtiAbuskedti Posts: 1,917
    know1 wrote:
    that is completely opposite of everything i have been told by people who sell insurance. they said that individual and family policies purchased outside of work plans are more expensive a lot of the time. :?

    COBRA is much more expensive, i know that for a fact.

    Have you looked into it? Before and after we were married, we had an individual policy for my wife. It was cheaper than being on my company's insurance at the time. I changed employers and it's cheaper here now, but the insurance isn't as good as what she had.

    My point is that people think insurance doesn't exist outside of an employer, but for a relatively healthy 24 year old, you could get a high deductible plan for very little.

    show me a comprehensive healthcare policy for a relatively healthy 24 year old for very little. How much is very little?
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    If you get your access to Health Care from your employer... you are one pink slip away from losing that access.
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  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    key word, high deductible. most people don't have 5 grand sitting around to pay off a "high deductible". that is why people choose to go uninsured, because why pay for premiums when the first 5 grand comes out of your own pocket anyway?

    Her's wasn't high deductible and it was $225 per month. That was only 2 years ago.

    Most 24 year olds are in pretty good health and can get cheap insurance. They are just brainwashed into thinking their company has to provide it for them.

    If someone doesn't have $5K (or even $2500 as is the case for my deductible) "sitting around" to pay for their own health issues, then that should be their highest priority. But that's another subject.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    Cosmo wrote:
    If you get your access to Health Care from your employer... you are one pink slip away from losing that access.

    You don't get health "care" from your employer unless they are a medical institution, but that's just another example of the brainwashing.

    But I agree with your point. I actually think there's some merit to the notion that employers shouldn't even be allowed to provide health insurance. That's what's gotten us in this mess.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    edited May 2013
    Abuskedti wrote:
    know1 wrote:
    that is completely opposite of everything i have been told by people who sell insurance. they said that individual and family policies purchased outside of work plans are more expensive a lot of the time. :?

    COBRA is much more expensive, i know that for a fact.

    Have you looked into it? Before and after we were married, we had an individual policy for my wife. It was cheaper than being on my company's insurance at the time. I changed employers and it's cheaper here now, but the insurance isn't as good as what she had.

    My point is that people think insurance doesn't exist outside of an employer, but for a relatively healthy 24 year old, you could get a high deductible plan for very little.

    show me a comprehensive healthcare policy for a relatively healthy 24 year old for very little. How much is very little?

    2 years ago my wife was paying $225 per month for good insurance. It wasn't high deductible and it was from Anthem/Blue Cross. She was 30 at the time. It was comparable to the insurance that she could obtain through my employer and was about $100 cheaper per month than adding her to my coverage.

    I suspect the real issue is that people are basically incapable of paying for it on their own without it being automatically taken out of their paychecks before they get the money and paid for them.
    Post edited by know1 on
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    The bill, approved Wednesday by a vote of 65-39, declares President Obama's signature legislation "null and void." Whereas the law that Obama pushed and Congress passed is known as the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, South Carolina's law would be known as the Freedom of Health Care Protection Act.



    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/05 ... z2SEKLTGyB


    Godfather.
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,096
    Godfather. wrote:
    The bill, approved Wednesday by a vote of 65-39, declares President Obama's signature legislation "null and void." Whereas the law that Obama pushed and Congress passed is known as the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, South Carolina's law would be known as the Freedom of Health Care Protection Act.



    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/05 ... z2SEKLTGyB


    Godfather.

    Good old South Carolina. I love the southern charm from the Governor: "We will not expand Medicaid ever."
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