Boston Marathon - explosion

vant0037

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

Van...

Work has gotten in the way of my MT time. I have been waiting to respond to this post. Firstly, this is a well-articulated postion. I understand exactly what you are saying and there is much wisdom in what you have offered. I do wish to speak to two points you made where I tend to think differently. Remember I am Canadian and there are legal differences between the US and Canada.

It's been suggested that vengeance is the justice that people are seeking in this case. I think there's an enormous body of legal theory, philosophy and psychology supporting the idea that vengeance is smallest and perhaps least important part of "justice."

Least significant part of justice for whom? I am of the opinion that justice should serve those who have been traumatized more than it should meet the needs of legal pundits. In most cases... this means the survivors and the victims. I can guarantee you that those with dead children and those maimed and mutilated in Boston are not thinking along the same philosophical lines as you. Given what I have stated here... these people, myself and others would argue that vengeance is not quite as trivial as you make it out to be.

Our justice system, as in many civil societies, is theoretically and largely based on restoration of order, not retribution.

Again... restoration of order for whom? While everyone not directly affected by the recurring tragedies we are inundated with tend to move on a little quicker towards order... the survivors live the rest of their lives looking at pictures of their deceased. Worse yet... they are often reminded of the crimes that altered their existence by allowing the legal process to play out. Using an example I refer to often, 'normalcy' is not the case for the survivors of David Shearing's heinous act. David murdered a family of six in a neighbouring rural community (kidnapping the two young daughters and raping them repeatedly before finishing them off). He is now eligible for parole every two years, forcing the survivors to show up at parole hearings with the petitions they have organized to keep the monster from gaining re-entry to society. Parole is legitimately feared a reality for this man because the legal system provides for the opportunity. Further... DB is married since he was imprisoned and his wife and other bleeding hearts insist he is a changed man.

So, in summary, I would like to suggest that the processes you speak of are fine in theory... but impractical at times and in my opinion fall short at times of serving justice in the manner that some seek and deserve. While we can feel good about the legal mechanisms we have in place to ensure fairness to those accused and convicted... we must admit that these same systems fail at times leaving much to be desired.

It's a scary proposition to argue that justice should be based largely on what the victim desires to see happen. Yes, it's an important part of the equation (in Minnesota, victim's are entitled to input, but prosecutors are not obligated to follow their wishes). But it's not and can't be the biggest part of our decision-making. Trust me: I see husband-wife domestic assaults on a day-to-day basis where the husband thinks he should've hit her harder and the wife wants to cut his balls off. How could impartial and uniform justice ever been dispensed if the sentencing was victim-driven?

To clarify, I wasn't making a prescriptive claim about the U.S.'s criminal justice system (i.e. not arguing how it should be), but rather arguing how I see it actually operating. Criminal justice is, and should be, less about vengeance and more about punishment and deterrence. I'm not going to rehash why I believe that to be the case (and the correct one, at that).

81

peacefrompaul wrote:

81 wrote:

if you get bored....

https://twitter.com/xXjungaXx

Is that the white hat's friend?

correct

white hat's twitter

https://twitter.com/J_tsar


i've checked out a few of the people he was following....this guy was the first i saw that was interesting....but others have tweeted about getting hate tweets

crazy how the internet works.

mickeyrat

dimitrispearljam wrote:

Jason P wrote:

I say we hand over the kid to the Soviets and let them give due process via their most effective methods.

even the president there can go on public and say"we dont give about his rights,we will take the info we want,have a good night.."

and the reporters,will be 500 miles from the crime scene..

fucking shame then that this kid is a naturalized AMERICAN citizen.

Heres the thing. they are treating/charging him as a criminal , nothing more. This way the religous reasoning behind it isnt the reason for prosecution. Doesnt matter anyway, people believe what they want.

dimitrispearljam

mickeyrat wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

Jason P wrote:

I say we hand over the kid to the Soviets and let them give due process via their most effective methods.

even the president there can go on public and say"we dont give about his rights,we will take the info we want,have a good night.."

and the reporters,will be 500 miles from the crime scene..

fucking shame then that this kid is a naturalized AMERICAN citizen.

Heres the thing. they are treating/charging him as a criminal , nothing more. This way the religous reasoning behind it isnt the reason for prosecution. Doesnt matter anyway, people believe what they want.

yep..people believe ands say whatever they want..

chadwick

JimmyV wrote:

Since these guys were vilified yesterday, here is the National Guard at work in Watertown:

http://youtu.be/utqzThm0WSY

rock on!

chadwick

dimitrispearljam wrote:

Jason P wrote:

I say we hand over the kid to the Soviets and let them give due process via their most effective methods.

even the president there can go on public and say"we dont give about his rights,we will take the info we want,have a good night.."

and the reporters,will be 500 miles from the crime scene..

fact

rearviewross

chadwick wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

Jason P wrote:

I say we hand over the kid to the Soviets and let them give due process via their most effective methods.

even the president there can go on public and say"we dont give about his rights,we will take the info we want,have a good night.."

and the reporters,will be 500 miles from the crime scene..

fact

How is that a good thing? You think we want to be like Russia?

Jason P

rearviewross wrote:

How is that a good thing? You think we want to be like Russia?

I'm not saying we should be throwing reporters out of windows ... well at least not past the third story ... fourth if you work for TMZ, but maybe a little shake up would do some good.

norm

Jason P wrote:

rearviewross wrote:

How is that a good thing? You think we want to be like Russia?

I'm not saying we should be throwing reporters out of windows ... well at least not past the third story ... fourth if you work for TMZ, but maybe a little shake up would do some good.

is this russia? this isn't russia

rearviewross

norm wrote:

Jason P wrote:

rearviewross wrote:

How is that a good thing? You think we want to be like Russia?

I'm not saying we should be throwing reporters out of windows ... well at least not past the third story ... fourth if you work for TMZ, but maybe a little shake up would do some good.

is this russia? this isn't russia

Do you take drugs, Danny?

Every day.

Good. So, whats the problem?

mydogmookieblaylock

81 wrote:

if you get bored....

https://twitter.com/xXjungaXx

in sticking with 81's theme
http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/04/pictures-that-prove-double-amputee-was-an-actor-at-boston-bombings-2626684.html

Jason P

mydogmookieblaylock wrote:

81 wrote:

if you get bored....

https://twitter.com/xXjungaXx

in sticking with 81's theme
http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/04/pictures-that-prove-double-amputee-was-an-actor-at-boston-bombings-2626684.html

Hmmm ... I just got a little bit more serious about letting the Russians go to work on white hat guy. With a blow torch.

:(

PJ_Soul

Guy interviewed about bombing forgot to hide something.

rearviewross

PJ_Soul wrote:

Guy interviewed about bombing forgot to hide something.

Good luck explaining that to Mom and Dad.

dimitrispearljam

PJ_Soul wrote:

Guy interviewed about bombing forgot to hide something.

PJ_Soul

dimitrispearljam wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

Guy interviewed about bombing forgot to hide something.

Hey, when you guys quote the image, the dildo disappears. This guy would love the 10C forum.

dimitrispearljam

PJ_Soul wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

Guy interviewed about bombing forgot to hide something.

Hey, when you guys quote the image, the dildo disappears. This guy would love the 10C forum.

where i post it 3 min ago.....well,cant be dissapeared...

BinauralJam

Where'd it Go? :crazy:

PillowPants

mydogmookieblaylock wrote:

81 wrote:

if you get bored....

https://twitter.com/xXjungaXx

in sticking with 81's theme
http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/04/pictures-that-prove-double-amputee-was-an-actor-at-boston-bombings-2626684.html

only problem is a jammer knows this guy - and he had legs before the marathon

Last-12-Exit

PJ_Soul wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

Guy interviewed about bombing forgot to hide something.

Hey, when you guys quote the image, the dildo disappears. This guy would love the 10C forum.

Must be a false flag situation!