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ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
edited April 2013 in A Moving Train
I work in Springfield, IL and there's been a mass shooting just west of here. 5 people dead and I'm afraid to say that it seems that one of the victims was a 6 year old boy. Suspect is in custody, but enough is enough....
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    and the band played on....
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  • JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,186
    Jesus...it never ends.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    JimmyV wrote:
    Jesus...it never ends.
    nope.

    never will.

    but if someone there had a gun...

    nevermind.
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  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    Drugs? Retaliation? Mental Illness? Home Invasion Parasite?

    Cause for the killer to murder five people is ...


    won't stop til we stop the cause.
  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
    I know I've said it a million times on here, but as someone w/ a mental illness...don't sell me a gun. I know it's impossible to put together a database of everyone with one form of mental illness. The percentage of people with one form or another is well above 50% of the population.
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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    Speculation aside (sad to say I've learned as much by now) - really sorry to hear of this.
  • JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,186
    http://www.sj-r.com/breaking/x197369316 ... ols-closed
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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    ledvedderman wrote:
    I know I've said it a million times on here, but as someone w/ a mental illness...don't sell me a gun. I know it's impossible to put together a database of everyone with one form of mental illness. The percentage of people with one form or another is well above 50% of the population.
    :shh: psssssst.....I agree that mentally chanlenged people should not be premited to buy a gun but with direct supervison the shoukld be able to use a gun for sport but my real question is how many bad guys that do a crime with a gun use a gun reg. to them selfs ?

    Godfather.
  • dimitrispearljamdimitrispearljam Posts: 139,720
    i misrear the place..ufff..fuck..

    ok,im so sorry for this..i dont know..what to say..need to calm..
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  • BinFrogBinFrog MA Posts: 7,309
    ledvedderman wrote:
    I know I've said it a million times on here, but as someone w/ a mental illness...don't sell me a gun. I know it's impossible to put together a database of everyone with one form of mental illness. The percentage of people with one form or another is well above 50% of the population.


    The question is: which mental illnesses count and which do not?
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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    BinFrog wrote:
    ledvedderman wrote:
    I know I've said it a million times on here, but as someone w/ a mental illness...don't sell me a gun. I know it's impossible to put together a database of everyone with one form of mental illness. The percentage of people with one form or another is well above 50% of the population.


    The question is: which mental illnesses count and which do not?


    good question , tuff answer.

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  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
    BinFrog wrote:
    ledvedderman wrote:
    I know I've said it a million times on here, but as someone w/ a mental illness...don't sell me a gun. I know it's impossible to put together a database of everyone with one form of mental illness. The percentage of people with one form or another is well above 50% of the population.


    The question is: which mental illnesses count and which do not?


    Exactly. Do you say someone with anorexia is on the same level as someone, like myself, who suffers from bipolar disorder?
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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    ledvedderman wrote:
    BinFrog wrote:
    ledvedderman wrote:
    I know I've said it a million times on here, but as someone w/ a mental illness...don't sell me a gun. I know it's impossible to put together a database of everyone with one form of mental illness. The percentage of people with one form or another is well above 50% of the population.


    The question is: which mental illnesses count and which do not?


    Exactly. Do you say someone with anorexia is on the same level as someone, like myself, who suffers from bipolar disorder?

    you can answer that question yourself, would your disorder cause you to buy a gun and do a crime ?
    I don't know the experiances of bipolar but I would think that mixing some drugs with such a disorder could cause some to use a gun in a crime....and that falls into a whole new legalize drugs debate.

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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    The Chicago Tribune identified the victims as a grandmother, a young couple and their two young children.



    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/24/5- ... z2RP10Hpq1

    Godfather.
  • JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,186
    Godfather. wrote:
    The Chicago Tribune identified the victims as a grandmother, a young couple and their two young children.



    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/24/5- ... z2RP10Hpq1

    Godfather.

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  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    mental illness count? :?

    look what they are doing to Holmes ...
    America wants blood

    what counts is intervention to get good help available at young ages
    no one can tell me that people thought Lanza was ok, no people just look the other way

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  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/loca ... 0923.story
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    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    JimmyV wrote:
    Jesus...it never ends.
    nope.

    never will.

    but if someone there had a gun...

    nevermind.


    Not in Illinois. We are disarmed. Well unless you are a hood or a politician in Chicago.
  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
    unsung wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    JimmyV wrote:
    Jesus...it never ends.
    nope.

    never will.

    but if someone there had a gun...

    nevermind.


    Not in Illinois. We are disarmed. Well unless you are a hood or a politician in Chicago.

    We're not disarmed. What does concealed carry have to do with a home invasion like this?
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  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    We can disagree about that.

    My reply was to gimme who made the comment before details were posted.
  • the wolfthe wolf Posts: 7,027
    Godfather. wrote:
    ledvedderman wrote:
    BinFrog wrote:

    The question is: which mental illnesses count and which do not?


    Exactly. Do you say someone with anorexia is on the same level as someone, like myself, who suffers from bipolar disorder?

    you can answer that question yourself, would your disorder cause you to buy a gun and do a crime ?
    I don't know the experiances of bipolar but I would think that mixing some drugs with such a disorder could cause some to use a gun in a crime....and that falls into a whole new legalize drugs debate.

    Godfather.

    Speaking from experience, I would have to say no. When I go through one of my extreme lows, or highs when having an "episode", I'm no more prone to violence then when on an even keel.
    I can only speak for myself, but I would think someone suffereing from bipolar would have to be prone to be a violent person as is for the effects of the disorder to make them go on a shooting spree.
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  • STAYSEASTAYSEA Posts: 3,814
    This is terrible.



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  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    getting a little close. 2 1/2 hrs southeast. nice area. lots of shopping. one of the greatest hippy stores on the planet. i have several good memories of springfield. some residence are even gunfighters these days. sad stuff.
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    Where do you live?
  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    unsung wrote:
    Where do you live?
    iowa across the mississippi
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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Wolf; I was thinking people with parnoid scitzofrina disorders(no spelling jokes) or severe mentaly disabling disorders would fall into the no gun rule, my nephew (passed) was a down syndrom kid and I wouldn't have wanted him to have a gun but I think all this is pretty basic common sense stuff on who not to sell to.

    Godfather.
  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    chadwick wrote:
    unsung wrote:
    Where do you live?
    iowa across the mississippi


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  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    QC/ bettendorf is north
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  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
    Godfather. wrote:

    Honestly, yeah. It would drive me to do that. Luckily my mania has never gotten anywhere close to wanting to harm others. Now when it comes to hurting myself, yeah...I think I'd get a gun for that. I mean, the thought of "I can cut myself" or "I can take XX number of pills and I'll be gone" are thoughts I struggle with almost daily. So keep a gun the hell away from me. If there was a way of submitting your name and personal information into a database that could be checked, I would do it in a heartbeat.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    unsung wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    nope.

    never will.

    but if someone there had a gun...

    nevermind.


    Not in Illinois. We are disarmed. Well unless you are a hood or a politician in Chicago.
    and why is it that you all in IL do not have concealed carry? perhaps maybe you have the only state congress that has any balls.

    you will get it though, because the nra will purchase it for you.
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    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
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