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kjw818kjw818 Posts: 96
edited April 2013 in The Porch
Why does the band play some songs so much faster than they used to?

1998
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjCmxkeeYks

2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hygggctNT8g
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  • ogey38ogey38 Posts: 563
    Just a guess, but maybe so they can play more songs?
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  • RedMosquito02RedMosquito02 Posts: 2,560
    kjw818 wrote:
    Why does the band play some songs so much faster than they used to?

    1998
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjCmxkeeYks

    2012
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hygggctNT8g
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  • mfc2006mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,484
    as a musician, I can tell you this much.....

    the tempo changes all the time. whether it's the mood, the vibe, the flow....whatever...

    when you play live, things tend to speed up. sometimes (very rarely), they slow down.

    it's all about energy....and it just happens.
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  • kjw818kjw818 Posts: 96
    I also think that playing songs too fast really strains Ed's voice. I think that's a big reason why he doesn't sound nearly as good as he used to.
  • TheGhostTheGhost Posts: 536
    mfc2006 wrote:
    as a musician, I can tell you this much.....

    the tempo changes all the time. whether it's the mood, the vibe, the flow....whatever...

    when you play live, things tend to speed up. sometimes (very rarely), they slow down.

    it's all about energy....and it just happens.

    I agree. I don't think it's conscious. I do think it sometimes hurts the performance. Sometimes when you've mastered something TOO well, you just start getting off on the tightness of it, rather than really feeling your way through it. (whoa, that sounds dirty). I don't think it's all Matt. Lots of times the other guys start the songs way fast. Either way, they're not interested in playing it as it was on the records.
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  • Red LukinRed Lukin Canada Posts: 2,994
    Cause faster sounds better!
  • TheGhostTheGhost Posts: 536
    Red Lukin wrote:
    Cause faster sounds better!
    it's evolution, baby. btw, is your avatar a picture of a record/sausage? Rad
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  • vant0037vant0037 Posts: 6,147
    kjw818 wrote:
    Why does the band play some songs so much faster than they used to?

    1998
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjCmxkeeYks

    2012
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hygggctNT8g

    You didn't happen to call into AET when Matt was on, did you? ;):D
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  • NHidingNHiding Posts: 1,901
    no dude, you're listening too slow :mrgreen:
  • mfc2006mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,484
    NHiding wrote:
    no dude, you're listening too slow :mrgreen:

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  • DazzlerDazzler Grimsby, UK Posts: 109
    The tempo can be too fast but it isn't just a recent thing. Berlin 96 has many examples of performances that are played much faster than the norm.

    BUT, I agree that Given To Fly is much faster than ever which takes its toll on Eddie's voice, breathing and control.
    Other songs played way too fast, which loses the overall vibe and groove of the song are State of Love and Trust, RVM, Unthought Known and Even Flow. When you are at the shows, you don't notice as much, but as we're so spoilt with so many bootlegs, we can hear just how fast, rushed and strained these songs have become.
  • Foriginal SinForiginal Sin Scottsdale, AZ Posts: 1,826
    Unthought Known is definitely played too fast live. However, DTE and Grievance are just two that sound MUCH better live than on studio versions, way too slow in studio
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  • foriginalsinforiginalsin Posts: 713
    mfc2006 wrote:
    as a musician, I can tell you this much.....

    the tempo changes all the time. whether it's the mood, the vibe, the flow....whatever...

    when you play live, things tend to speed up. sometimes (very rarely), they slow down.

    it's all about energy....and it just happens.

    exactly.
  • NHidingNHiding Posts: 1,901
    I certainly can't speak for any band members, but I know if I was one of 'em, and posed with this question/topic, my answer would be to quote that Jefferson Starship song 'Stairway To Cleveland'....which goes..."fuck you, we do what we want!" :mrgreen::mrgreen:
  • dimitrispearljamdimitrispearljam Posts: 139,721
    NHiding wrote:
    I certainly can't speak for any band members, but I know if I was one of 'em, and posed with this question/topic, my answer would be to quote that Jefferson Starship song 'Stairway To Cleveland'....which goes..."fuck you, we do what we want!" :mrgreen::mrgreen:
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    Red Lukin wrote:
    Cause faster sounds better!
    hehe
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  • PH20PH20 Posts: 466
    For my taste...Porch is played a little to fast.

    But, that's just me. Other people may like it.
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,871
    NHiding wrote:
    I certainly can't speak for any band members, but I know if I was one of 'em, and posed with this question/topic, my answer would be to quote that Jefferson Starship song 'Stairway To Cleveland'....which goes..."fuck you, we do what we want!" :mrgreen::mrgreen:
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  • DH62179DH62179 Posts: 312
    Severed hand is way too fast live for my liking.
  • TBibbyTBibby Posts: 393
    mfc2006 wrote:
    the tempo changes all the time. whether it's the mood, the vibe, the flow....whatever...

    when you play live, things tend to speed up. sometimes (very rarely), they slow down.

    it's all about energy....and it just happens.

    This.

    about the matt cameron comment, i agree in some extent, but Given to fly starts of with Mike, so if he starts too fast, it ain't the drummers fault :lol:
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    I blame Ticketmaster.

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  • nevmilesnevmiles Ottawa, ON Posts: 1,363
    kjw818 wrote:
    Why does the band play some songs so much faster than they used to?

    Same goes for this, right?:

    1998:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MYMNTPG-l4

    2013:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zChpa5KrrpI

    It's just gotten faster & faster over the years . . not that I mind, but some songs do need to slow down a bit IMO. Some, like above, may work better with the tempo increased a bit...
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  • Abe FromanAbe Froman Posts: 5,319
    NHiding wrote:
    I certainly can't speak for any band members, but I know if I was one of 'em, and posed with this question/topic, my answer would be to quote that Jefferson Starship song 'Stairway To Cleveland'....which goes..."fuck you, we do what we want!" :mrgreen::mrgreen:
    :thumbup:
  • Abe FromanAbe Froman Posts: 5,319
    mfc2006 wrote:
    as a musician, I can tell you this much.....

    the tempo changes all the time. whether it's the mood, the vibe, the flow....whatever...

    when you play live, things tend to speed up. sometimes (very rarely), they slow down.

    it's all about energy....and it just happens.
    So true.


    And I like faster!
  • mydogmookieblaylockmydogmookieblaylock Posts: 2,996
    kjw818 wrote:
    I also think that playing songs too fast really strains Ed's voice. I think that's a big reason why he doesn't sound nearly as good as he used to.
    has nothing to do with the cigarettes or the fact that every one sounds worse as they get older ..... except Eric Clapton maybe.
  • NHidingNHiding Posts: 1,901
    by Spiritual_Chaos » Apr 18th, '13, 04:44

    NHiding wrote:
    I certainly can't speak for any band members, but I know if I was one of 'em, and posed with this question/topic, my answer would be to quote that Jefferson Starship song 'Stairway To Cleveland'....which goes..."fuck you, we do what we want!"

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    It's not about kissing their ass on both cheeks, I just find the entire argument stupid. They play how they play. If they wanna slow something down like they did Jeremy in '95, they will.
  • mydogmookieblaylockmydogmookieblaylock Posts: 2,996
    NHiding wrote:
    by Spiritual_Chaos » Apr 18th, '13, 04:44

    NHiding wrote:
    I certainly can't speak for any band members, but I know if I was one of 'em, and posed with this question/topic, my answer would be to quote that Jefferson Starship song 'Stairway To Cleveland'....which goes..."fuck you, we do what we want!"

    http://i.qkme.me/dmf.jpg


    I just find the entire argument stupid
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  • cmm6734cmm6734 Houston, TX Posts: 569
    I think they do it to change it up. They have been playing some of these songs for over 20 years. I can't stand Evenflow now, it is WAY too fast and sloppy. They need to slow it back down, like the old days.
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  • rearviewrossrearviewross Posts: 3,055
    mfc2006 wrote:
    as a musician, I can tell you this much.....

    the tempo changes all the time. whether it's the mood, the vibe, the flow....whatever...

    when you play live, things tend to speed up. sometimes (very rarely), they slow down.

    it's all about energy....and it just happens.

    Completely agree with this. It just happens when you play live. You have nerves, adrenaline you feed off each other. It doesn't necessarily fall on the drummer. It is basically up to whoever starts the song to set the temp. I like the tempo up for live shows. It gives the songs more energy. The only real downside is it makes it a lot more difficult for the singer to breathe. So it can hurt the vocals sometimes.
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    It's all Stone's fault! :D
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