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dimitrispearljam

i read alot this in the forum..
can someone explain me what you guys mean at usa when you say left?
left party?,left wing?

here in Greece and Europe left are all the communist kinda system -politics -supporters ,party.....

is there this such thing at usa??cos i think no matter which goverment you having,,capitalism is the system,right?

would like to understand whats the meaning....thanks

lukin2006

Left-Right Politics

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left–right_politics

Maybe this will help. I myself don't like labels.

SPEEDY MCCREADY

dimitrispearljam wrote:

i read alot this in the forum..

Why?

dimitrispearljam

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

i read alot this in the forum..

Why?

dimitrispearljam

lukin2006 wrote:

Left-Right Politics

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left–right_politics

Maybe this will help. I myself don't like labels.

i agree..i dont get the label thing myself..and i find myself to have ideas and believes from different parties ideology..so i dont feel i belong to a specific side or party..
thanks,i ll read this..something tells me,probably means a socialism type of idiology ,the one we call here,center-left party
thanks

STAYSEA

dimitrispearljam wrote:

i read alot this in the forum..
can someone explain me what you guys mean at usa when you say left?
left party?,left wing?

here in Greece and Europe left are all the communist kinda system -politics -supporters ,party.....

is there this such thing at usa??cos i think no matter which goverment you having,,capitalism is the system,right?

would like to understand whats the meaning....thanks

Either way it's wacky. I'm not a person that should answer. I'm sorry

Digital Twilight

Its just labels that the media throw around to keep people occupied and divided instead of looking to see who the real villians are. You have to be either one or the other, no middle ground. A broken 2 party system where both groups will only work to keep their investors rich and the working class squeezed and helpless. So much time is wasted 'debating' who is the best party or candidate like an internet version of 'my dick is bigger than your dick' but the reality is they are both similar in the big picture. Its the same in the UK really. Same old 2 parties taking turns to fuck shit up for everyone else but the majority would rather cling on to the sinking ship than take a chance and swim to shore.

unsung

dimitrispearljam wrote:

left are all the communist kinda system -politics -supporters ,party.....

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Thirty Bills Unpaid

STAYSEA wrote:

The Democratic Party has a huge socialist agenda... and it's getting ugly. That is not what the country's founders intended, it's why they left their original countries.

The truth is no one really cares any more. I see anarchy in a few years.

A huge socialist agenda is a little bit of an exaggeration. Sorry... regardless of the cases of abuse that are going to occur... taking care of people when they are hurt, educating the youth, and providing assistance when hard times hit cannot be viewed as a bad thing.

Are you totally sure the country's founders didn't have this in mind?

I look at the big, huge chunk of tax taken off my cheque every two weeks and think to myself. "Boy. I'd sure to like to have that money too!" But, then I think to myself, "I've got it pretty good. I live in a great country. I don't want to see any of the services we provide people change in any way. If a portion of my money goes towards helping someone that needs help then great!"

A little while back in the winter... it was really cold. I'll make a long story short: my son and I were out and I pulled over my vehicle and gave this 22-23 year old homeless guy walking the sidewalk with a big blanket some cash. My son asked me why I did this to which I replied, "That guy was a little guy once too. He's got a mom and dad that likely love him. He's made some poor choices, but that's irrelevant right now. I can only hope that if you were ever in such a spot... someone would look to reach out to you and provide a little compassion and help instead of sneering at you."

I haven't missed that $10 just like I don't miss the portion of my salary that the government takes. I know there are cases of abuse, but I don't think about those near the amount I think of the good that is occurring.

I dare you to take away all those social programs you bemoan. You think you got problems now?

JimmyV

People throw left and right, liberal and conservative, Democrat and Republican at each other like slurs.

dimitrispearljam

Digital Twilight wrote:

Its just labels that the media throw around to keep people occupied and divided instead of looking to see who the real villians are. You have to be either one or the other, no middle ground. A broken 2 party system where both groups will only work to keep their investors rich and the working class squeezed and helpless. So much time is wasted 'debating' who is the best party or candidate like an internet version of 'my dick is bigger than your dick' but the reality is they are both similar in the big picture. Its the same in the UK really. Same old 2 parties taking turns to fuck shit up for everyone else but the majority would rather cling on to the sinking ship than take a chance and swim to shore.

yeah..alot of people here think this..its a broken 2 party almost "same" system.

dimitrispearljam

JimmyV wrote:

People throw left and right, liberal and conservative, Democrat and Republican at each other like slurs.

yeah..seems that way

polaris_x

left basically means socialist
right basically means non-socialist



in the US ... the left is basically the right in most progressive countries ... ultimately, left and right only makes sense when you know what the centre is ... in general the centre in the US is more right than the centre of countries like Germany, France, the UK, and Canada and even more right of countries in Scandinavia ...

brianlux

Generally, Dimitri, I see the left as being more socially and environmentally focused and the right as being more economically focused. Generally, the left says that collectively taking care of people and the environment will keep the world going and the right says that making money will keep the world going. So I think left thinking- though not perfect- is preferable.

But before any of you roast me for saying these things, I will quote what Edward Abbey once said:

"I would never betray a friend to serve a cause. Never reject a friend to serve an institution. Great nations may fall in ruin before I would sell a friend to save them."

Some of my friends (both here at home and here on the forum) lean to the right/are Republican. I will not sell you.

Bentleyspop

STAYSEA wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

i read alot this in the forum..
can someone explain me what you guys mean at usa when you say left?
left party?,left wing?

here in Greece and Europe left are all the communist kinda system -politics -supporters ,party.....

is there this such thing at usa??cos i think no matter which goverment you having,,capitalism is the system,right?

would like to understand whats the meaning....thanks

Left people are colored Blue and call themselves Democrats. (the mascot is a donkey)

Right people are colored Red and call themselves Republicans. (the mascot is an elephant)

Both parties have final say in anything political. Abraham Lincoln was a Republican.

American politics are not worth your time Dimitri . Communists are not welcome or favored here. The Democratic Party has a huge socialist agenda... and it's getting ugly. That is not what the country's founders intended, it's why they left their original countries.

The truth is no one really cares any more. I see anarchy in a few years.

I might move to France or Texas will decide to be a separate country.

Either way it's wacky.

This is the actual mascot for the Republicans....

dimitrispearljam

polaris_x wrote:

left basically means socialist
right basically means non-socialist



in the US ... the left is basically the right in most progressive countries ... ultimately, left and right only makes sense when you know what the centre is ... in general the centre in the US is more right than the centre of countries like Germany, France, the UK, and Canada and even more right of countries in Scandinavia ...

got it..
cos here left are the comminist parties,
socialism is center-left,
capitalism the right parties..and center right parties..
and we have 2 edges..rightmost and lefttmost...like nazi kinda party and anarchy kinda of party.and i agree..makes sense when you know what the centre is ...

gimmesometruth27

this is where everyone is wrong. the democratic party is pretty much the same as the centrist parties in other countries. the republicans are to the right of most right wing parties in other countries.

this country is progressing. social security, medicare, the new deal, etc were all ideas from the left. the right wants to significantly cut or do away with these programs that people depend on.

anybody equating obamacare to socialism or stating that the us is headed for communism and fascism has no idea what the definitions of these terms are. and that is the embarrassing part. that so many people in this country would not know socialism, fascism, or communism if it bit them in the ass.

mysticweed

what's funny is that republicans used to be the good guys
lincoln was a republican and the democrats did not want to abolish slavery

i'm slightly left of center
i used to be a republican right up 'til the first read my lips while i lie to your face bush
now i'm a democrat and not thrilled with them right now either

hedonist

JimmyV wrote:

People throw left and right, liberal and conservative, Democrat and Republican at each other like slurs.

Yeah - happens here in this forum, and out there too.

It's ugly and it's unnecessary - childlike, even.

I'm of neither party but still find some people treat me differently because I'm...oh, let's say...for fiscal responsibilty and personal accountability, from the lowly-me level to that of the government. No matter that I'm more liberal on the social side.

(which is much of why labels blow, big-time)

polaris_x

mysticweed wrote:

what's funny is that republicans used to be the good guys
lincoln was a republican and the democrats did not want to abolish slavery

i'm slightly left of center
i used to be a republican right up 'til the first read my lips while i lie to your face bush
now i'm a democrat and not thrilled with them right now either

are you a democrat because:

1. it's the other party that isn't republican?
2. the lesser of two evils?
3. because you like what they stand for (pretty sure you eliminated this one)

i ask because - it boggles my mind that one would choose either of these parties to represent them

Digital Twilight

brianlux wrote:

Generally, Dimitri, I see the left as being more socially and environmentally focused and the right as being more economically focused. Generally, the left says that collectively taking care of people and the environment will keep the world going and the right says that making money will keep the world going. So I think left thinking- though not perfect- is preferable.

In general I agree.

So much more to life than making money for other people. Our rampant consumerism and exploitation of resources is crippling our future if we don't look to change things. The financial crisis is as big as an indicator as you're likely to get but rather than change anything everyone just did their best to put the house of cards back to how it was. The culprits went unpunished and now the majority have to contend with a lost decade of austerity when they did nothing wrong.

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

this country is progressing. social security, medicare, the new deal, etc were all ideas from the left. the right wants to significantly cut or do away with these programs that people depend on.

Its the same in the UK too. Things like The National Health Service and minimum wage came from left parties while the right denounced them. The conservatives in power now are doing all they can to roll these services back. Wealth, health and opportunities are only for the very few in their eyes. However in the UK 'left' and 'right' aren't terms really used anymore, especially as a form of segregation or a category you have to fit into, although the Daily Mail is trying to bring it back :roll: