Where's the movement?

brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,079
edited April 2013 in A Moving Train
Violence, bombs, death, guns killing people, hatred, violence toward women, violence toward children, prejudice, shootings, rape, killing, racism, torture, bigotry, sexism, hatred...

We fought against these kinds of things in the 60's and apparently all of that got us nowhere.

Where's the movement? We need to start it up again.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.













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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    brianlux wrote:
    Violence, bombs, death, guns killing people, hatred, violence toward women, violence toward children, prejudice, shootings, rape, killing, racism, torture, bigotry, sexism, hatred...

    We fought against these kinds of things in the 60's and apparently all of that got us nowhere.

    Where's the movement? We need to start it up again.
    the saddest part is most of the people in the 60s who fought against these things are retired, well off, and are republicans now. the same things they raged against back then.

    talk about becoming what you once hated.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    Do we have to wear bell bottom pants again?
  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    Will you be our leader Brian? We can't get John Lennon so...
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,079
    brianlux wrote:
    Violence, bombs, death, guns killing people, hatred, violence toward women, violence toward children, prejudice, shootings, rape, killing, racism, torture, bigotry, sexism, hatred...

    We fought against these kinds of things in the 60's and apparently all of that got us nowhere.

    Where's the movement? We need to start it up again.
    the saddest part is most of the people in the 60s who fought against these things are retired, well off, and are republicans now. the same things they raged against back then.

    talk about becoming what you once hated.

    This is true and to be honest, some of my peers are well off and insulated from reality and vote Democrat in order to deceive themselves into thinking they are progressive. So we've either become conservative republicans or reality escapist democrats. But not all of us. Some of still keep plugging away at working for peace and social and environmental justice. But where is the next wave? We need the energy of youth.
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
    Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.













  • brianlux wrote:
    Violence, bombs, death, guns killing people, hatred, violence toward women, violence toward children, prejudice, shootings, rape, killing, racism, torture, bigotry, sexism, hatred...

    We fought against these kinds of things in the 60's and apparently all of that got us nowhere.

    Where's the movement? We need to start it up again.

    Technically the movement never stopped.
    ~Carter~

    You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
    or you can come to terms and realize
    you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
    makes much more sense to live in the present tense
    - Present Tense
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    Do we have to wear bell bottom pants again?
    Thanks for the smile!

    If this is truly about change, can we leave political-party-stabbing at the door? Please?
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    hedonist wrote:
    Do we have to wear bell bottom pants again?
    Thanks for the smile!

    If this is truly about change, can we leave political-party-stabbing at the door? Please?
    who is party stabbing?
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,608
    I agree Brian we need to unite and stomp in Washington but when it comes down to it these generations are just to fucking lazy , i'd be down to march along side anytime ...
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • brianlux wrote:
    Violence, bombs, death, guns killing people, hatred, violence toward women, violence toward children, prejudice, shootings, rape, killing, racism, torture, bigotry, sexism, hatred...

    We fought against these kinds of things in the 60's and apparently all of that got us nowhere.

    Where's the movement? We need to start it up again.


    What do you mean? Young people do protest by liking things on Facebook :fp:
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  • klusterfukklusterfuk Posts: 1,411
    I agree Brian we need to unite and stomp in Washington but when it comes down to it these generations are just to fucking lazy , i'd be down to march along side anytime ...


    +1 on the fucking lazy generations.
    The future's paved with better days

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  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    Other than the civil rights movement (which was a big one), what else got accomplished by marching and protesting in the '60's?
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,608
    Other than the civil rights movement (which was a big one), what else got accomplished by marching and protesting in the '60's?

    So why do it right no point in it :oops:
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    Other than the civil rights movement (which was a big one), what else got accomplished by marching and protesting in the '60's?

    So why do it right no point in it :oops:
    Not at all. I was asking a serious question. I was born in 1978.
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    hedonist wrote:
    Do we have to wear bell bottom pants again?
    Thanks for the smile!

    If this is truly about change, can we leave political-party-stabbing at the door? Please?
    who is party stabbing?
    Was referring to your first comment but it's truly no matter. Didn't mean to distract or derail.

    Forge on, change!
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,608
    Other than the civil rights movement (which was a big one), what else got accomplished by marching and protesting in the '60's?

    So why do it right no point in it :oops:
    Not at all. I was asking a serious question. I was born in 1978.

    Marching and protesting never really brings about change but it does bring about awareness on issues and lets the gov know that people are either pissed or happy about their beliefs ...
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    What would effect politicians more?

    2,500 protesters showing up somewhere or 45,000 signatures on an online petition protesting the same subject matter?

    Again, a serious question.
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,608
    What would effect politicians more?

    2,500 protesters showing up somewhere or 45,000 signatures on an online petition protesting the same subject matter?

    Again, a serious question.

    I'm not sure but why not both it can be done ..
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,962
    Do we have to wear bell bottom pants again?
    I hope so. I like bell bottoms! They need to make a come back!
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363

    So why do it right no point in it :oops:
    Not at all. I was asking a serious question. I was born in 1978.

    Marching and protesting never really brings about change but it does bring about awareness on issues and lets the gov know that people are either pissed or happy about their beliefs ...

    Awareness is the first step to change.
  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 10,781
    In the 60s it was Americas youth that drove the movement

    Todays modern American youth are too busy...

    texting
    snapchatting
    Instagraming
    tweeting
    playing video games
    sexting :o
    binge drinking :shock:
    and watching Jersey Shore :fp:

    To get involved in anything even close to what the youth were involved in in the 60s
    :nono:
  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    In the 60s it was Americas youth that drove the movement

    Todays modern American youth are too busy...

    texting
    snapchatting
    Instagraming
    tweeting
    playing video games
    sexting :o
    binge drinking :shock:
    and watching Jersey Shore :fp:

    To get involved in anything even close to what the youth were involved in in the 60s
    :nono:

    They're really much too immature to care about anything other than themselves and their drama. The ones to get angry are us older ones.
  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    I don't disagree with you about marching and protesting. But don't call other generations lazy. There have been protests (OWS, tea party marches, etc). But I'm pretty sure if computer technology thats here today was around in the '60's, you guys may not have been marching as much.
  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    brianlux wrote:
    Violence, bombs, death, guns killing people, hatred, violence toward women, violence toward children, prejudice, shootings, rape, killing, racism, torture, bigotry, sexism, hatred...

    We fought against these kinds of things in the 60's and apparently all of that got us nowhere.

    Where's the movement? We need to start it up again.
    the saddest part is most of the people in the 60s who fought against these things are retired, well off, and are republicans now. the same things they raged against back then.

    talk about becoming what you once hated.

    So you're saying that Republicans are in favor of all the things mentioned in the OP?

    And to the OP - A movement against all of those things at once would be just too unfocused.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,962
    Jeanwah wrote:
    In the 60s it was Americas youth that drove the movement

    Todays modern American youth are too busy...

    texting
    snapchatting
    Instagraming
    tweeting
    playing video games
    sexting :o
    binge drinking :shock:
    and watching Jersey Shore :fp:

    To get involved in anything even close to what the youth were involved in in the 60s
    :nono:

    They're really much too immature to care about anything other than themselves and their drama. The ones to get angry are us older ones.
    I think you guys are generalizing way too much. There are a LOT of young people who care.
    Also, you're just sounding like every other generation sounds when they are getting old and talking about how the youth are going to hell in a hand basket. This time it's not rock and roll, but, rather, their newfangled gadgets. :lol:
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Other than the civil rights movement (which was a big one), what else got accomplished by marching and protesting in the '60's?

    the war in vietnam....the protest was so great that ending the war was a hell of a bargining chip for the presidental elections "I am not a crook" :lol:

    oh and who can forget "tune in turn on and tune out"


    Godfather.
  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    Godfather. wrote:
    Other than the civil rights movement (which was a big one), what else got accomplished by marching and protesting in the '60's?

    the war in vietnam....the protest was so great that ending the war was a hell of a bargining chip for the presidental elections "I am not a crook" :lol:

    oh and who can forget "tune in turn on and tune out"


    Godfather.

    The Vietnam war may be an argument not to waste your time protesting. How long did the war go on? It took what, 7 years of protesting? I believe it had a lower approval rating than our second war with Iraq.
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Godfather. wrote:
    Other than the civil rights movement (which was a big one), what else got accomplished by marching and protesting in the '60's?

    the war in vietnam....the protest was so great that ending the war was a hell of a bargining chip for the presidental elections "I am not a crook" :lol:

    oh and who can forget "tune in turn on and tune out"


    Godfather.

    The Vietnam war may be an argument not to waste your time protesting. How long did the war go on? It took what, 7 years of protesting? I believe it had a lower approval rating than our second war with Iraq.

    so then if we think about it,other than personal satisfaction what good has any protest done ? it seems that protester are watched and what they are protesting becomes a bargining chip and used when it is most needed not just because the people want it,seems the government will use what ever it is that a group of people want for trading and I have a feeling they never loose.
    I'm having a heck of time trying to put my thoughts to words but I hope you somewhat understand what Im trying to say.
    Godfather.
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,962
    Godfather. wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:

    the war in vietnam....the protest was so great that ending the war was a hell of a bargining chip for the presidental elections "I am not a crook" :lol:

    oh and who can forget "tune in turn on and tune out"


    Godfather.

    The Vietnam war may be an argument not to waste your time protesting. How long did the war go on? It took what, 7 years of protesting? I believe it had a lower approval rating than our second war with Iraq.

    so then if we think about it,other than personal satisfaction what good has any protest done ? it seems that protester are watched and what they are protesting becomes a bargining chip and used when it is most needed not just because the people want it,seems the government will use what ever it is that a group of people want for trading and I have a feeling they never loose.
    I'm having a heck of time trying to put my thoughts to words but I hope you somewhat understand what Im trying to say.
    Godfather.
    I know of a LOT of protests that accomplished something. Maybe not so much protests about things as huge as a massive war. But plenty of issues have been influenced by public protests, at least in Canada. I'm sure if you guys thought about it, you could think of many issues where protests helped in the US too. I hope you do, because if everyone is starting to think of protest as useless, that is a terrible sign of apathy (and apathy blamed on a falsehood).
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    I dont think protesting is useless. It's as one of our most important rights. I really don't think my generation is lazy when it comes to protesting. I think my generation does use current technology to protest instead of physically marching. That doesn't make us lazy or any less effective for that matter.
  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    Godfather. wrote:
    Other than the civil rights movement (which was a big one), what else got accomplished by marching and protesting in the '60's?

    the war in vietnam....the protest was so great that ending the war was a hell of a bargining chip for the presidental elections "I am not a crook" :lol:

    oh and who can forget "tune in turn on and tune out"


    Godfather.
    You mean "Tune in, turn on, drop out". :lol:

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.p ... drop%20out

    A term coined by Timothy Leary to describe the psychedelic experience. Leary explains it in his book Flashbacks as such

    “Turn on’ meant go within to activate your neural and genetic equipment. Become sensitive to the many and various levels of consciousness and the specific triggers that engage them. Drugs were one way to accomplish this end. ‘Tune in’ meant interact harmoniously with the world around you – externalize, materialize, express your new internal perspectives. Drop out suggested an elective, selective, graceful process of detachment from involuntary or unconscious commitments. ‘Drop Out’ meant self-reliance, a discovery of one’s singularity, a commitment to mobility, choice, and change. Unhappily my explanations of this sequence of personal development were often misinterpreted to mean ‘Get stoned and abandon all constructive activity.”
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